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The Apple iPhone uses an odd 1.5:1 aspect ratio that's 15 percent narrower than the standard 1.78:1 HDTV aspect ratio.

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to CNET: wtf?
by firstkipchak January 16, 2007 12:25 PM PST
it seems that cnet loves bashing apple products before they come out, but then goes and names em the best of the year (imac was best desktop of 06,woot). I saw an article a couple of weeks about how the iphone was doomed, before the thing even freaking existed. comeon. It is FAR to early to make any predictions about their success. also a good way to test finger grime: move your finger over a regular ipod screen.
it works pretty good. Also i read (on cnet) about how the imac didn't have as many graphic options. true, but only for the lowest end model, which is 100 dollars less than before, and is now dual core. It just seems that theres alot of articles like this.
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If CNET...
by whizkid454 January 16, 2007 2:09 PM PST
named the iMac desktop of the year, then how are they bashing Apple products when the desktop is top rated by CNET? You are just proving yourself wrong....
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You need to get a life
by make_or_break January 16, 2007 5:10 PM PST
Say ANYTHING hinting on the negative about an Apple product, it's automatically Apple-bashing. The one factor YOU neglect to point out in your whiny rebuttal is that the information in CNET's post is patently false. Why?

Because the information that CNET reported is, for the most part, patently [i]true[/i]. The screen as shown [b]IS[/b] 1.5:1. Hard to get around that fact, isn't it?

The thing one can nit about is CNET claim that the aspect ratio is inherently proprietary. For the aspect ratio being 'proprietary'...well, that's only true if Apple is the ONLY one who chooses to use the 1.5:1 ratio. Considering that it's Apple we're talking about, I suspect content providers will FLOCK to provide media at 1.5:1 when the iPhone goes live. It can be said that 1.5:1 is certainly [i]non-standard[/i] with what's in place now, but with Apple's star power (plus, who knows what the 6G iPod will bring to the table?), a non-conforming (to current standards) screen ratio will likely not be an odd duck for very long.
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to CNET: wtf?
by firstkipchak January 16, 2007 12:25 PM PST
it seems that cnet loves bashing apple products before they come out, but then goes and names em the best of the year (imac was best desktop of 06,woot). I saw an article a couple of weeks about how the iphone was doomed, before the thing even freaking existed. comeon. It is FAR to early to make any predictions about their success. also a good way to test finger grime: move your finger over a regular ipod screen.
it works pretty good. Also i read (on cnet) about how the imac didn't have as many graphic options. true, but only for the lowest end model, which is 100 dollars less than before, and is now dual core. It just seems that theres alot of articles like this.
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If CNET...
by whizkid454 January 16, 2007 2:09 PM PST
named the iMac desktop of the year, then how are they bashing Apple products when the desktop is top rated by CNET? You are just proving yourself wrong....
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You need to get a life
by make_or_break January 16, 2007 5:10 PM PST
Say ANYTHING hinting on the negative about an Apple product, it's automatically Apple-bashing. The one factor YOU neglect to point out in your whiny rebuttal is that the information in CNET's post is patently false. Why?

Because the information that CNET reported is, for the most part, patently [i]true[/i]. The screen as shown [b]IS[/b] 1.5:1. Hard to get around that fact, isn't it?

The thing one can nit about is CNET claim that the aspect ratio is inherently proprietary. For the aspect ratio being 'proprietary'...well, that's only true if Apple is the ONLY one who chooses to use the 1.5:1 ratio. Considering that it's Apple we're talking about, I suspect content providers will FLOCK to provide media at 1.5:1 when the iPhone goes live. It can be said that 1.5:1 is certainly [i]non-standard[/i] with what's in place now, but with Apple's star power (plus, who knows what the 6G iPod will bring to the table?), a non-conforming (to current standards) screen ratio will likely not be an odd duck for very long.
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CRAVE IS PAID BY NOKIA, SONY, MOTOROLA CARTEL !!!!
by sors13 January 16, 2007 1:03 PM PST
Honestly, CNET and CRAVE have not had one objective statement, what crap, very disappointed by you.
The opinion of the people was more lobbying than anything else, your article the same,
what motivate you to make such comment, you get paid in ZUNE dollars, or RZR dollars,
piece of crap that's what it is, you did better in a past at judging objectively
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CRAVE IS PAID BY NOKIA, SONY, MOTOROLA CARTEL !!!!
by sors13 January 16, 2007 1:03 PM PST
Honestly, CNET and CRAVE have not had one objective statement, what crap, very disappointed by you.
The opinion of the people was more lobbying than anything else, your article the same,
what motivate you to make such comment, you get paid in ZUNE dollars, or RZR dollars,
piece of crap that's what it is, you did better in a past at judging objectively
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Good Info.
by fixwhatsbroke January 16, 2007 1:07 PM PST
This is disappointing to hear. Just as was the new "pumped up from
320x240" iTunes movies being only 640x480 resolution.

Top-of-line wannabe needs to be meeting top-of-the-line expectations. Not
living up to the common sense of the very basic standard of 16:9 is baffling -
and a good insight to that reality distortion field we've all heard about (but
admittedly can enjoy getting charged up by).

The key is to make the style work with the standard. A longer palmtop isn't
gonna sway me away. Scratching my head on this one. Price?

Truth be told, I'm more disappointed it's only gonna be available for one
carrier for awhile - and that that main menu is already too busy - being
overloadingly familiar just like all the other contenders out there.
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Good Info.
by fixwhatsbroke January 16, 2007 1:07 PM PST
This is disappointing to hear. Just as was the new "pumped up from
320x240" iTunes movies being only 640x480 resolution.

Top-of-line wannabe needs to be meeting top-of-the-line expectations. Not
living up to the common sense of the very basic standard of 16:9 is baffling -
and a good insight to that reality distortion field we've all heard about (but
admittedly can enjoy getting charged up by).

The key is to make the style work with the standard. A longer palmtop isn't
gonna sway me away. Scratching my head on this one. Price?

Truth be told, I'm more disappointed it's only gonna be available for one
carrier for awhile - and that that main menu is already too busy - being
overloadingly familiar just like all the other contenders out there.
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whats up cnet?
by SDogg554 January 16, 2007 1:23 PM PST
whats up with all the negativity against the iphone? is this some kind of jealousy that no other company makes such an extremely high-tech product?
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whats up cnet?
by SDogg554 January 16, 2007 1:23 PM PST
whats up with all the negativity against the iphone? is this some kind of jealousy that no other company makes such an extremely high-tech product?
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What's new Apple fanboys???
by whizkid454 January 16, 2007 2:06 PM PST
You all must be nervous or something that CNET posting these articles will hinder people from buying the phone... I hope you realize that you fanboys have a pre-determined notion that all Apple products are good. They won't sway you people away even if they say 100 negative things... If someone says something negative about an Apple product, it's actually a negative. It doesn't do any good to try and hide it from the public. What's wrong with the truth? Fanboys: Nuttin. So why you complaining? Fanboys: Just feel like putting my words in to try to balance out an article's "true" negative comments.
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You're missing the point
by edwinfirmage January 16, 2007 6:09 PM PST
The point everyone is trying to get across here is that the article immediately
takes on a bias against the iPod for something that was officially addressed, and
is in no way plausibly corrected. This isn't "actually a negative" because it's not a
negative at all. It's the practicality of a device that touts, but is not solely about
mobile video.
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No u idiot
by AlanHub January 16, 2007 9:33 PM PST
OK i am far from an apple fanboy i mean im just a teenager who has an ipod like
everyone else. But this article was bull, i mean who the HELL CARES THAT THE
SCREEN IS A LITTLE BIT LESS WIDE than the ones on itunes??!??!? WHY DOES THAT
EVEN MATTER!?!?!?! ITS A PHONE THAT HAS WIDESCREEN better than any phone
or music device out there. IS this even news!?!?! GOsh this is just like the bs
articles made when the wii suddenly started killing some skin cells and hands.
What's new Apple fanboys???
by whizkid454 January 16, 2007 2:06 PM PST
You all must be nervous or something that CNET posting these articles will hinder people from buying the phone... I hope you realize that you fanboys have a pre-determined notion that all Apple products are good. They won't sway you people away even if they say 100 negative things... If someone says something negative about an Apple product, it's actually a negative. It doesn't do any good to try and hide it from the public. What's wrong with the truth? Fanboys: Nuttin. So why you complaining? Fanboys: Just feel like putting my words in to try to balance out an article's "true" negative comments.
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You're missing the point
by edwinfirmage January 16, 2007 6:09 PM PST
The point everyone is trying to get across here is that the article immediately
takes on a bias against the iPod for something that was officially addressed, and
is in no way plausibly corrected. This isn't "actually a negative" because it's not a
negative at all. It's the practicality of a device that touts, but is not solely about
mobile video.
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No u idiot
by AlanHub January 16, 2007 9:33 PM PST
OK i am far from an apple fanboy i mean im just a teenager who has an ipod like
everyone else. But this article was bull, i mean who the HELL CARES THAT THE
SCREEN IS A LITTLE BIT LESS WIDE than the ones on itunes??!??!? WHY DOES THAT
EVEN MATTER!?!?!?! ITS A PHONE THAT HAS WIDESCREEN better than any phone
or music device out there. IS this even news!?!?! GOsh this is just like the bs
articles made when the wii suddenly started killing some skin cells and hands.
Apple Bashing
by lco January 16, 2007 2:25 PM PST
Unless you have the facts, it's called 'Hearsay'.

When it comes to Apple, CNET and it's programs definitely have a bias against
Apple. Witness several reviews by ex editors and current and you'll see for
yourself. Such flagrant bias says more about the character of the reporter and
the website.

Cnet want to build that kind of reputation let them, it will be there demise.
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Are kidding? silly fanboy. cnet loves apple...
by robstak January 16, 2007 2:56 PM PST
the product must REALLY sucks if even apple-friendly cnet is bashing it on such a regular basis... oh wait it does suck. DEAL! :P
Apple Bashing
by lco January 16, 2007 2:25 PM PST
Unless you have the facts, it's called 'Hearsay'.

When it comes to Apple, CNET and it's programs definitely have a bias against
Apple. Witness several reviews by ex editors and current and you'll see for
yourself. Such flagrant bias says more about the character of the reporter and
the website.

Cnet want to build that kind of reputation let them, it will be there demise.
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Are kidding? silly fanboy. cnet loves apple...
by robstak January 16, 2007 2:56 PM PST
the product must REALLY sucks if even apple-friendly cnet is bashing it on such a regular basis... oh wait it does suck. DEAL! :P
Proprietary? LOL
by u2mr2os2 January 16, 2007 3:03 PM PST
How is an aspect ratio proprietary? Gee, I guess Palm ought to sue Apple for using their same screen resolution they have on some models that are 480x320. Listen, 16:9 is not the definition of widescreen, it is merely a convention. Look at the aspect ratio of many films, and you will find there are several different ones, often wider than 16:9. Now print out a picture of the iPhone to scale (given on http://www.apple.com/iphone/technology/specs.html), measure the screen of the printout, and you find the aspect is 1.5:1. Since 480:320 is 1.5:1, then we can conclude that the iPhone does indeed have square pixels. Also note that there is no way, even with rectangular pixel mumbo jumbo, that a screen that is physically 1.5:1 is ever going to somehow display 16:9 content with no bars, zooming or stretching. Just like your 16:9 widescreen TV can never play back all those movies that are less than or greater than 16:9 aspect without compromise. Also note that 480x320 is (240+240)x320, so it has exactly twice the pixels of a regular iPod don't ya know.
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Proprietary? LOL
by u2mr2os2 January 16, 2007 3:03 PM PST
How is an aspect ratio proprietary? Gee, I guess Palm ought to sue Apple for using their same screen resolution they have on some models that are 480x320. Listen, 16:9 is not the definition of widescreen, it is merely a convention. Look at the aspect ratio of many films, and you will find there are several different ones, often wider than 16:9. Now print out a picture of the iPhone to scale (given on http://www.apple.com/iphone/technology/specs.html), measure the screen of the printout, and you find the aspect is 1.5:1. Since 480:320 is 1.5:1, then we can conclude that the iPhone does indeed have square pixels. Also note that there is no way, even with rectangular pixel mumbo jumbo, that a screen that is physically 1.5:1 is ever going to somehow display 16:9 content with no bars, zooming or stretching. Just like your 16:9 widescreen TV can never play back all those movies that are less than or greater than 16:9 aspect without compromise. Also note that 480x320 is (240+240)x320, so it has exactly twice the pixels of a regular iPod don't ya know.
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1:5:1 Aspect Ratio is by design!
by davespreefelt January 16, 2007 3:22 PM PST
What's 1.33 plus 1.78 divided by two? It's 1.55.

The 1:5:1 aspect ratio is obviously by design. In order to provide the best experience for both standard aspect and wide-screen videos, somebody at Apple split the difference between 4:3 and 16:9 aspect ratios.

I suggest that Crave/CNET editors do the same kinda math and revise this article reviewing the aspect ratio's strengths along with the described weaknesses.
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1:5:1 Aspect Ratio is by design!
by davespreefelt January 16, 2007 3:22 PM PST
What's 1.33 plus 1.78 divided by two? It's 1.55.

The 1:5:1 aspect ratio is obviously by design. In order to provide the best experience for both standard aspect and wide-screen videos, somebody at Apple split the difference between 4:3 and 16:9 aspect ratios.

I suggest that Crave/CNET editors do the same kinda math and revise this article reviewing the aspect ratio's strengths along with the described weaknesses.
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Phone Bashing? Hating?
by GreyClaw January 16, 2007 4:51 PM PST
Trying to blow through some the hype is hating on the thing?

Have any of you touched it?
Held it?
..tested if it's comfortable to you?

..if the features that you salivating over are as intuitive? ...or work the same way that Jobs' special super-duper demo version with the extra "no fail and make me look like an idiot up here on-stage" tech inside it?

I didn't think so.

Ad 101: Nothing can move a product like customers' personal experiences. ...and since none of us have experienced anything other than some hot air, some pre-scripted, pre-canned dog and pony show tricks, and a couple of billionaires (who are looking to add to their bottom line) saying how "great" this trinket is. Then questions will tend to come off sounding critical.

Since I wasn't going to hear anything remotely neutral (let alone negative) from the presentation, I welcome all questions.

Lasty, See this thing for what it is, a good strong evolution of the iPod that can pass for a (mediocre) PDA with some phone dialing software (similar to what you get when you buy an aftermarket Fax Modem card) added to the mix in much the same way as Dash or a Q is a PDA with phone bits.

I had a couple of true PDA/phones (Kyocera 6035, and the ASUS P505) back in the day...

Been there. Done that. The T shirts weren't nearly as chic as this iphone's but they were sturdy, feature-rich, and did the work as well as the play.
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Phone Bashing? Hating?
by GreyClaw January 16, 2007 4:51 PM PST
Trying to blow through some the hype is hating on the thing?

Have any of you touched it?
Held it?
..tested if it's comfortable to you?

..if the features that you salivating over are as intuitive? ...or work the same way that Jobs' special super-duper demo version with the extra "no fail and make me look like an idiot up here on-stage" tech inside it?

I didn't think so.

Ad 101: Nothing can move a product like customers' personal experiences. ...and since none of us have experienced anything other than some hot air, some pre-scripted, pre-canned dog and pony show tricks, and a couple of billionaires (who are looking to add to their bottom line) saying how "great" this trinket is. Then questions will tend to come off sounding critical.

Since I wasn't going to hear anything remotely neutral (let alone negative) from the presentation, I welcome all questions.

Lasty, See this thing for what it is, a good strong evolution of the iPod that can pass for a (mediocre) PDA with some phone dialing software (similar to what you get when you buy an aftermarket Fax Modem card) added to the mix in much the same way as Dash or a Q is a PDA with phone bits.

I had a couple of true PDA/phones (Kyocera 6035, and the ASUS P505) back in the day...

Been there. Done that. The T shirts weren't nearly as chic as this iphone's but they were sturdy, feature-rich, and did the work as well as the play.
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Saw MacWorld Demo
by 62Sparkplug January 16, 2007 8:00 PM PST
I was at the MacWorld Expo and saw a demo of the iPhone that was given by
Apple staff. During the demo of the widescreen video iPod feature, I
remember them showing how a movie or video clip could switch between full
widescreen and the "letterbox" view (clipped from the top and bottom of the
screen). All you had to do to switch between the two was tap twice on the
screen. No big deal, you could view it which ever way you preferred.

Wasn't anybody from the CNET staff there also to view the demos? One of the
CNET offices is only a few blocks from the Moscone Center where the
MacWorld Expo was held.
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Saw MacWorld Demo
by 62Sparkplug January 16, 2007 8:00 PM PST
I was at the MacWorld Expo and saw a demo of the iPhone that was given by
Apple staff. During the demo of the widescreen video iPod feature, I
remember them showing how a movie or video clip could switch between full
widescreen and the "letterbox" view (clipped from the top and bottom of the
screen). All you had to do to switch between the two was tap twice on the
screen. No big deal, you could view it which ever way you preferred.

Wasn't anybody from the CNET staff there also to view the demos? One of the
CNET offices is only a few blocks from the Moscone Center where the
MacWorld Expo was held.
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