One criticism of the PS3 has been there just aren't enough enticing exclusive titles to make you want to buy the system. Well, Sony now has one with Killzone 2, which is getting rave reviews. But will it move boxes?
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Now lets look at this from a parents point of view... My kids want a new video game system so what should I buy... Ok there is three systems on the market, Nintendo, Xbox360 and PS3... Nintendo I know that means Mario games... Xbox360 doesn't that have a game called Halo that sold well? sounds ok to me... PS3 hmmm expensive, what is the name of the game everyone is talking about... KILLZONE 2 . !@#%!@ Guess which one I'm going to buy.
...You're going to want the system that will give you the best bang for your buck...you want the system that will play games the kids will like....you want the system that will have some games the adults (parents) will like...but you also want a system that can work with your Home Theater in your living room (blu-ray/Full HD Sound, divx support, that's the PS3. Run out of room on the PS3?..that's ok, just upgrade the Hard Drive if you need to.
The PS3 has a 10 year life cycle and we're only 3 years in...how old is your child now?...how old will he/she be in 6-7 years?...the PS3 is the easy choice because it has so much to offer for everyone. The Xbox 360 came out too early and is already reaching the pinnacle of it's possibilities.
The PS3 just revamped and expanded their online service with movie downloads & rentals. It also offers a free 3D online chat service called Home. You can't get the full quality oniine service from Xbox without paying.
In the end, look at it this way. Just like switching all of your standard light bulbs to CFL's was a large initial cost, you know that down the road you will reap the benefits by saving on your bill. The same concept applies to gaming consoles and specifically the PS3
Actually if you want a system that is the best bang for your buck you would look at the Xbox 360. People said 360 reached its peak with Gears of War (the first one) then came out Gears of War 2 with much better graphics and it has better performance than the first. There is still more juice to squeeze out of the 360, so dont think graphics will stay as they are now. We haven't seen Killzone 2 yet, so we can't say it looks better than the best looking 360 or PC game (whichever you think looks best on the console)
Xbox 360 has far more games than Ps3 has. You have Xbox Live Arcade with a variety of family games, Xbox 360 titles of many kinds and genres for all ages, for kids you have Banko Kazooie and Vive Piņata among many others, for adults there are all kinds of horror and action games and violent ones, you also have party games, sports games, Rockband, Guitar Hero, etc. The Ps3 cannot match the Xbox 360 in number of games or in quality of exclusive games, except for Uncharted and MGS4, and now KillZone 2. As for Home Theater and High Definiton capabilities, the Xbox 360 connects to Windows Media Center PCs and you can access all your music, videos and pictures on the living room. The Xbox 360 upscales DVDs to 1080p High Definition and makes them look amazing. It can also playback the sadly defeated HD DVD format, but buying those movies is still worth it, considering you can grab them for as low as $2 on ebay, and they look and sound just like Blu Ray movies. There are many to own considering above 500 titles were released before HD DVD lost. There is also the possibility of Blu Ray playback in the future if the consumers ask Microsoft for such a device. As for sound, it outputs on Dolby Digital HD format.
Just like Sony said Ps2 had Pixar-Like graphics (something we wont even see on Ps3) they are lyring about Ps3's 10 year life cycle. There is only so much that an nVidia 7800GTX can do, and that is the card the ps3 has inside of it. Xbox 360 has an equivalent from Ati. The Cell processor might be the "god" of processors, but just like in the PC world consoles also have bottlenecks, so it does not matter how amazing the Cell is, the Video card is pretty old when compared to nvidia's 8800, 9800 and 280, and it will have a limit in visuals, which I am pretty sure KillZone 2 is reaching or pushing.
As for Xbox Live Marketplace, it had Movie Rentals, TV show rentals, game add ons and chatting between Xbox live members, accesible for FREE, you just pay for the rentals, certain add ons and tv shows, which you have to do on the ps3 as well. Sony has just been the copy cat, playing catch up. As for playing games online, that is another thing, you have to pay on the Xbox 360 $40 per year (that is the current offer) but then you get special deals on marketplace contents, so in a way if you buy games and add ons online, you might get your $40 back in savings for purchased content.
In the end, the best combination would be a Wii and a 360. I could buy both consoles and the 360 comes with 2 games right now, for about the price of the priciest Ps3. Sony was just greedy and forced Blu Ray when it was not needed, just to win the HD DVD war. All Ps3 gamers are paying the price of Blu Ray, when they might not even be interested in watching those movies. The ps3 could cost $50 to $100 less if it did not use Blu Ray. If ps3 lasts 10 years, it is because Sony lost so much money on it, that they wont be able to afford to make another console. By 2012 I expect to see a new Xbox and a new Nintendo, both of them making ps3 look like crap, and you will see Sony lied once again.
The PS3 has sold 21 million consoles, the Xbox 360 has sold 28 million. The PS3 has been out for two years while the 360 has been out for 3 years. The PS3 has sold on average (21/2) 10.5 million consoles a year, the Xbox 360 has only sold (28/3) an average of 9.3 million consoles. The PS3 is actually doing better than the 360. It is not even known how many of the Xbox 360 owners had to buy a new console because of the RROD, at least millions, so the number for the Xbox 360 is actually lower. Sony hinted a while back that the cost of making a PS3 has broke even, so they are actually making a small profit by now probably, they said that they will keep the price the same till March and then they will decide to do a price drop or not. The Xbox 360 only appears to be doing better because of clear media bias on sites like cnet (who has a multimillion dollar marketing deal w/ M$) who show favoritism to the 360. Microsoft has been known to pay their reviewers too, for example, when Vista came out they gave major reviewers "reviewing packets" that included thousand dollar laptops and accessories. And when Halo 3 came out they gave away a bunch of top notch expensive halo accessories to the reviewers too, this only shows how much M$ needs good reviews!
Thats not even all of the stuff I wanted to say, I just got sick of typing. Next time think a little before completely dissing another system.
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Sony droid. Both consoles are good you don't have to argue that. PS3 has it's hits and 360 has it's. Both have disadvantages and advantages. dont go around ************ which one is better, your obviously not an advertiser for sony, are you? seriously come on now i'm tired of the **** you fanboys keep pumping out.
"People said 360 reached its peak with Gears of War (the first one) then came out Gears of War 2"
It wasn't the people, it was Epic who said GoW is using 99% of the 360's power and I wouldn't say GoW 2 is that much better then the original...
"The Ps3 cannot match the Xbox 360 in number of games or in quality of exclusive games"
Nah... PS3 has more quality exclusive games. Just to name a few, Little Big Planet, Resistance 2, Valkyrie Chronicles, Killzone 2, White Knight Chronicles (Japan), Yakuza 3 (Japan) and then there's Playstation store. XBL games doesn't compare to how many quality PSN games there are. I do own a 360, I play it from time to time but in terms of variety and quality of games, no doubt its the PS3.
"Sony was just greedy and forced Blu Ray when it was not needed, just to win the HD DVD war."
So did Sony force the DVD format as well when it was not needed? Did you know that Sony help boost the DVD format due to it's PS2?? Sony also helped boost CD when PSX came out. Blu-ray may not be needed at the time PS3 was out but for future games, YES it's needed just as Killzone 2 is taking up 40+ gigabytes as well as other games likes MGS4, Resistance 1&2... It is true that PS3 help win the HD format war but I'm glad it did, not only we get better Picture Quality movies, nearly all Blu-ray movies support lossless audio, not the compressed crap that most HD-DVD movies had. Also more can be done with BD-Java then HDi. BD also has an anti-scratch coating on their discs.
"If ps3 lasts 10 years, it is because Sony lost so much money on it, that they wont be able to afford to make another console."
Oh really... so explain why PS2 is lasting for 10 years? and before that it was PSX. So why is PS3 any different?
"By 2012 I expect to see a new Xbox and a new Nintendo, both of them making ps3 look like crap, and you will see Sony lied once again."
I'm sure PS4 will be out by then but the PS3 will be alive and going for years to come... unlike the XBOX that died almost immediately when the 360 came out.
Also keep in mind, with the PS3 you can help join the effort in the study of protein folding, diseases and numerous scientific advances known as Folding@Home. According to Stanford, PS3 is the leading platform. Also you won't have to worry about the PS3 breaking since it has a very low defective rate. Now with the 360, you'll be lucky if your 360 runs smoothly without having to replace it.
for fps I would rahter wait for project offset and operation flash point than waste money on a console.
Console gaming is hardly considered garbage seeing they're giving you great games without having to run out to best buy for a new graphic card and what not.
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I am truly converted to consoles. I still love PCs, they're great for gaming if you don't have a mortgage or don't have to eat every day.
I skipped the 360 and the PS3, but got a Wii. The Wii does get some game time every now and then, but more so when people are over. My PS2 and X-Box meanwhile collect dust.
I've considered a PS3 mainly for the Blu-Ray player and the two games that really pique my interest are Kill Zone 2 and Little Big Planet. Other than that, I haven't seen any titles on the PS3 that really make me want to rush out and get one. Perhaps when Sony gets to the point that the drop the price, I will pick one up. But for $400, I'd rather buy a new processor and motherboard.
Thinking you?re a real gamer because you stick to PC really isn?t saying much; just seems rather shallow and pedantic (Family Guy reference).
PS3, PSP, DS, WII, 360 <eye role>, SEGA Master system, NES, SNES, Xbox, Game Boy, ect?.It?s a good era to live in.
The only way I think Killzone could be used to help boost sales is to follow Wii / 360's bundle trend by co-packaging Killzone 2 with a PS3 all for $50 to $100 less. I understand that Sony is already taking a bath on the hardware investment but a 'temporary' discounted bundle could help push out consoles and artificially inflate volume of Killzone 2 games sold. The resulting stats could then help Sony in the court of public opinion by creating an air of popularity.
With that said, the PS3 also has streaming media capabilities like the 360, but via built in wireless, so that argument is out. The 360 may upscale to 1080P, but upscaling is a whole different boat than producing native 720 & 1080P video.
There still is as of yet, no blu-ray add-on like the HD DVD player, which was an add-on as well--ultimately making purchasing an Xbox 360 less cost efficient sine you have to buy extra add-ons (if you already have the HD DVD add-on, you've already wasted money since no one will buy those '500 titles' that were out before HD DVD died, since there's no future in it. So needless to say you're way behind already in the HD realm.
Playing online on the PS3 is free, no matter what game, no matter what service (i.e. Home). Also, you have easy accesibility to the web, via the built in browser.
Finally, if you buy both a wii and a 360, it will equal the price of a PS3...not to mention you still need a blu-ray player in addition. So no, you really don't get the best bang for your buck by buying a 360
On top of that, the PS3 isn't even HD ready out of the box, you have to buy either Sony branded component cables or an HDMI cable. At least with the 360 every version comes with component HD cables (and RCA cables) and the Elite even comes with component, RCA, AND HDMI cables.
Not everyone wants Wifi, so why force everyone to pay extra for it? Mine works just fine wired. (With the included ehternet cable!)
Also, as I stated, the XBox 360 Elite is selling for the same price as an 80GB PS3...and the PS3 has the wifi and bluray built in plus an internet browser...so you're getting more for your money with the 80GB PS3. I use my PS3 wired and don't usually use the WiFi...but it's a nice feature to have to give the end user the flexability to put their console wherever they want and not have to worry about running wires if they don't want to (I had to use the Wifi in my old Apartment because of the room setup and no ability to hide a lengthy ethernet cable)
My Wii also has built-in WiFi and a web browser ;)
The value is what is included out of the box and what is needed to buy in accesories to get the full experience on both consoles. I did buy the xbox 360 first because of all the hype and halo but I should have gotten the ps3 and call of duty instead. (I did eventually plus metal gear). I believed the hype and was not satisfied thanks to all who said the ps3 was too expensive. Before you buy really think of what you want otherwise you won't be completely satisfied.
For me I don't need or want a wireless adapter. Hell I actually went and bought the hardwire adapter for my wii just because I like to have all of my devices lag free, my laptops are the only wireless devices in my house.
The internet is not even fast enough to have lag with your wireless. You would only have lag over the LAN. So you just wasted your money with the wii adapter.
That's what people are really waiting for, not games because there are enough now worth buying anyway.
Even if Sony didn't have that many blockbuster games out, they knew that Blu-Ray would play a major part in the battle. They probably wouldn't bundle the game until all the hype slowed down. If your a gamer, your going to buy whats best out there, regardless of the price. If your an average, then go for the Wii and XBox 360. Just keep in mind that Wii doesn't offer HD gaming and Xbox 360 you have to pay for the online service. If you don't own a PS3, and you've played KillZone 2, your going to want one.
Is it just me or does the PS3 start to feel like the N64; in that developers are looking at it as a second or third option when compared to Wii and 360? Software support is what killed the 64 because of costs associated (the cartridge was proprietary with Nintendo and cost more than a CD at the time). In this case, I've spotted several articles from developers who do say that developing for the PS3 involves a strong learning curve when compared to the other systems on the market.
Bang for your buck doesn't matter if in the end you are left with a system with only a few good games that play expensive movies. Just my opinion, though.
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=22547
The 'package' argument is the best route, because again, the idea is to have the best bang for your buck, especially in these times. If an item has a ton of additional features & benefits to it with a slighly higher upfront cost, it will depend on whether or not those features and benefits meet your need. That's ultimately the idea, and that was my initial post (that most people, if they actually research the consoles, will find that their money will go further with a PS3 purchase than a 360 purchase.)
Your argument, like the Titanic, is sunk.
That being said, I am in no way arguing against the powerhouse that is the PS3. On paper it is an amazing machine that can do wonderful things but if developers can't design worth a damn for it (other than EA with it's 200+ teams) then what is the point? Especially in these times when companies are cutting back on labor and manpower. I just think the PS3 will be more a victim of the economic downturn than a system battle it deserves.
Yet here we sit after the BD vs. HD-DVD format war, after the Xmas buying season, after the launch of a few "must have" titles and the Playstation3 and Sony are still hurting for market share and to turn a profit. Also most consumers still don't care about HD movies, and feel that DVD's are "good enough". So go ahead and pay my check too...
I think the economic downturn will actually reward those who do their homework before they spend their hard earned money.
The fact that the PS3 is difficult to develop for doesn't help, I agree with that. However, we've seen many titles (Killzone 2 is a perfect example, MGS4 is another) that takes full advantage of the architecture. So we know that it's not without hope. Most families are more concerned about Teen or younger games. Most games that will take advantage of the full architecture will usually be (but not always) Teen or Mature rated games.
And again, I'm arguing the fact that I don't think the KZ2 game will spur sales of the PS3 system...I'm arguing that it's the features & benefits of the system that will sell it)
You would still have a great gaming machine that is future proof (say if 3 to 5 years down the road something happens to DVD and Blu-ray becomes the standard for hard copy video)
Reminds me of my last days with 360. Applying that cream to fix the scratches on my copy of Mass affect and GTA. Rubbing it in gently with a rag every other week??the CD I mean.
First off, I have no opinion on the PS3 vs 360 argument. I have both and love to play both. But I wouldn't bring up the additional 40gb of hd space as an Xbox advantage. The fact is I upgraded my PS3 hd to 500gb for less than $70 and with very little experience working on electronics. I've not been able to do that with my 360 elite yet.
http://www.split-screen.com/2009/03/03/does-arma-ii-really-measure-up-to-crysis/
agin as a high end pc gamer why would I want a old console and junky game. In a ression I would rather have pc because aleast I can look for a job at home on the internet while I play my games and watch tv.
The worst you could shell out for a console is 400-500 every 8-10 years...the games for these consoles are also optimized for their respective console, so no worrying about a 'Crysis' type game and not having it run properly....so in regards to Gaming and Home Theater Technology, a PC doesn't go very far anymore.
by the aleast i can use my high pc to look for a jobs talk to firends. Pc gamers live on the net :) we have mmo's and every type of cuting edge games no reason for me to want a console still.
Consoles have AAA titles coming out all of the time (look at GTAIV, Gears of War, Halo, MGS4, Killzone 2) PC games rarely have a blockbuster game selling as many copies as consoles, and again even if the PC industry has a blockbuster game (it's usually a game that's pushing the envelope in regards to processing or graphics--thereby alienating those who can't afford to keep upgrading their PC's)
That's one of the main reasons I switched from PC to Console. Now that I have the wife, kids, pet, car & mortgage. I wanted something that I knew that my money was really investing into something for a long period of time.
And with this now even worse economic situation, I think the price of the PS3 period is going to be a tough pill to swallow for just 1 game. It's like, if you only want to play Fallout 3, GTA 4, or any sports game, it makes much more sense to go out and buy a 360 for it rather than a PS3 based on price alone.
Then you have single player vs multiplayer. I know people talk about multiplayer being the real seller behind games like Gears 2, Halo 3, and now Killzone 2. But honestly, I bought the Gears 2 and Halo 3 more for the story than I did for the multiplayer. Sure, I play Halo 3 and Gears 2 Horde mode online, but I still find myself playing through the story mode more than the multiplayer mode, but that's just me. And after playing KZ2 for a whole day (Last Saturday), I can tell you, the story is garbage and totally forgettable. Part of the problem is that Killzone 1 was such a weak game that there's no emotional attachment to the characters of organizations in the Killzone 2. With the Gears and Halo franchise, they started off on very strong stories and characters, we all know everything about Master Chief, Spartans, UNSC, the Covenant, and Forerunners. And with gears we all know the signature phrases of the characters of Marcus, Dom, Baird, and Cole. After playing Killzone 2 for a day I can't even remember the names of the characters. Actually my cousin hasn't even beaten it yet, he's stuck on a hard part and he just went out to multiplayer.
If the story was any good you'd play that section over and over until you beat it just to finish the game. (I reme.ber my buddy and I kept playing that section of Halo 1 where you meet the sword guy on the bridge like 10 times, we were determined to beat that guy.lol
I'm sure there will be a bump in console sales, but nothing like Metal Gear Solid 4, I mean, that game has been on the market for 9 months, and it' already been outsold by other 360 exclusives like Gears 2 that has only been on the market 4.
While playing Killzone 2, my uncle (A devout Sony fan, he has Sony everything) assured me that Killzone 2 would surpass both Gears of War 2 and Halo 3 in sales. I kind of laughed, after all, this same uncle thinks that Socom Confrontation is the most popular game on PSN.lol
However on Halo can anyone honestly say the sequels were any good at all? Fine plenty people out there say so but in my opinion (and that?s all it is) Halo 2 and 3 were ridiculous. First off the only thing I remember of 2 was how cramped the environment felt compared to the original. The fact you played the Arbiter that didn?t add much of a difference form Master Chief. Then there was the appearance of Seamore from little shops of horrors. Now on Halo 3 they dropped the closed environment, Arbiter control, and Seamore apparently starved to death (get it he says feed me). Any who, besides all that they drop they basically recycled all the ideas of the first Halo then recycled the graphics of Halo 2. Polished it a bit for the appearance of next gen, and forced you to pay 60 for an expansion. Don?t feel bad I was suckered into getting it too?..
Killzone might not be your cup of tea but at least it?s a bonafied sequel all around, story, graphics, and innovation.
while pc game devs both indie are doing pretty good.
Sony needed this game to show people what the system could do but let's not forget the time and money they spent to do it. This game will be a one off (not counting sequels) and you will not... ever see another IP from them with this same kind of caliber.
The only people I know that bought this game already owned a PS3. MGS4 was a system mover but I doubt that a run of the mill FPS will do much.
Again, people are complaining that the PS3 is too expensive and that one game (KZ2 for the sake of this article) won't move more consoles.
The idea is, if the console offers a feature at no additional cost (you have to spend the exact same amount for a PS3 with bluray, that you do for an Xbox360 With HD support for games but that has no bluray for movies) then it makes sense to go with the item that has the additional features at no extra cost.
Bluray is the future whether people want to accept it or not. Within 1-2 years the prices for movies will come down just like they did on dvd's when dvd took over for VHS.
Just like Flatscreen Plasmas "were only for the rich" in the 90's, now CRT TV's are just about gone. Things will change soon enough, and those who purchased wisely early on will be the one's who benefit the most.
Not sure where you are getting your information from but an Xbox 360 with two free games, a HD, and HD cables for your TV is $299
A PS3 with no games, no HD cable to connect to your TV is $399.
You are paying extra for the Blu-ray. Please slow down on the FUD.
You also stated 'a HD' what the heck is 'a HD'?
Wow, you REALLY need to check your info before you post. Every single Xbox 360 system out of the box on store shelves right now from the Arcade at $199 to the Pro at $299 and the Elite at $399... every single one of them, each and every unit has HDMI.
So if you wanted an Xbox 360 with HDMI, you can find one today... even at Best Buy for $199. Half the price of a PS3 and not only that, they all do HD in 720p and 1080i over component. Something that that PS3 games cannot do. Little Big Planet runs in 720p only, it will not run in 1080i and if you have an HD set that is 1080i only, it downgrades the game to 720p. Only the 360 upscales every single game to 1080i or 1080p.
Again, check your information before you post.
Wow guy...you really need to start checking out what you're saying
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8928814&type=product&id=1215818957702
there's the website that shows the basic Xbox360...no HDMI...you really shouldn't be posting anywhere if you're not even going to look up info before you post.
Just for you... the $199 Arcade unit. HALF the price of the PS3... with HDMI.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8514306&type=product&id=1186006196578
From the EXACT text of Best Buy's site:
HDMI port
Lets you experience games in up to full 1080p high definition for amazingly crisp, lifelike detail (HDMI cable not included).
Thanks for playing though!!! You've been a great contestant on the show "Let's post about things we don't know"
http://www.amazon.com/Xbox-360-Arcade-Console-Bonus-Game/dp/B001FPBZBC/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1236117535&sr=8-1
# HDMI lets you get HD video (up to 1080p, cable sold separately)
http://www.ebgames.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?product_id=67291
This console includes an HDMI output, so you can experience your games in the highest definition possible, up to 1080p (HDMI cable sold separately).
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16868105010
This package includes a 256 MB hard drive, an HDMI port, a sleek wireless controller, five standard arcade games, Sega Superstars Tennis, and an Xbox Live Silver membership.
Would you like more links?
Just because Microsoft screwed up releasing their consoles too early and had to make a whole set of sku's to catch up with the PS3 is not my fault.
Ultimately, you get a better bang for your buck because while you're sitting there playing pac man with your $200.00 360...I'll be playing Killzone 2 in HD and then when I'm done I'll switch over and watch a nice bluray movie all without having to switch to another player...do you smell that?...yeah that's you..you're done
That's great that you want a Blu-ray player... because I don't. And when I bought my PS3, I bought it as a game machine only and it really sucks that I had to pay for a non gaming feature I didn't want. All I wanted to do was play games. While you may find that the features are worth the added price... look at the sales number buddy, the general buying public does not because the PS3 is in a constant third place in sales and sales are down year over year every month for the last few months according to the NPD reporting group (same source Sony themselves use in their PR)
I understand your blind faith towards this product. There are quite a few of you out there, but to gamers like me who just want a game system the PS3 fails on this "value". Again, sales numbers back up what I'm saying. I can see the value in a BMW but my Honda still gets me back and forth to work just fine and in this economy, having a higher priced product isn't what is going to sell.
It's funny you think "I'm done" because you've already shown with your previous posts that you are willing to post half truths that you believe are facts but are wrong when even the slightest bit of research would have shown you that you were wrong.
Ok sony spent what 40 million crytek spent like 10 million. Now crytek who is not as rich as Intel or sony made a much better game than sony kill zone 2. Can you picture if Intel who is rich enough spends around $40 milllion to make a pc game which will be project offset. By the way intel is rich enough to do that and not aworry about spending that kind of money in a ression.
mirco soft by the way says all their excluseive will be better than killzone 2. If micro soft means business they will spend that kind of money to make their games. So this means we will not see the end of these high budget games. This will be the begining but in the end pc will end up wining.
Yeah, I'm that guy who buys things for the gimmick. Now I'm off to play an epic battle with Jedi Mickey Mouse and Barrack Obama action figure.
I know sony console game is going to be meh, project offset is the game i am saving up for.
no there is a numbers I want too like guild wars 2 and starcraft.
- by dreamhunk March 3, 2009 12:32 PM PST
- sorry I mean to say there is a number of games I want on the pc like guild wars 2 and starcraft 2 operation flash, dragon age, mass affect 2 point maybe one more mmo I'm good for the year.
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