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Defense giant shows that, under test conditions, the Humvee-mounted Laser Avenger can knock a target aircraft out of the sky. It "burned a hole" through an unmanned aircraft.

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by mattharms January 26, 2009 12:47 PM PST
Please tell me these things can be defeated by some kind of beefed-up mirrors. Because that would just be hilarious.
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by timber2005 January 26, 2009 1:58 PM PST
Although they probably could reflect the light energy, i'm not sure the heat energy would be reflected which is what is causing the burns.
by thelemurking January 29, 2009 6:57 AM PST
LOL - I always thought it would be hilarious to see a Stormtrooper just pop out in mirror / chrome armor and just rampage against the rebels because their lasers just bounced off him :)
by 911junkie January 26, 2009 1:30 PM PST
Real Genius.
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by basraw January 26, 2009 2:01 PM PST
COol - like Transfomers! or GI JOE!
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by expatincebu January 26, 2009 2:15 PM PST
How many billions of tax payers dollars were wasted on this crap? All this represents is a welfare program for Boeing. Isn't anyone else sick of their government spending one trillion dollars a year on a giant bloated useless military welfare machine?
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by ckurowic January 26, 2009 2:25 PM PST
Wasted? Useless? Go to a country with a weak military and see how life is.

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by expatincebu January 26, 2009 2:31 PM PST
10 trillion dollars in debt you are, with three trillion more to be added this year. Most of this debt is owed to countries that produce things and have very little military! Guess what, they are going to stop lending you money. So now you will have to just print it up, meaning runaway inflation.

The military has bankrupted the nation, just as it did Britain, and France, and Russia, and Rome, and every other empire. I do live in a country with a small military. I moved here to stop paying taxes to support morons in green killing women and children for corporate profit. My lifestyle is 100% better.

You obviously know absolutely nothing, or you are one of those Defense Department propaganda posters I read about last week.
by Everlovin G January 26, 2009 2:45 PM PST
@expatincebu

"I do live in a country with a small military. I moved here to stop paying taxes to support morons in green killing women and children for corporate profit. My lifestyle is 100% better."

So happy for you and your "lifestyle," quitter. Don't bother coming back.
by Jon Skillings January 26, 2009 3:04 PM PST
Boeing says that it's paying for the Laser Avenger out of pocket. On the other hand, it is taking government money for other directed-energy projects including the Airborne Laser and the truck-based High Energy Laser Technology Demonstrator.
by expatincebu January 26, 2009 3:47 PM PST
Quitter? LOL! You described yourself. You sit there selling yourself and your children and grandchildren into slavery willingly.

It is quite sad but predictable. Write a post exposing this waste of money and you get zero replies that can defend it at all, just insults and empty rhetoric. Sheep marching happily to the slaughter.
by Tui Pohutukawa January 26, 2009 11:13 PM PST
expatincebu, you've got it right.

"Sheep marching happily to the slaughter."
by Endbringer January 27, 2009 5:45 AM PST
So the greatest military machine on the planet is useless? You're a moron. We got to be the greatest nation in the history of the world because others are afraid to attack us. How's that happen?

Our entire economy is estimated at $14 trillion dollars. The next highest is Japan with $4.4 trillion. Our defense budget is around $500 billion a year. This new "stimulus" package is more than we spend on the military. So go back to your pathetic country that uses the US military as it's protection and sip your pina collada.
by Heebee Jeebies January 27, 2009 2:09 PM PST
This is hardly a waste of time or money. Once perfectly we could see such systems on commercial airliners. In the advent that the war on terror doesn't get any better it would be nice to have commercial jets that could defend themselves.

Robert
by January 28, 2009 2:56 PM PST
expatincebu is SO proud of his lifestyle that he.... ooppps.... forgot to brag about
where he is living. wonder why?

if it's Cebu, Phillipines, good luck making the argument that the standard of living is better there than the US.
perhaps you're one of those expats who moves to a developing country to hire a maid, chef, and driver.
by egghead1619 January 29, 2009 1:36 PM PST
This isn't a waste. Actually it kind of reminds me of the science project I did back in high school 13 or so years ago. I did some experimentation on the color selectivity of an argon laser utilizing colored balloons inside clear ones. Since the laser had only 105mW of power and was tuned to around 490nm, the laser passed through the clear, non-pigmented outer balloon and burned a hole in the interior, pigmented balloons that did not reflect the wavelength. Granted the hole took close to 5 minutes to form, but the premise was valid enough that I had visits to my table and congratulations from all branches of the armed forces and even received a top prize from the Navy.

Now, scale my experiment up to a multi-kilowatt laser and tune it to the near ultraviolet or infrared range and you have a devastatingly powerful beam that is hard to reflect and can quickly destroy whatever is struck. In case you think this is science fiction, look at the current lasers being used in eye surgery. Those lasers are designed to literally vaporize tissue in bursts as short as 50 femtoseconds or milionths of a nanosecond.
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by Magicland January 26, 2009 2:41 PM PST
"a defense against UAVs "like those that increasingly threaten U.S. troops deployed in war zones." Who exactly are we fighting who's armed with UAV's? I'm pretty sure the Taliban don't have any. The insurgents in Iraq don't have any. Who's increasingly threatening our troops with them? Are we at war with Britain or Canada and nobody told us? Our troops are threatened by IED's and suicide bombers, not UAV's...
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by grriffin January 26, 2009 3:11 PM PST
Well now that Boeing sold us a way to shoot them down they can start selling them to our enemies silly. They must have sold a few advance copies just to prime the market which accounts for the "increasingly".
by zmonster January 26, 2009 5:17 PM PST
Certain people in the defense establishment believe that the earth is threatened by hostile extraterrestrial vehicles. Some of them 'manned', some of them unmanned. This may sound like science fiction, but it is not. It is serious business.

See:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/ufos/article2171863.ece

and:

http://narcap.org
by Jon Skillings January 29, 2009 10:07 AM PST
Magicland - Yeah, that was an odd claim, but that's exactly what Boeing said - twice! - in their press release. For the time being, certainly, UAVs aren't much of a threat, if any at all, to U.S. troops. But I'm sure there are folks in the Pentagon worrying about what happens if and when opposing forces start flying small remote-controlled aircraft with cameras and explosives aboard.
by rapier1 January 29, 2009 11:02 AM PST
Military procurement and development has a very long life cycle. As such you can't just focus on any current enemies but potential adversaries. This would include actual countries with budgets and the ability to develop and launch their own UAVs, cruise missiles, and the like.
by drnickm January 26, 2009 3:21 PM PST
You're forgetting about the friendly-fire problem. Some teenager in Arizona handling the UAV doesn't care what he shoots, as long as he shoots something............
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by zmonster January 26, 2009 5:12 PM PST
The US military is developing these weapons to use against hostile extraterrestrial spacecraft. And no, that is not a joke.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/ufos/article2171863.ece
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by Thomas T January 28, 2009 12:47 AM PST
Hostile UFOs? Misinformation. Go to theyflydotcom and discover whats going on outside of maistrean-controlled-twisted news..
by Eludium-Q36 January 27, 2009 9:36 AM PST
This is defense contractor propaganda. Their "test" was akin to shooting a paper airplane (uav) from a suspended pole in the air. It is total disinformation that their capability is ANYWHERE near what you see in scifi movies. We are many DECADEs away from achieving this capability, it's just a bunch of scare-talk to intimidate adverseries, but it's totally bogus.
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by willdryden January 27, 2009 5:09 PM PST
@Eludium-Q36 - you are wrong. They are downgrading what the lasers can actually do. I saw one in action in 1994. I have seen them deployed and I have the National stock number for a laser that will fit in the nose of an F16 in one of my files.
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by asmmp January 27, 2009 7:40 PM PST
Wow! Where can I buy one. I want to zap some of those jackass redlight cams!!
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by thelemurking January 29, 2009 7:45 AM PST
I think it would be much much cheaper just to use a can of spray paint to render those red light cames useless ;)
by mickmcc January 28, 2009 1:51 AM PST
Here's a crazy thought ....What if it was deemed un-patriotic to profit from the sale of equipment used by your country in a time of war ?

I mean isn't it a soldiers duty to defend his country and forfeit his life if needed. So why do Corporations risk nothing in a time of war and reap incredible profits .But the soldier and his family are expected to give their life's for their country at no cost.
Maybe if in a time of war Corporations where by law to aid their country by giving at no profit meaning cost only the products of their factories .And in peace time its business as usual .
Why should shareholder give nothing and the patriotic troops risk everything...so how about the shareholders risk sometime to defend the country that in peace time generates their dividends ?
I think this would eliminate 99% of wars the instant this law was passed.
Any body willing to comment on the ethics of profiting from war ? And the morality of profiting from war ?
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by TimeTraveler2000 January 28, 2009 1:04 PM PST
Interesting idea... Only one problem I see though. The US is always at war. I can't recall a time when the US hasn't been practicing its philosophy of might is right. But then on the other hand this idea really does nothing as the US congress has not officially declared war since 1942. So all these war profiteers would still sit back and collect US taxpayer dollars.

Its also interesting that the only things the US has declared War on, have only gotten worse. The War On Drugs, more drugs on our streets. The War On Illiteracy, the more illiterate people there are. The War On Terror, more terror related attacks. It would be nice if there were wars on morals, ethics, and integrity. Wars on low taxes, wars on common sense, and I'm sure there's a whole lot more we can wage war on to bring more of it about.
by mickmcc January 29, 2009 12:55 AM PST
THOUGHT FOR THE DAY!
" Enemies are necessary for the wheels of the U.S. military machine to turn. "-- John Stockwell, former CIA official and author
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by dburr13 January 30, 2009 6:16 PM PST
Pandora's box will soon be wide open...It seems inevitable that unscrupulous organizations will gain access to this technology...And then we'll have something new to worry about.
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by kaine77 April 3, 2009 10:32 PM PDT
Procurement is rarely about the current war. The development cycle of technologies like these is simply too slow. However, the Iranians and the Chinese both have been interested in UAVs, but it's far more cost-effective to track them with our superior radar systems (don't tell me fire-finder can't find UAVs) and knock them out of the sky with SAMs.
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