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Comments on: Facebook disables 'hate Muslims' group

Social network disables a Facebook group called "I Hate Muslims in Oz" and goes into more detail about its position with respect to Holocaust denial.

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by The_JIDF June 10, 2009 5:30 PM PDT
Facebook has been filled w/ double standards since the beginning.

Please check out our latest campaign:

TAKE ACTION: Alert 50 Companies that they are Advertising Side by Side with Holocaust Denial Content on Facebook
http://www.thejidf.org/2009/06/take-action-alert-50-companies-that.html
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by The_JIDF June 10, 2009 5:36 PM PDT
Facebook has been filled w/ double standards since the beginning.

Please check out our latest campaign:

TAKE ACTION: Alert 50 Companies that they are Advertising Side by Side with Holocaust Denial Content on Facebook
http://www.thejidf.org/2009/06/take-action-alert-50-companies-that.html
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by solitare_pax June 10, 2009 6:23 PM PDT
Wonderful.

Will alerting advertisers about the poisonous drek that conservative talk-show hosts help take them off the air too?
by pubmat June 10, 2009 9:21 PM PDT
solitaire---And I suppose MSNBC, The NY times, CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC, and their lying, lowlife ilk are just crusaders for the truth then!! What kinda stuff are you smoking?
by The_JIDF June 10, 2009 5:41 PM PDT
Facebook already claimed to have met with unnamed experts. While the SWC might be great at hunting Nazis, I have yet to see any of their actual expertise on Cyberhate. I have heard that the SWC has no real budget or expertise to address these problems in the proper way that they need to be addressed.

Facebook is not neutral one iota. They have allowed some of the most offensive pro-terrorist and antisemitic material I have ever seen. Without the JIDF taking action to find an insider who would help us take action against hundreds of these groups, many of them would still be up.

We have all the evidence of our multiple campaigns and the type of material Facebook has allowed for quite some time now right on our website: http://www.thejidf.org
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by inachu June 11, 2009 3:20 AM PDT
The JDF is just as militant as the KKK,BLACK PANTHERS,STORMFRONT,MS13
The JDF will cry antisemitisim even if you went to visit their grandmothers house and ate dinner and did not like their cookies. A big boooo hoooo on that!
by MindSpeak June 10, 2009 7:50 PM PDT
I wish that all of this Muslim hatred would just stop!!! The U.S. Govt is responsible for 911/WTC!! www.infowars.com, www.ae911truth.org, www.zeitgeistmovie.com, www.whatreallyhappened.com
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by pubmat June 10, 2009 9:17 PM PDT
You are a fruitcake.
by inachu June 11, 2009 3:26 AM PDT
The US govt will not and has not replied to the finding of thermite beign used.
IT was a fact that other planes hit other steel structures but the support did not melt.

I could see the steel beign weakend and bend then the collapse but not red hot molten steel.
airline feul burnt up within seconds and did not wash itself all over the building to be so hot.

The friction of the buildign comming down also would not have caused the steel to glow red hot and the only thing that does that AT ALL is thermite.

So pubmat and OTHERS reading this. you are a fruitcake if you do not use REAL science when discrediting someone. If I won a billion dollars and built a 10 story replica using exact specifications of the WTC towers in every way and flew my own 747 into it with a full fuel tank I bet many floors would pancake but no steal would melt.
by anthony f wood June 12, 2009 6:28 AM PDT
Muslim hatred? Not generally, I know quite a few rather well, as well as Jews, Aborigines, Maori's( who I grew up with ), Dutch, French, Sudanese, and a whole melange of races & beliefs. I have found one common thing about them all, they are all just folks, with famillies, friends and foibles. We all bleed red, and we are all prone to misunderstandings of the motives and intentions of others. Most of us have beliefs drummed into us by our own society of peers and or families, sometimes the doctrines get messed up and views become more than a little unbalanced, then you get people attacking each other accusing each other of evil deeds and then this leads to doing really bad stuff. Those who orchestrated 911 etc were/are more than a little unbalanced and are not capable of accepting the ways of others & have no respect for Human life...not even their own, pretty sad really.
My father was a frontline Infantryman in WW2, at the end of that war he was involved with the cleanup at Buchenwald in Germany. He ingrained in me an acceptance of the ways and lifestyles ( religious & cultural )of others, something I have tried to do. This is NOT easy but it is something we should do. There is a minority of Fanatics of all sorts who make life difficult for the majority of people, to me it seems like a mental illness. This is my opinion of racial & religious hatred and not anyone elses.
by FrankMurphyEsq June 10, 2009 10:25 PM PDT
Facebook is right on this issue. Denying the holocaust, while ridiculous from a factual perspective, doesn't make a person an anti-Semite. Even if most holocaust-deniers are anti-Semites, denying the holocaust is not, by itself, an inherently anti-Semitic viewpoint. Schnitt notes that holocaust-denial groups containing an explicit statement of hate against Jews are summarily deleted, and rightly so. But absent such a statement, simply taking a position on a question of fact (i.e., whether or not a historic event occurred), no matter how absurd, should not subject a group to deletion.

The contrary position raises a number of questions. Firstly, what level of denial crosses the line between dissent and hate speech? If a group acknowledges that a genocide occurred but disputes the number of Jews killed, should it be subject to deletion? If a group explicitly condemns genocide and anti-Semitism but denies that Nazi Germany perpetrated a genocide against Jews, should it be subject to deletion? Lastly, should groups that deny other genocides--e.g., the Armenian Genocide, the Rwandan Genocide, the Bosnian Genocide--also be subject to deletion? If not, then why must the Holocaust be treated differently? Is it because of the magnitude of the number of victims (if so, what's the 'magic number' and why)? Is it because because the victims were Jews (if so, why aren't other minorities entitled to similar recognition)? In Europe (where laws criminalizing Holocaust denial are common), legal authorities have never been able to provide satisfactory answers to these questions and end up putting forth justifications for Holocaust denial laws that are arbitrary at best and hypocritical at worst. Facebook is right not to follow the example of the Europeans.
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by thedevil667 June 11, 2009 12:35 AM PDT
This is potentially the best written, most logical thing I have ever seen on the internet. I praise your intelligence and your eloquent expression, and I also agree with your statement.
by inachu June 11, 2009 3:32 AM PDT
I agree 100%! There is no meuseum for a world holocaust crimes against humanity in itself.

But then you must also ask. Why isn't there a holocaust meuseum in Alaska or the north pole or in the very poor areas of Africa. It seems only the rich cities/countries get a holocaust meuseum. Why not put one in Darfur where there is current genocide? Because they would laugh in your face if you tried to say your pain was greater than theirs.
by zmjman08 June 11, 2009 6:43 AM PDT
Well said.
Why should Facebook be held responsible for other people's opinions? If the Jews and Muslims don't like what these groups are saying, they should confront them directly, instead of blaming Facebook.
by Muhammad I. September 28, 2009 1:16 PM PDT
Well I can't reply to zmjman08 directly, so this is the second best thing. Who the hell said Jews and Muslims aren't confronting the hate groups themsevles? And who said they are blaming facebook? Wanna get your facts straight really quick before you put your fingers to the keys man?
by hdibani June 11, 2009 1:47 AM PDT
@ The_JIDF

by the way, Arabs are also Semite, Anti Semite=Anti Arab.

do you also stand in the fight against racism against Arabs?
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by inachu June 11, 2009 3:34 AM PDT
Back in the 1980 jews would be insulted if you called them white. But today you get militant young jews on youtube screaming WHITE POWER!

Why haven't those videos been deleted yet? Oh.... White power in this instance means political speech? Yeah Riiiight.
by liquidmetalband June 11, 2009 2:37 AM PDT
Everyone should be able to say whatever they want, however they want, whenever they want, wherever they want. It's called freedom of speech. If Facebook wants to block that, it's their decision. It's their website.

However, I would advise them against it, because that's not how you win customers. It's going to be bad in the long-run for their image.
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by Muhammad I. September 28, 2009 1:16 PM PDT
Yeah and groups like "F*ck Muslims" are great for their image, huh?
by JWreford June 11, 2009 12:55 PM PDT
Free Speech is not free. You have to fight for it.

You are only free to say what you want if it is agreeable to the powers that be. In this case Facebook.

I may not agree with what you have to say but I will fight for your right to say it.
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by Muhammad I. September 28, 2009 1:17 PM PDT
Is anybody else noticing how this article barely even talks about the anti-Muslim hate group AT ALL? How did this get turned into an article about the Holocaust denial group?
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