Comments on: Wikipedia excommunicates Church of Scientology

Accusing the church of systematic manipulation of Scientology Wikipedia entries, the online encyclopedia bans all entries from IP addresses owned or operated by the church.

[worldrimroamer]

Doug_Mills writes: "...there is no evidence against the Bible's truth that can be proven. Whether or not one believes what is in the Bible actually happened, I have never come across evidence that can prove that any one thing did not happen or is not true."

Well, Doug, for starters, how about ... The earth was created in six days, and day and night were created before the sun was created, and the earth has four corners, and in the Old Testament God stopped the sun once for a full hour, and a virgin gave birth to a baby, and Moses parted the red sea, and the entire earth was covered with water, and dead people come back to live, and you can turn water into wine and you can have conversations with bushes and you can walk on water (with enough faith, of course, lol) ... One would have to recite about 10% of the entire text of the Bible just to complete this list. The Bible is FRAUGHT with things that are quite impossible, unless you believe that all of physics, chemistry, biology, and logic are just another form of religious fantasy. Well, they are not. It's called science, it's called rationalism. Science is not a religious fantasy.

Claims must be supported by empirical, repeatable data, or else they are just fantasy.

[gabeheim]

Sad what happens when immature and uneducated little children think they know what science is, and then go about telling everyone.

Here's a hint: Study science and what it really means. Then, look up faith and learn what that really means as well. Then you would realize that science and faith are separate domains with little to no intersection. They can mutually co-exist, or they can mutually exclude one another.

[QUOTE]The Bible is FRAUGHT with things that are quite impossible, unless you believe that all of physics, chemistry, biology, and logic are just another form of religious fantasy[/QUOTE]

Clearly, again, showing your ignorance. Science is the study of the observable universe. If a being that is not part of the universe (existed on its own before the universe) created the universe and wrote the rules for that universe (i.e. the rules studied by physicists and mathematicians), then that being is not bound by the laws of the universe. Whether God exists, created the universe, and wrote the rules of the universe, is a question that science does not and will not attempt to answer, and it is a question of your own faith. Whether you believe in some other supernatural being or sequence of events is also a question of your own faith (it's your choice if you want to believe in FSM). But, assuredly, the bible is quite clear in its claim that God is the beginning and the end, as well as "I AM" (hence self-existent), therefore he is outside the scope of the universe and outside its laws. And yes, most of the miracles in the bible might be impossible or improbable according to what we know about the universe. That is why they are called miracles, and not simply magic tricks, because they imply the assistance of a supernatural being in addition to spiritual faith. So please, next time, spare us all, and say nothing more than "I believe" or "Don't believe", because if you say anything else trying to prove or disprove God with "science", then you are not contributing to a discussion about science or faith.

[The_happy_switcher]

@gabeheim: I can no more disprove the existence of god than I can goblins. So why shouldn't we just believe in Goblins, too? After all you can't prove they don't.

""Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." --Carl Sagan

[franglais--2008]

It''s so easy being anti-Scientology, but what about other religions and even nations?

Forced abortions, whether by a religion or country, are just as bad as not allowing abortions;

Jehovah's Witnesses (and other religions?) don't like proper medical care either;

child slavery or children being abused by their priests, what's the difference?;

give me your car and you can go to heaven, or give me money and I'll name a new room in my Roman Catholic church after you;

"help me hide my money," said Enron execs, church leaders, and your friendly neighborhood Congressman;
On that note:

"leave me, or tell on me, and I'll kill you," said Scientology leaders AND more than one CIA-helped government

All I'm saying, as a card carrying ACLU member, is let people (read, "suckers") practice the religion of their choice,
and as a fan of law and order, is let prosecutors prosecute whoever breaks the law.

there is something faulty about the simplistic concept of "balanced" when one sid eof an argument is bat.... crazy: example: if I were to say that the sky is blue, and some nut comes up and says no its red, would you feel it necc to put both our opinions on television if the subject came up? It doesn't make sense to put equal weight on two opinions if one if obviously mired in insanity, dishonesty, and self-interest.

[xiloilx]

The Guy that wrote this article is an absolute Moron. Scientology is a dangerous Cult that steals money from its members and Brainwashes them with Drugs and militaristic Nonsense. If only he knew or Did 3 seconds of Research he would find out the Truth about This Cult. Scientology Ranks up there with Christian fundamentalist Child rapists and Muslim Suicide bombers. The difference is They only rob their victim and mush up their brains.

[The_happy_switcher]

But don't you think it's just better to just let them spout their nonsense and not limit their speech?

[mrozark]

Are there any supporters of Scientology anymore? I'm used to reading threads like this that had Scientologists write in about how great it is. Now I see 100% negative stuff. Scientology is dead because L. Ron Hubbard is dead. Man, that guy could talk. Good storyteller, too. Evil maniac? Yes, that too.
Worldrimroamer, you forgot the story about fitting 2 of every animal on the planet with food and fresh water supplies onto a freaking boat. Throw me a bone, people.

[TogetherinParis]

Scientology has their world headquarters in the next town of Clearwater. They stay quiet. We do not hear much about them pro or con on local news, even though members are active in local politics.
On the other hand, Wiki crazies are eager to libel ordinary people offering innocent edits with intense and profuse profanity and lots of absurd threats without even saying hello. Really nutty.
There was a masked anti-Scientology group, called 'anonymous' on U-Tube and they were pretty intense, too, but they prefer to attack Scientology as an evil cult without revealing who they are or their motives. That isn't the American way, where people really ought to be able to face their accusers on the street as well as in a court of law. I only found out about the anonymous group because they ripped off a movie I worked on once.
It seems to me that Wiki really needs to throw out the demonstrably nasty people who abuse the encyclopedia for perverse self-gratification. They need to bring some order to their website's system to stop callously threatening people viciously over insignificant trifles of information offered by novices in good faith.
I do know that wikipedia is belligerent, hostile, & venomously wacky and from personal experience with them, they seem to derive enjoyment in hurting people's feelings unnecessarily. I'm not a Scientologist and I don't know any. I don't know why their organization would engender such passionate animosity from 'anonymous' groups. The Jews suffered a similar smear campaign from anonymous 'brownshirts', but hopefully this dispute won't escalate to another world war.

[shycelticwitch]

I live in Clearwater, and if you think the Scientologists are quiet you haven't been watching or listening. They are EVERYWHERE downtown, in their little white shirt/black pants uniforms (even the ladies wear this getup). Like little robots they stuff their money in the Scientology slot machine and get their daily dose of gibberish about riding in rockets to another world where they don't need the money they are giving up. ROFLMAO!!!! Their ideology falls right in the same category as the "jihad" muslims who believe they will be rewarded with beautiful women and riches if they give their souls and lives to their religion. OMG my sides hurt I am laughing so hard!

I love John Travolta as an actor, but when he forsook God in favor of science, it is my belief (not a fact, just my belief) that he paid for that defection with his son's life. I truly hope the tragedy brings him back to reality, and helps him discover that money CANNOT buy you eternal life.

Quiet my a**... I consider them to be "sneaky, bigoted, capitalist, brainwashing terror mongers" who suck out your common sense and replace it with a rabid compulsion to give away all your assets.

[The_happy_switcher]

"I decided to look around for something else to worship. Something I could really count on.

And immediately, I thought of the sun. Happened like that. Overnight I became a sun-worshipper. Well, not overnight, you can't see the sun at night. But first thing the next morning, I became a sun-worshipper. Several reasons. First of all, I can see the sun, okay? Unlike some other gods I could mention, I can actually see the sun. I'm big on that. If I can see something, I don't know, it kind of helps the credibility along, you know? So everyday I can see the sun, as it gives me everything I need; heat, light, food, flowers in the park, reflections on the lake, an occasional skin cancer, but hey. At least there are no crucifixions, and we're not setting people on fire simply because they don't agree with us.

Sun worship is fairly simple. There's no mystery, no miracles, no pageantry, no one asks for money, there are no songs to learn, and we don't have a special building where we all gather once a week to compare clothing. And the best thing about the sun, it never tells me I'm unworthy. Doesn't tell me I'm a bad person who needs to be saved. Hasn't said an unkind word. Treats me fine. So, I worship the sun. But, I don't pray to the sun. Know why? I wouldn't presume on our friendship. It's not polite. " --George Carlin

[alegr]

Win

[Splinter4]

Brilliant! A perfect choice for this endless and mindless argument.

"God? If you do exist... PLEASE... save me from your followers!"
(one of the best bumper-stickers I've ever seen)

[gybognarjr]

Small corrections, just to be perfectly objective if we talk about Adolf Hitler, he was "an Austrian born German leader" and he put to death "millions of people, selected by their religion, race, nationality and beliefs". Aside from that, most of us have biases and few people can be objective about anything, especially in belief systems, which by nature is subjective.

[hassan_bin_sober]

Stalin had it right! ...Religion is the opiate of the masses. Spirituality is one thing; religion is just a tax exempt BS business extorting money from those too afraid to question, live their lives independently, and prefer to be lead by a priest sheepherder. It's an ignorance driven business at best, and if it weren't for all the - my way or the highway- true believers trying to ram their ideas down your throat, the world would be a much safer place!
Scientology is no different, just more ignorant BS! Human evolution, if we survive, will eventually make this voodoo medieval nonsense go the way of forgotten history. A footnote in history written on toilet paper as it well should be!.