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An 18-year-old Norwegian blogger whines on Twitter he can't download the new Dave Matthews album on iTunes because he's not in the U.S. A Warner exec soon Twitters that he should steal it and write about it on his "stupid brat blog."

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by karpenterskids April 22, 2009 4:37 PM PDT
He should do exactly what they suggested...pirate it, and detail the process in his blog.

:)
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by rrod182 April 22, 2009 4:45 PM PDT
I work in the software industry have lots of friends in the entertainment industry and these little ******** pirates are putting us slowly into the poor house. This exec called it like he saw it, good for him. Hopefully social networking will expose most of these pirates for what they are; mostly privileged little crap monsters that never had to pay for anything cause mommy and daddy got the bill, and now that they are "all growed up" they don't want to fork out a couple bucks from their coffers and trust funds to buy a legit copy of the latest Hannah Montana movie.

If you can afford a PC with terabytes of disk space and high speed internet access, I don't think a buck for a couple tracks is going to set you back much you punks. This isn't about the rich people either, its about the little guys like me that will never be a millionaire, or even make a million bucks in my entire career. I'm just trying to feed my kids and you a-holes like to steal the food off my table. I hope this Even guy gets crabs.
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by Akido37 April 22, 2009 4:52 PM PDT
Comments like this make me want to download a BitTorrent client just to steal **** from you.
by humminahummina April 22, 2009 4:58 PM PDT
You obviously didn't read the article. He tried to pay for it first and due to some stupid licensing issue with Warner Entertainment it wasn't available to him.
by servermaker April 22, 2009 4:59 PM PDT
What you said!!!! Amen.
by pithenumber April 22, 2009 5:01 PM PDT
@rrod
he wanted to get album that wasn't sold where he lives

he has to fly over to the us, buy it, and return to Norway
estimated cost of song: $5k+
by Inconnux April 22, 2009 5:12 PM PDT
Stop coding crappy bloated bugware and perhaps you would get more sales...
by DarqueMatters April 22, 2009 5:51 PM PDT
Bitter much?

It is ever so apparent that rrod182 didn't RTFA, if he did he would have noted that Even wasn't complaining that he
couldn't "Pirate" the music, he was upset over not being able to purchase said music because of where he lived.

He also made the point that not allowing the sale of said music to other locations in the world might encourage
"Piracy" but yet the artists and record companies will complain ad nauseam about "Piracy". It looks as though the
restricting of the sale of this album on ITunes to only the USA has caused a loss of a potential revenue stream
for the Artist/Label, and also a reduced revenue stream when they finally decide to release it to the rest of the
world due to their actions causing these potential customers to get their product in other ways, be they legal or illegal.

The overall tone of your posting is also telling, you present a long winded diatribe about "privileged little crap monsters" who "don't want to fork out a couple bucks from their coffers and trust funds". Just how many people do you think as a percentage of society have trust funds, not nearly enough to have any affect on the music industry if they were to all suddenly stop purchasing music and start "stealing" it.

Lastly "This isn't about the rich people either, its about the little guys like me that will never be a millionaire, or even make a million bucks in my entire career."
Really..assuming you started working at age 25, college and all...and lets say you retire early at say 60, that's 35 working years, you would only have to average
28,571.43 dollars a year to make your million. Surly someone in the software industry with lots of friends in the entertainment industry should be able to achieve these
amazingly high wages.
by docster87 April 22, 2009 5:54 PM PDT
I gather everyone in that industry has blinders on. HE WANTED TO LEGALLY BUY IT but since it wasn't offered where he lives, he was rightfully upset. Instead of jumping to false conclusions perhaps if more content was legally out on the web (world-wide???) then perhaps that would add money to your pocket. Yes, he bought a computer. Yes he has paid for internet access. Yes, he wants to pay for his music. What freaking article did you read "RROD"????? Did you even attempt to read it?

This is the real problem - the entertainment industry has stopped trying and instead of making money with good product they would rather sue for money or just have the ISP's give them money.
by rrod182 April 22, 2009 11:12 PM PDT
Hey morons I did read the article. The jerk was justifying pirating because he can't buy something in his country online. Obviously you don't understand the way the world works, when people steal **** someone else has to pay for it.
by tm_anon April 23, 2009 12:09 AM PDT
@ rrod182

Evan complained that he couldn't PURCHASE the album off of iTunes because of where he lived.

The exec called him a brat and told him to pirate it.

Who's advocating piracy here? It's certainly not Evan.

Oh, you still think it is? Maybe you should try using your head for something other than toilet paper.
by rrod182 April 23, 2009 9:43 AM PDT
OK maybe the words I'm a pirate, argg!! never came out of his mouth. But, he certainly contends that Apple has no right to complain about piracy merely because they don't make content immediately universally available. IMHO that is advocating and justifying piracy.

From the article:
"I'm pissed! iTunes is only allowing downloads of the new Dave Matthews Band album if you live in the US! And they complain about pirating."

Frankly, ***! Under what circumstances should a company not complain about piracy. Should Apple say, well its we don't sell it in Norway, so we can't complain when they steal it? NO! You guys are exactly the problem. Your mentality is that if you can't have something then steal it. What the hell is wrong with this world.
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by John_Stuart_Kill April 22, 2009 4:58 PM PDT
rrod, RTFA. He couldn't legally download the album because of his location and offhandedly commented about piracy.

Did he say he had? No. Did he say he will? No.

He wanted to put money back into industry hands and the exec spoiled it by being a ****.
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by Inconnux April 22, 2009 5:11 PM PDT
Don't forget people, you are the enemy because you don't like their rules.
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by gggg sssss April 22, 2009 5:47 PM PDT
Lets start a pool on when Pedersen will be looking for a job. LOL I pick June 1, 2009
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by baconstang April 22, 2009 5:56 PM PDT
He lost me at 'Dave Matthews'......
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by ChrisMatyszczyk April 22, 2009 6:44 PM PDT
@baconstang,

Ah, yes. Now I have some sympathy with your view....

Chris
by ddhboy April 22, 2009 6:44 PM PDT
I think the problem with music sales now is that in the past you HAD to have licensing in order to sell product in another country since no company really had the funds to spread themselves out internationally. Now we've reached to a point where digital distribution is one of the main ways of selling music, and while you don't need a license to distribute the songs internationally via this method, you still have to have a distributor for CD/Vinyl sales. Since there isn't a distributor in the world who would be willing to forgo digital distribution rights in their country, especially when it would certainly mean that the digital copy from the original production company would hit the market first, the entertainment industry has for the most part avoided what makes the most technical sense.

Anyway, the executive here was clearly wrong, and his mentality is a mere reflection of the aging business model that music, movies, and television companies continue to follow. Eventually it will fail on them and they'll have to radically reform similarly to how Napster forced MP3s into a position of dominance.
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by KC_Tan April 22, 2009 6:44 PM PDT
This is exactly the same problem that I have. I live in the Philippines and we do have iTunes, but only for the app store. We do not have music, videos or even ring tones! I know that there are problems with licensing, but there has to be some way that they can all work through it for global music distribution. I will wholeheartedly admit that I have downloaded off bittorrent music (I think I did it twice) because there was no other way I could get it.

I subsequently had to buy the two CDs for like 7000 yen (They were J-Pop CDs) instead of the half-price I could have received had I purchased it digitally at the iTunes store and the other record finally arrived here in my country after a year or two. I believe wholeheartedly that there are people out there, like the guy mentioned in the article, that want to legally purchase digital music, movies, etc. but are unable to do so and that is why they pirate.

Although I will admit that there are some people who will never pay money for these types of media, entertainment and media companies could make a whole lot more money opening up there content to people all over the world to purchase and enjoy.
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by pithenumber April 23, 2009 1:19 PM PDT
philippines use yen?
by eiroteva April 23, 2009 2:40 AM PDT
I just want to direct some attention to Eirik Solheim (eirikso.com; another Norwegian) who wrote about this some years ago, and his points are still as valid as before even if it here is music.

http://eirikso.com/2006/05/23/the-future-of-tv-distribution/
http://www.eirikso.com/2005/06/06/how-bob-the-millionaire-became-a-pirate/
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by darfjono April 23, 2009 6:56 AM PDT
Just remember, folks:

Whenever you buy a CD, this is the type of person whose paycheck you are paying.
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by stenar April 23, 2009 10:07 AM PDT
FYI: That Warner Exec didn't just call the kid a brat... "drittunge" literally means "sh?t youth" which is worse than brat.
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by ::G April 23, 2009 4:54 PM PDT
Piracy of products is actually good for capitalism. It keeps lame corporations who expect to make fat margins by producing easily copyable garbage, physical or digital, to do something different, i.e. innovate. People won't pirate if it takes them too much effort relative to the ratio of the cost to their income. (So college kids will always pirate because they have more time than money.)

I don't really condone piracy. However, I don't think it's truly evil, either. Yeah, if some college kids download your music or your app, so what, they probably wouldn't have bought it anyway. Theft is different from piracy: the author isn't losing physical matter, as he still has his original digital bits. He's losing potential profit -- which he likely wouldn't have had anyway. I have a problem with people pirating software and then making money using that software (e.g. pirating web design software and then freelancing), but that's a specific case. Should people pay? Yeah. Is it as bad as rrod182 makes it out to be? No.
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by rrod182 April 23, 2009 6:04 PM PDT
Luckily the courts don't agree with you. Regardless, piracy is illegal, and has a negative impact on the economy and society, no matter what you want to believe.

Your examples of lost sales is really dumb actually. There is really, morally no difference between piracy and theft. Neither are justifiable. A true thief would probably never buy a bunch of jewels, but he steals them for profit anyway. If society uses a "fuzzy" definition of the law then it will crumble. You can't say its ok for one guy to be a pirate and not others, thats total hypocrisy. What's worse is hold some of these schmucks up, like some sort of digital robin hoods.
by lordmorgul April 26, 2009 3:17 PM PDT
@rrod182:
You continue not to accept what everyone OUTSIDE the music industry already knows... that MOST people who illegally copy content ALSO buy significant quantities of it. There are numerous examples of this out there. You claim a 'true thief' would not pay for jewels, but the facts clearly substantiate that most downloaders buy music (just not every bit of it they acquire).

It is not ok, or morally justified, to illegally copy content; however it is in many cases logically a sound decision, as in this example in Norway. There is no legitimate (fundamental) reason why the DMB album is not available in Norway while it is available in the U.S. It is denied to that market unnecessarily as a decision the content owner has made (whether it was to do nothing about alternative distribution rights in that country, or a deliberate decision not to market it there). Having someone illegally copy content that you do not intend to sell to them is NOT DAMAGING TO YOUR INDUSTRY. No logically argument can be made that it is.

The global markets must take action to move with technology and the future of distribution mediums. The music and movie industry has been complaining non-stop for a decade about digital content distribution but is still sticking their heads in the sand and refusing to make real headway in solving the issue of how to profit from it.

In any case, you cannot hold up some idiot like this Warner Executive and say it is ok for him to behave as he did toward someone who did nothing but voice an opinion that HE WANTED TO PAY FOR CONTENT HE WAS DENIED. To say that is proper behavior for that man is utterly absurd.
by BraveNewWolrd April 24, 2009 10:10 AM PDT
Hey KID! Ever heard of TOR?!
(redirect from the EFF).
http://www.torproject.org/

Just download TOR---acquire yourself a U.S.A. IP Address, and download to your hearts content.

Although REMEMBER---you are going through someone else's proxy server---so, I'd use a "Gift Card" or some other form of Card (that's not tied to your PERSONAL Bank account---so you don't get robbed blind if that Proxy is stealing numbers, etc.). Yeah, you'll be using Encryption---but still.

Anyway, use TOR---great way to "spoof" where you're coming from (and can get the American IP address you need to download to your hearts content).

Hey Time Warner Jack off! At least I'm showing him how to pay for it---vs going
HERE: Pandora or Playlist.com, for example and getting for FREE!

bunch of clueless C.E.O. Jack Offs! to busy playing with their own fiddle...to know how to sell to 21-st century Consumers!
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