Comments on: Sexism pays: Tech CEOs astounded

Research from the University of Florida suggests that men with sexist attitudes get paid more.

[ogman]

These businesses are only becoming more sexist as companies bring in H-1bs from very sexist countries like India. The situation will get far worse before getting better.

[stedmannr]

Wow..
you epitomize xenophobia ,ignorance and racism found among ordinary citizens.

[ogman]

These businesses are only becoming more sexist as companies bring in H-1bs from very sexist countries like India. The situation will get far worse before getting better.

[jusben1369]

Nice Ogman. I don't know whether to laugh or cry when I hear someone attack the downside of ignorance and generalizations (Men who think women aren't equal) with ignorance and generalizations (Indians' are very sexist and bring that attitude into the US if we let them in)

Sheesh.

[pjhenry1216]

I do have to say I agree somewhat with ogman. In my experience, the more sexist individuals tend to be that way due to their culture. Sexism is instilled by one's upbringing and culture. If you're taught not to be sexist, you generally won't be and vice versa. There are exceptions, of course, but more often then not, your views are heavily influenced by society.

Also, I have to say that I believe that some sexism isn't so much sexism per say, but just people that take offense easily. Sometimes a joke is just a joke. I don't think that if you find a sexist joke funny that you're necessarily sexist. I make fun of my friends, but that doesn't mean I don't like them. Same thing with making sexist jokes or any other off-color jokes. A lot of times, its just for fun. I think the problem pops up when one can't tell the difference between ill-will and good humor. Granted, sometimes there really are sexist folks in the tech sector because there is a lingering bias that women don't know how to use computers, etc, etc. Though, strangely enough, I don't think thats completely the fault of the one committing it though. I think it has to do with that whole geek/jock rivalry as well. In general, women throughout most of the early years tend to go for the jock instead of the geek. I think that sometimes causes the geek to harbor ill-will towards women.

[ChrisMatyszczyk]

So, um, the geek can't get laid and is THEREFORE sexist?

Interesting theory, pjhenry.

Chris

[nike2b]

Speaking of H1Bs from India, it would be really benefitial to find out how many women that this articles speaks of were sexually harrased by H1B folks?

Also, speaking of salaries, it would be interesting to find out how many H1B folks determine the salaries of the employees in US companies?

It would also be worth finding out how many women work in Indian IT software companies, call centers and other technology industries within India or anywhere else in the world for that matter! I am sure the general assumption based on ogman's comments would be that all these women would be sexually harrashed and must be working amongst dozens of sexist men!

[William Crow]

Perhaps the social consequence of adopting those views is the abandonment of masculine motivation and drive.

[butchloew]

I think it's all a matter of viewpoint. Some poeple a too thin skinned and some have bought off on the Feminazi propaganda too much. Try holding a door open for a lady in todays society and you;d be amazed at some of the reactions you get. I think women should be paid equal pay for equal work and lighten up on the 'poor me sexually harassed ' BS. Someone gives you ****, give it right back.

[butchloew]

I think it's all a matter of viewpoint. Some poeple a too thin skinned and some have bought off on the Feminazi propaganda too much. Try holding a door open for a lady in todays society and you;d be amazed at some of the reactions you get. I think women should be paid equal pay for equal work and lighten up on the 'poor me sexually harassed ' BS. Someone gives you garbage, give it right back.

[wildhare111]

That is a seriously scary picture... I work as a help desk technician, in a very small office with 30-something males, and I have to say from the day I arrived to now, almost a year later I am still treated as if I know nothing, and what's worse, is that much of the time I am doing a bulk of the work, and getting passed up completely on congrats. To make matters worse, I came from a much higher position as an analyst working in a high profile project as a database expert, and despite the fact that I had a year of experience doing this, I was treated like a mere secretary for several months by guys who have only worked in IT on a customer service or help desk level. Am I kidding? I wish! As for the trogs who want to imagine that all women being discriminated against are pseudo-feminazi lesbians who want to take over the office and paint all computers pink, I challenge you to a duel. The fact is my background is far more diverse than many tech men who I have met, and can only do half of what I have done throughout my lifetime. I deserve and expect to be treated E-Q-U-A-L-Y not like some little girl who just stepped out of a japanese anime hacker movie. Sutekina desune?

And for the guys who I work with, they are fairly liberal socially, with possible political conservatism, but hardly traditional. In working on the project in the past I worked with a team of developers who were all implants from North and South India, and all of whom were quite reserved at the fact that they were dealing with a girl half their age, and my ex-military lesbian African American boss. Welcome to America Boys!

[desicnetuser]

wildhare111,

Didn't want to bring this up...but are you talking about the same supposedly 'forward minded generally non-sexist' american society that in its more than 200 years history had NEVER HAD a FEMALE president !!!!
And are you criticizing the supposedly narrow minded mostly sexist cultured indian society which in a span of 50 years history of becaming a democratic republic has elected a female Prime minister (Indira Gandhi), who was not only popular, but respected and admired by the most of the nation, and also the country whose current president is a FEMALE (Prathibha Patil)....

Please grow up!! And try not to generalize a whole nation and its culture based on (mis)conceived perception about a few people that you interacted with.

And though I don't know exactly the kind of attitude you had to deal with those H1B people you worked with, can I ask you when did "reserved" nature = 'sexist' attitude!

Did it ever occur to you that these H1B people from India come from a generally reserved (not sexist!) , not outspoken, non aggressive culture into a new country, new workplace, new attitudes, etc. And though most of them are very proficient in English, they are often not as eqally proficient in the oral communication aspects, eloquency or accent etc and are quite often misunderstood or have to repeat themselves trying hard to get rid of their indian accent. And it takes time for them to get into the grove and communicate freely with the peers. More so for people who are in their middle ages (Since the latest Indian generation is no longer strangers to the western culture)

No wonder you found them reserved!!