Comments on: JavaOne: Sun rolls out JavaFX

Rich Internet application environment, part of company's effort to enable consumers to innovate, is set to compete with Adobe Systems' AIR and Microsoft's Silverlight.

[andrew.mager]

I dunno how I feel about this. I think Sun is late to the party.

Nevertheless, good post, Mr. Super Blogger.

[skurewu]

Interesting that it will run on Android. Will Google include it as part of their standard library?

[jamshid]

Pardon the rant... That's funny, the demo kept crashing because of "the new Java Update 10 browser plug-in".

What, not a lot of talk about J2ME? I'll always wonder why they bothered renaming it to JavaME, since it wasn't going anywhere. And where do they get off claiming that 85% of mobile phones will run JavaFX? Maybe new phones coming out in 2010, so that means nothing.

I think it's very telling that when it came to creating the Android JVM, Google said "move!" and made one themselves instead of using anything from Sun.

One of Sun's big failings around mobile technology was letting J2ME suck so much. The other was letting handset makers release phones that couldn't be upgraded to fix all the bugs and limitations that make J2ME suck so much.

Sorry to hate on Sun so much, but J2EE is crap, overhyped, sprawling technology born in and reflecting an age of Irrational exuberance.

Mostly though I hate the way Sun held mobile technology back by 4 years -- it shouldn't have taken the iphone to start the mobile revolution, we should be years into it by now . Good thing Apple was there to pick up Sun's slack, and let's hope Google keeps Apple open.

Just because JavaFX is the better technology does not mean that it will prevail easily. Microsoft and Adobe have done an excellent job creating fanboys in every forum out there making noise about solutions that otherwise nobody would care about.

[Commentor5]

I have to strongly disagree that J2EE (now JEE) is not crap. I think this is a very good server-side platform.

Anyway ...I think JavaFX is going to fall flat on its face for web applictions if it requires people to download the Java RE and install on their PC. I think most people would not be willing to do this. They will just simply say "Oh ..forget that" ..and go to another page.

I am also not sold on Java as a desktop platform. Most people do not have Java RE installed on their PCs and it is a hassle for most PC users.

Server-side Java, on the other hand, is great I think.

[jmdecombe]

Been there, done that. Java on the client never worked really well for the customer; it was always a pain in the ass (plugin installation, scary certification dialog, slow loading time, etc.). The reason is because people at Sun, at least those in charge, never really believed in nor cared about Java on the client. Too late guys... see you in another life or in a parallel universe.

[jinx101a]

Perhaps these "fanboys" are fans of Adobe and MS because they've made products that are easy to develop feature rich projects with. Perhaps some people like developing with their products and something is to be said of for that. The idea that their "fanboys" simply because the companies want them to be that way certainly a heavily biased comment from the outset. You just assume that everyone whose anyone should hate anyone on another side of the fence than Java. If Java wants to rule languages (and there is poetential that it could) the elitest mentality will need to change in it's community.

[WulfTheSaxon]

Everybody forgets about Mozilla Prism...