Comments on: Nvidia CEO goes on Intel rant

At his company's financial analyst day, Jen-Hsun Huang rails against Intel, citing his frustration with Nvidia's market share struggle among other things.

[Mam00th]

Well it's kind of easy to understand his frustration because the way it goes, nvidia graphic cards are used mainly for games as integrated graphic chip can do most of the everyday use.

[sonymaster101]

What!!???? used mainly for games? a seperate gpu in any case is always several times more powerful than integrated graphics. and there si absolutely NO comparison between a 9800 gtx- in SLI and integrated graphics. can integrated graphics play blu ray above hd- or at ALL? is integrated graphics good for AUTOCAD or 3d design? why do major imaging companies that edit photos use gpus, and not integrated graphics? the point is integrated graphics suck at everyhing, while a gpu rocks at everthing. that coment just sounds like it came from someone who didnt know what they were talking about.

[Penguinisto]

'sonymaster':

FYI: most 3D/CG design and animation rendering is done in the CPU, not the GPU. While the GPU can do rendering, it is often inferior to results made by CPU. The reason is two-fold... RAM and capacity. A CPU w/ a few GB of RAM is a lot more capable of rendering an image than a GPU (even w/ SLI) and a few hundred megs.

Now note that the term 'rendering' has two meanings - in gaming and video, it is the presentation of a 2D image from 3D data onto the monitor or screen. In 3D/CG, it is the processing of that information into a image file, or as frames in a video file.

In 3D design and CG artwork, vidcards are mainly used as a way to better judge or preview the work in a better light, but has little to do w/ that final result. This is (slowly) changing as GPU tech improves, but a pure GPU-borne render is 2nd-class compared to one generated by the CPU.

/P

[ja-watson]

The statements from Intel ring particularly hollow in light of the fact that evidence recently made public in court reveals that it was Intel and their 915 graphic chipset which couldn't even run the Vista Aero interface, which caused massive technical and political problems for Microsoft, and are still causing legal problems for them.

[Penguinisto]

Not a lot of chipsets [i]can[/i] run that bloated hog of an eye-candy set... and Microsoft made their own legal bed by being dumb enough to slap a "Vista Capable" sticker on the chipset regardless of being warned otherwise.

[eightwings]

Nvidia needs no lessons from either Intel or AMD. It can make its own multicore CPU and kick Intel's ass. Both Intel and AMD have made the fateful decision to go the multithreaded route and it's turning out to be a colossal mistake. They are now in a panic because multthreaded applications are a real pain in the ass to write and maintain. Nvidia has the opportunity of a lifetime to show the industry how it should be done. There is a way to design a self-balanced multicore processor that incorporates the advantages of MIMD and SIMD parallelism without their disadvantages. To find out why multithreading is not part of the future of parallel computing, Google "Nightmare on Core Street".

[Mam00th]

@eightwings
You seem to forget that intel manufacturing technology is way beyond what Nvidia have. And as of multrithreaded application being "a pain in the ass" I have to disagree. Of course it's harder, but you do get used to it and as for the article saying that no one know how to do it efficiently and that so much money is wasted in research, I would say that the person who wrote that isn't very up to date or severly biaised since more and more function such as Parallel.For are comming out speeding up multicore application without having to write a bunch of code.

[zgreenwell]

Intel is just talking too much. Lets wait and see what they're able to produce and then, if they're good, maybe they can start talking. Its not like Nvidia is going to sit on their hands while Intel is developing these new chipsets. Maybe Intel's new integrated graphics will be good enough that people can finally switch to HD computer displays and play HD video, but are people still going to need more power to get the framerates they want in the latest games? Probably so. This is Intel's attempt to catch up with where the market is right now. Maybe once these come out people will finally be able to move away from the low res monitors we've all been stuck using for so long.

[itstheoldindy]

I support 3D simulation software, and I always groan inwardly when I get a user with Intel-based video. They've been nothing but trouble, even when their specs say they meet the requirements of our software. When Intel can actually make a product that actually does what it says it does, they can bluster about blowing the established graphics card makers out of the water.

As a user, the X3100 is what's stopping me from buying a Macbook. I'll either save up for the Pro model with the GeForce 8600, or wait for them to put a real graphics card in the little one.

[mdntcallr]

Honestly, Nvidia is right. Intel is playing hard politics by making PC makers use their cheap integrated graphics chips solutions. which offer horrible performance, but the ability for computers to come working, but not on anything requiring graphics use and gaming beyond basic stuff.

Computer makers ought to use more than intel GPU integrated chips, they stink and have caused alot of problems with Vista, as well as their increasing use is causing smaller companies like Nvidia to feel the pain.

intel integrated is to nvidia as
toyota corolla is to luxury car.

Intel graphics is suitable for word and excel doing basic functions. Please don't try to strain the poor dear with videos or 3D anything. But count on intel to market some of their "benchmarks" that will claim its as fast as a 8800gtx.

[DrtyDogg]

Intel is making promises about the future, no statement about the past. Me, I personally believe that they will start making leaps and bounds in the area of integrated graphics over the next few years. they've already shown that they can stick more cores in one chip than the average program requires let alone can use.
It is just the next logical step for them to utilize them for graphics and possibly physics. Just speculation, but imagine a 8 3GHZ core processor running on a 64Bit OS with 8GB of RAM. One of those 3GHZ processors is dedicated to graphics plus 1GB of RAM. Another processor is dedicated to Physics. Sounds powerful to me.
Again this is just speculation based on the marketing promises of Intel.

[camel485]

Rengek i totally agree with you. The cheap bargain chips in intels omtherboards cant do crap. The day they come out with an integrated chip that is as powerful as a discrete GPU, nvidia's gpus will be 50 times faster.

[SkyStrike2001]

But if intel thinks that discrete graphics cards are unnecessary, i dare them to design their new motherboards without the graphics card slot.

That will give them a show of hands of how many people think that discrete graphics cards IS necessary.

[Dr_Zinj]

Integrated graphics are fine for standard office application uses. Never seen one worth the silicon it's embedded in when it comes to seamless video, massive multi-threaded calculations, or intensive games (which use both) though.

[JDog2pt0]

Integrated graphics will never match up to what a good old fashioned graphics card can do, no matter how powerful it is. We're talking about a chip that is supposed to share resources among everything else happening on the computer and is supposed to be just as good if not better to an entire piece of hardware many times larger with all of its own resources dedicated solely to the purposed for which it was built i.e. handling all the visuals on the computer. Intel is using is size to bully Nvidia and agreeably is not playing fair with incredibly bloated claims that I have yet to see actually happen. For all I care, Intel can go and shove it. I would like to see Nvidia win, it would deal a large blow to Intel's overinflated ego. Unfortunately though, Intel's sheer size makes them the likely winner. Only time will tell.