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Change the word processor's most enervating default settings to your liking.

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by MTGrizzly December 11, 2007 2:54 PM PST
You can do all this, or switch to a better app... I, personally, lost patience with Word when the "Clippy" avatars started showing up.

I build templates in my page layout app and then just type in them. Oh, and, since I use a Mac, (primarily, my Mac also boots into XP) - I use Pages in iWork. I am a professional author and it does everything I need. And costs only $70 to buy...

Someday Microsoft will give up and feature overloaded apps and come back to the real world....
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by catch23 December 11, 2007 4:41 PM PST
Just because you have the authoring needs of your average middle school student, please don't lump the rest of the world into the same bucket.

The real world uses a lot of features not found in iWork(or any of the other packages, for that matter), which is why we don't use them

Maybe you'll one day graduate to needing the feature set, but I somehow doubt it.
by Motyoj December 12, 2007 10:07 AM PST
I agree with MTGriz. I have a Mac and I use iWork as well. My Mac at work has Office on it and frankly, I hardly use it anymore. I think the overloaded comment was dead on. I am in the newspaper business and I can get a lot done with iWork and will not be upgrading my Office software next month. It's not bad software but it IS expensive and a bit more than the average person needs in my opinion.
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by b_baggins December 12, 2007 12:18 PM PST
Turn off smart quotes. Yeah, let's just eviscerate typography because HTML is crap. Word calls them smart quotes, but they're really typographer's quotes. You know, from back in the day when material was printed and typography meant something.
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by DiSHdesigner December 12, 2007 12:29 PM PST
I am a typographer, and I have to respectfully disagree with Mr. O'Reilly's recommendation for the masses to turn off smart quotes. The reason is simple: it promotes inaccurate use of punctuation. I doubt anyone would seriously recommend replacing all the question marks used in a text with, say, left brackets. Straight quotes and curly quotes are not simply stylistic variants of each other. They are literally different punctuation marks, although visually very similar. ?Curly quotes? are for quotations, and "straight" quotes (or "prime" marks) indicate measurements (' = feet, " = inches in the English system).

Punctuation symbols have meanings and proper usages that have evolved over centuries. To corrupt them simply because we are now too lazy to overcome the mundane technological hurdles we have imposed upon ourselves is a poverty of our culture. Word will export HTML of curly quotes with the correct embedded codes to read properly in browsers if you simply learn how to use the tool. It takes seconds if you care enough.

This is indicative of a larger, insidious cultural by-product of the desktop publishing revolution: the software industry has trained computer users to care more about their own ease of production of communications than the needs of the readers of those communications. Nobody learns anymore (other than specialists and graphic designers) how people read and what makes that reading easier, more productive, and more accurate. But people will surely get upset if you tell them they can't slather text from one side of the page all the way to the other in their Word files with 0.25" margins. The DTP mantra is ?Screw the reader, this is how I work, I can ?fit more on the page? this way, and I'm not changing....? Sad.

(By the way, the ?fit more on the page? excuse is blatant horse waste: take any Word file you've created, change it to a 2-column layout and count the words per page before and after....you'll see that multiple columns actually increases what you can fit on a page while also reducing line length and making reading easier in most cases....I use this here as an example only because it's the one I hear most from belligerent desktop publishers I'm often hired to re-train.)

Microsoft recognized the lack of concern for correct usage of these punctuation marks among its users when developing Word. And in a rare instance of cultural responsibility, Redmond built in the AutoCorrect entry for quote marks specifically to remove the technological hurdles to using them correctly. To undermine that due to ignorance and indifference is poor advice. Leave them on, learn how to use all the tools in your publishing chain thoroughly, and get serious about your communications.
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by jture December 12, 2007 1:08 PM PST
A good web design program will convert MS Word's "bad" code for curly quotes into proper HTML code. Dreamweaver does this, automatically turning the quotes into “ and ”. I don't have to do anything.
by DiSHdesigner December 12, 2007 12:35 PM PST
Ha!.....

Note how in my previous comment, the user interface of this comment system allows me to input straight versus curly quotes as I type, but displays the curlies incorrectly. We should be able to expect better from c|net, a technology leader, no?
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by DiSHdesigner December 12, 2007 12:43 PM PST
Hmmm...Scratch that: after a refresh, they're displaying correctly again...in all browsers. Strange, but encouraging.

I can see we're on the same page here, b_baggins...Our replies crossed in cyberspace. Uppity Typographers Unite!
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by sandrob57 December 13, 2007 2:55 AM PST
>> Tomorrow: A simple solution for pasting plain text.

I'll ruin it for you.

Edit > Paste Special > Unformatted Text
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by doreilly December 13, 2007 9:49 AM PST
Too many clicks for me. The free PureText utility requires only one click and a keyboard shortcut. And next week I'll describe how to create a Word macro that converts Ctrl-V to plain paste.
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by Rodzilla December 13, 2007 10:47 AM PST
FREE Office replacement project.

For those of us who don't want to go to a mac - but need a great word ( office) replacement program. go to openoffice.org and download openoffice. I have Office - and for most tasks I prefer Openoffice. It has a word processor - database - spreadsheet - powerpoint type application and more. They are VERY office compatible. Also included is a PDF generator right on the tool bar next to printer Icon, a VERY helpful and welcome addition in my opinion.
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by sandrob57 December 13, 2007 3:03 PM PST
>> Too many clicks for me. The free PureText utility...

There is an app for everything these days, holy hell
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by b93950 April 27, 2008 1:24 PM PDT
Punctuation fonts are not recognized when posting online using MS Word 2002 and Mozilla browser:

They appear as follows:
All I can say is that it?s about time these?.

When they should look like this:
All I can say is that it?s about time these?
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