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Comments on: Amazon's right on Vista SP1

Microsoft says that, contrary to its Monday statement yesterday, online retailers will indeed have boxed copies of the OS starting this week. Amazon will be able to ship its copies, as it had promised, starting tomorrow.

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Vista outsider doesn't understand
by johnnydfred March 18, 2008 9:43 PM PDT
OK. A Mac-user. And I don't get it. Vista SP1 is...for sale? Do
people have to PAY for it? A service pack containing fixes and
upgrades? How much does this fix cost? How much is the next one?
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It's Free
by wilsonckm March 19, 2008 4:34 AM PDT
No, It's a free download.
Free upgrade
by EcuadorHomesOnline March 19, 2008 5:08 AM PDT
They are just saying that the packaged boxes will now include the SP1 version instead of the original version. The upgrade is free for current users, as always. I've been using Vista for a year and it has never gone into "Mac Emulation Mode" (ie, no crashes)
You should be used to it
by jrm125 March 20, 2008 5:54 AM PDT
As a Mac user, you should be used to paying for upgrades. How many iterations of OSX are there now with very little difference between them?
HP Now Selling SP1-Preinstalled Computers
by john55440 March 19, 2008 8:45 AM PDT
I just checked HP's web site (Home & Home Office Store), and they are now selling computers with "Windows Vista Home Premium with Service Pack 1" preinstalled.
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Vista is dangerous
by FalseToU March 19, 2008 11:00 AM PDT
VISTA is fine if your don't mind Microsoft and other vendors disabling your software when they think its time for you to buy their latest "upgrade" -or if you don't mind MS altering and deleting files remotely from your PC. Please research before you comment.

Before you allow VISTA into your home, do a little research. Google Palladium, Longhorn, Kill-switch, Fritz-chip, etc. and follow the (non-microsoft) links within the links.

VISTA is the first step to DRM on Steroids - DRM on EVERYTHING in your PC. It should be called "Microsoft Snoop & Poop in your PC".

WinLiveID is capable of the same thing with older software. Look before you leap!
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My Research shows...
by wjsteele March 20, 2008 2:34 AM PDT
Let's see here. Did a Google search on Longhorn. The VERY FIRST ARTICLE I found on it describes what Palladium is. http://www.winsupersite.com/faq/longhorn.asp

The "Fritz-Chip" is actually called the "Trusted Platform Module" and it is a chip that allows a computer to securely store information. Why would you think this is a bad thing? I personally prefer that when I want a document protected that it is secured in a fashion that can not be cracked by someone else. These technologies allow me to do just that.

The only reason people don't like DRM is the fact that it makes them pay for legimite works from an author, like music and software, if the author of that work prefers it that way. Pirates hate DRM because it defeats their ability to get these works for free.

The US Constitution explicitly gives an author the rights to their own works and inventions. How else can we defend the rights of authors for their work in the digital age without some form of digital protection systems?

With the "Kill-Switch", apparently Microsoft also changed that with SP1 to make it a lot easier to use and understand, but it is still their right to defend the software they wrote from unauthorized users.

Bill
Ignore it if you wish, but don't mislead others
by FalseToU March 20, 2008 11:43 AM PDT
Why do you think they CHOSE that name?? It has a built-in, but very misleading meaning. It has one meaning for vendors, but for YOU and ME it means exactly the opposite!

From an article on web on TC Trusted Computing - research it (on sites OTHER than "The Trusted Computing Group's" propaganda site). Get some objective information. From one such site:
http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html

"The Trusted Computing Group (TCG) is an alliance of Microsoft, Intel, IBM, HP and AMD which promotes a standard for a `more secure' PC. Their definition of `security' is controversial; machines built according to their specification will be more trustworthy from the point of view of software vendors and the content industry, but will be less trustworthy from the point of view of PC owners. In effect, the TCG specification will transfer the ultimate control of your PC from you to whoever wrote the software it happens to be running. (Yes, even more so than at present.)"

The following is a subtle way of saying that freeware authors will be locked out unless they pay an exhorbitant fee to Microsoft - meaning no more freeware for users - that is also one of MS's goals:

"TC will protect application software registration mechanisms, so that unlicensed... (i.e. "free")... software will be locked out of the new ecology."

Stopping freeware is a large part of "Trusted Computing" for vendors who are trying to SELL software that is often no better than the free offerings.

And so-called "piracy" is MS's public excuse. This technology gives them the ability to disable your older, but legitimately purchased software whenever they decide they want to coerce/force you into purchasing it again - in their newest version. Think they won't do that? They ALREADY HAVE (using WinLiveID as the vehicle, since it wasn't a "vista-ready" app.)! WinLiveID is nearly as dangerous as vista.

AND the Intel vPro chip allows them to detect your PC, remotely turn it ON in the middle of the night, "inventory" your hardware and software VERSIONS (yes, it specifically says "versions") and "bring them into compliance" by reinstalling any remote management software you have disabled, (IE Snoop & Poop in your PC) - and then disable anything they don't want you to have, including a legitimately purchased old software VERSION, and then return your PC to the state it was in (off, hibernate, etc.). And all of this takes place secretly in the dead of night, hiding its tracks so you won't know (except of course, for disabled programs and disappeared files). Don't believe it??? Read Intel's White Paper on the abilities of this "vista-ready" mobo chip at:
http://download.intel.com/products/vpro/whitepaper/crossclient.pdf?ppc_cid=EC2DSynQ11H08us_A

Don't be misled by Microsoft's and so-called "Trusted" Computing Group's (TCG) propaganda on their websites. Dig deeper for the truth. It is for VENDORS to trust that you will HAVE to buy their software because there won't be freeware any longer that does the same thing better.

Microsoft's goals for "vista-ready" are:

1. Give application vendors a chance to remotely snoop and poop in your pc whenever that app starts up, including disabling the app if they have a new version out that they want to force you to purchase and altering or deleting files. Stopping "piracy" is just one by-product of the primary goal of OVERALL CONTROL.

2. Stop applications from writers of free software from being able to run on your machine - without a monthly fee to microsoft, which will no doubt be passed on to you. Bye bye freeware.

3. Marry this to the motherboard hardware (fritz-chip) so (a) you can't disable it, and (b) they can find your machine and turn it on whenever they wish (even secretly in the dead of night) and "inventory your hardware and software VERSIONS" (yes, it SAYS "versions") and
"bring it into compliance" (re-install any remote management software you have disabled), in order to accomplish items 1. and 2.

I built a new (fritz-chip-free AMD) PC, bought XP Home SP2 RETAIL version, and all the software I think I might need it the future - just to keep VISTA off of my PC. When XP stops working, I'll look at Linux or MAC or whatever has come out in anticipation of a mass user revolt against Big Brothers.

My advice is to protect yourself - don't get a PC with an Intel vPro chip and don't use VISTA or WinLiveID. Research it IN DEPTH yourself (not just on MS & TCG propaganda sites); ignore it if you wish - but when the sky falls, think back and remember you were offered good info.

Will your Vista-ready apps run if you don't let them have unrestricted access to the internet?
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