Comments on: Microsoft chops Vista retail prices

In a practically unheard of move, Microsoft is cutting the price of several boxed versions of its desktop operating system. Some analysts are scratching their head over Redmond's latest decision.

[J. Blow]

The main problem?

Besides the fact that it isn't as good as XP, why 6 versions? Totally confusing and unnecessary. Please - 2 versions or even just one.

I'm still waiting for SP2 anyway.

[Rialtus]

But wait!

It's actually worse than the 6 versions, because businesses with Software Assurance can get Windows Vista Enterprise, making a total of seven different flavors of Windows Vista.

[Commander_Spock]

Well, if you think that "6 Versions of VISTA is totally....

... confusing and unnecessary..." - What do you have to say about having 360 Plus (and counting) "LINUX DISTRIBUTIONS" from which to make your/that "choice". ;-) !

[ferretboy88]

sp1 is not even out yet

sp1 is not even out yet and you all ready think its done. Vista has sold over 50 million retail copies. OS10.5 has sold only 3 million. Vista has not even started yet. Everyone knows to wait for sp1 first.

[jaxons1]

So many Versions

MS is the 900 lb gorilla and they want to control the OS market, as they have to date. The many versions, are to be able to increase Market Share in the OS marketplace, competing with all the other OS's, Mac, linnux, etc. They want to capture the market from the low end wage earner to the highest corporate and governmental markets at home and abroad. Remember Bill Gates is a Lawyer first and a Billionare second, just like all the other 900 lb gorilla's. Vista turns out to be a little monkey, I wonder how that happened?

[baggyguy1218]

This is Economics 101

If a product is selling at a certain price point, dropping the price would be effective if sales were beginning to stagnate for the OEM box. If box sales are sluggish or non-existant, the price should say constant. Consumers will not pay for something they do not want no matter the price. Only the consumer willing to pay for an upgrade will buy, and buy at any price.

Now I see this idea of a decrease in value as a problem with sales, not an increase in demand. I agree with Mr. Silver; Dropping the price to PC makers would have been a home run, if I were an IT director, I would look at this a bad sign of slow migration by consumers and would have no clear desire to upgrade. Even if there was a real need.

[coryschulz]

Econ 101

Looks like someone was working off of the wrong supply and demand chart and didn't find a proper equilibrium price.

Not only is OS X Leopard better, but it's still cheaper than Vista. Too bad you can't install it on PCs. :P

[Galaxy5]

Gee, that's funny...

"...while Home Premium falls to $129, from $159."

Apple charges $129.00 for Mac OS X Leopard, which has more
features than Home Premium.

I'd love to know what sales breakdowns of the individual
versions of Vista are versus Mac OS X, both bundled and
standalone. I'll bet Apple has a LOT more of the "home
premium" market than their 4% of the OS share might suggest.

[Hernys]

Obvious

> I'll bet Apple has a LOT more of the "home premium" market than their 4% of the OS share might suggest.

90% of Apple machines are sold to homes. And they are clearly a premium offering (mostly due to the hardware premium).
So I think it is obvious that a company must have a higher market share in its exclusive niche than in the full market. It's math 101.

[vista46]

CHOP IT? DUMP IT AND START OVER!!!

VISTA IS YET ANOTHER CRUEL JOKE FROM THE SLOPPY NERDS IN REDMOND. Instead of dropping the price, they need to re-do this unholy abortion foisted on the computing public! HOW ABOUT A FREEKIN TOTAL REFUND, MISTER BILL? Then I can go buy XP.

No surprises here; Microslop continues to spew out not-ready-for-primetime garbage; half-baked and unpalatable.

Very unimpressed with this Shasta cola without any fizz. Microsoft still sucks; they will always be numbah one in that department.

And the joke plays on. The gang that can't seem to grasp the concept of releasing clean, logical OS on the FIRST TRY has struck yet again.

I WANT MY MONEY BACK. PERIOD.

[Hernys]

Why?

It works perfectly for me. I have no problems with it whatsoever?
Why would they refund it to you? What's the specific problem you have that would justify a refund? If it works just fine for me on my two year old hardware, I think it's user error more than OS error what you have.
By the way, your Vista license grants you the rigt to downgrade to XP. So you already got what you are asking for, courtesy of the company you are criticizing.

[MickBurke]

Cheap turds sell better than expensive turds

Who cares, just give me XP SP3 so I don't have to install 95 patches every time I install XP on a new machine!

[richto]

Thats not true. Linux is poo and its 'free'and still no one uses it.

Thats not true. Linux is poo and its 'free' and still no one uses it.

nb - XP SP3 release candidate is publically available from Microsoft.

[Leria]

Yes, this is the news that I have been waiting for

Now, when Microsoft ships out SP1, I am going to jump onto it like a shark pouncing on a fish bleeding gallons!

It has finally gotten Home Premium to the price range that I thought it should be at. Now, they just have to cut the price for Office 2007, and I will be an exceedingly happy camper.

To those who are saying that "Vista is a turd!".... Have you even used it? I have been using it for a year, and the only thing that I have a problem with is DEP, which I turned on for every program and that hits me sometimes because some programs trigger DEP.

[phattycow]

Get real

"Now, when Microsoft ships out SP1, I am going to jump onto it like a shark pouncing on a fish bleeding gallons!"

Are you for freaking real? Was price the only factor stopping you from using that mediocre OS? I purchased a Vista Capable laptop for my mother and got burned over the POS OS. Do you work for MS? Possibly as a contractor?

[gerrrg]

you bought office 2007?

It really escapes me, why people are willing to spend money on software, only to complain about the cost and never try something that is free...

as in OpenOffice.org, or Google Docs.

[TheZorch]

To Little Too Late

If they think this is going to save them and Vista they have another thing coming. Now matter how low a price it is nobody is going to use that OS. Its Beta ware at the least, and at the most alpha ware as far as I'm concern after hearing about the guy who had been in charge of developing Vista and how he rushed the programmers into releasing the OS so he could get a sign-on bonus with his new job at Amazon.com. Vista should never have shipped when it did, it wasn't ready and never will be until Microsoft takes out all of the DRM.

[gerrrg]

yeah right...

Like MS is going to remove DRM from anything. They're the #1 software company that's going after piracy.

And you must be kidding if you think MS needs to be saved. They have a market capitalization of $260 billion, a profit margin of 30%, an operating margin of 40%, and earnings of $1.76 per share. As measured by market capitalization, they're one of the largest public companies out there. The largest being Exxon Mobil, their profit margin is 10%.

[richto]

Other than....

Other than the 100+ Million users who are already running it you mean?

I cant see what any DRM in Vista has to do with it being ready for release.

[Leria]

DRM this, DRM that... get off the DRM scam

And tell me when have you EVER had problems with the DRM scheme in Vista.... Personally, I rip DVD's that I buy legally and resize them for travel, and I have not had ONE instance where Microsoft's DRM scheme bit me..... not one.

The only DRM that I have come across in Vista is the activation DRM for Windows Vista itself.... which I only had to do ONCE.

[Seaspray0]

clueless

Until you understand what DRM is, you won't undertand where it is. Digital Rights Management is process that encodes data so you can't read it unless you have a valid certificate. IT'S IN THE DATA. Data includes things like songs you download from places like itunes and rhapsody. Yes, you heard me right. The only component the operating system needs is the method to decode the data using the certificate. This is one reason only ipods, and not other mp3 players, can play tunes from itunes... mp3 players do not have the decoding routine. Vista is not full of DRM, it only contains the decoding routines used to decrypt the data that contains DRM. Vista will be happy to play your mp3's that do not have DRM.

Does vista have DRM? Yes. It has one. The only DRM it does contain is related to the code from your certificate of authenticity.

[maxoutkast]

Curious

Hmmm. Vista Home Premium is now the price of Leopard.

[assclownbush]

You can make it FREE....

and consumers will still refuse to install this garbage.

[richto]

I assume you must be going from the example of Linux

I assume you must be going from the example of Linux.

Because Vista already sold well over 100 million copies.

[allen_a]

this is an easy one

I'm suprised the editor didn't know this. The reason MS is doing this is due to virtualization. Small businesses and even individuals who are using virtual machines have to buy new copies of operating systems (no upgrades here).

Get with the times cnet! virtualization is becoming more and more mainstream.

[Imalittleteapot]

Vista bores me.

I got a new computer and I used Vista for a month. It ran fine. I don?t like the side bar, the new start menu, or IE 7. Vista isn?t horrible. It?s alright. It was just boring. I poked it, I prodded it, but it didn?t do anything. So I installed Fedora to play with compiz.

Aero is cool, but all other new features are invisible to the average user. Search indexing helps me none. All my documents are in My Documents folder. It really doesn?t take all that to find them. My music also happens to be in a folder called My Music. I know, I?m a rebel.

The other problem is all the features that were supposed to be in Vista, and never made it. I don?t know what WinFS was. For some reason Microsoft thought I wanted to tag my all my data so I can find it. If I?m tagging it I probably already know where it is.

Or they wanted programmers to create some sort of schema for every data type so it?ll fit nicely into a relational data base that they can access in an Object Oriented way just so I can search for my music that I already know is in my Music Folder.

Maybe someone else can explain what this WinFS thing was.

I think Microsoft got off track with so many things that Vista ended up being a pretty GUI and not much else the average user would notice.

I think they could cut the price all day and it wouldn't matter. Vista doesn't really do anything.

[sanjayb]

Mostly agree

I agree with most of your points. However, I think the search capabilty is one of the best things in Vista. Yes it's good if u keep all your docs in the My Documents folder, however, I find the search useful for launching programs. The Start menu can be pretty cluttered if you are installing a lot of apps. Typing the first few letters of a program to launch it saves alot of time.

[cross platform]

Well XP Bores Me

The way it works and trhe way it looks well seem like something that was designed in the last century. And well the fact of the matter is it was!

[oyster11]

true

You're right. Vista isn't a disaster, it's just a bloated pig with no valuable features. I guess that I have a simple attitude: I payed for a decent processor and graphics card - why don't you let ME decide how they're used?

[rcrusoe]

Microsoft "explained" this recently

in some internal emails they had to release to the courts.

One said, (more or less) "People buy a pc, not an operating
system."

The days when you HAVE to buy Windows to do business, etc.
are over. The days when you don't know or care what operating
system you run are just around the corner.

Computers are becoming a commodity like a telephone. People
just want something that "just works". This, IMO, explains in
part why Apple is seeing unprecedented marketshare growth
while Microsoft (& Dell, etc) is cutting prices.

If it works well, we'll buy it, if it doesn't we won't.

[Sumatra-Bosch]

Want Shocking? Check the Price Differential Between Apple and Windows PCs

The Apple market growth numbers are impressive - would be with comparable pricing but what is stunning is that Apple PCs are pulling away from Windows machines while maintaining, what, a 50% price premium? The Macs are pricey. Most all of these sales are probably to people on their 2nd to 9th computer and who have just given up on Windows. And they won't be coming back any time soon.

[Sumatra-Bosch]

Barphware Would Be Overpriced If MSFT Gave It Away

Face it: Vista is the Zune operating systems.

Ballmer could throw every chair in the world and still no one would want it.

[Leria]

Funny

Then why have they sold over 50 million UPGRADE copies of Vista? Get a life, no one is buying your anti-MS ******** anymore.... they have realized, as I have, that it is sour grapes from someone who sees what a grand success Microsoft is, even though their operating system (like all others) is nowhere near perfect.

[Hoodgrown_Magazine]

From the Outside Looking in...

First of all let me state.. that I'm a Mac user (not a fanboy... well sometimes but definitely not Anti-Mircosoft) so from an outsider looking in perspective... the people that I do know looking to upgrade where never sure what version of Vista they should upgrade to.

I think one of the problems is that Microsoft releases too many versions of it's operating system and thereby confusing potential users. I think the path to upgrade needs to be more cut and dry.

[Lee in San Diego]

Spot on!

n/t

[Kings X Rocks!]

Now, don't yell at me...

But, anyone owning/purchasing a PC that can't make sense of the various Vista versions needs to seriously consider moving to OS-X.

Deciphering the features among the versions is not rocket science.

Bashing Microsoft has always been considered a sport by many.

[winstein]

It was stupid princing in the first place.

If you buy a new PC, you get Vista preloaded with no additional cost.

If you build your own PC, you could get an OEM Vista Ultimate for under $200.

So why would anyone with the right mind pay over $300 for a copy of boxed Vista? Even the boxed upgrade costs more than the full OEM version.

Then again, why would anyone pay for an OS for the pretty interface and doesn't work on older hardware?

[Ted Miller]

I would rather pay the high price for XP Pro

Even the XP home edition would have been worth the money over what Vista has to offer.

I really feel that microsoft thinks of me as a stupide idiot to offer me some crap like Vista. I bought it, I use it and I am totaly insulted by it. I wish I could sue them for defamation of character.

It would have been good for them to fine tune XP a bit. I mean JUST a bit. It works and makes the nation run well. I feel Vista has put the breaks on my creativity. I connot even use a textured background like I can in XP. Vistas background choices are just to noisey and gives me a headache.

Please Microsoft if you read these things, don't drop XP Pro for another five years and just improve it abit. Besides I also build many ITX embedded computers for biomedical machines that need XP as an operating system. How in the world am I expected to fit Vista on these anyway??? Or even get our software to run on them. It's probably going to put us out of buisness.

If only you would listen....

[Kings X Rocks!]

One of the first REAL reasons...

Ted, I sympathize with you. Yours is one of the few examples of a real *issue* with the new OS. Too bad your bio-machine software won't port to a stripped-down version of Linux.

[Leria]

Sorry, but I don't buy it

Those ITX computers that you make for bio-medical machines, by and large, use the same equipment and processors as other machines, and the people who make them are not whining about having to move to Vista.

For another point, that is the exact reason why they made the 'Home Basic' version of the software: for companies like yours who do not need full-fledged Vista.

I have a little bit of a problem with the 'size creep' of Vista myself...... but when I looked at the reason why Vista is so big, most of it is drivers, drivers, drivers that Microsoft shouldn't include with the operating system but direct people to download from the hardware manufacturer..... about 2/3 of the size of Vista is solely drivers. In XP, it was 3/4's.

[john55440]

I only get preinstalled Operating Systems

I look forward to trying Vista, when it comes preinstalled on my next computers.

Major operating system upgrades via the boxed-retail route is an unacceptable hassle.

[Leria]

No, it isn't a big hassle

I upgraded my parent's Windows XP Media Center PC to Vista Home Premium and had absolutely no problems whatsoever with it..... none at all. The people who are having problems, by and large, are those who insist on keeping no-name devices plugged into their computers or are ignoring the warnings that Vista gives about 'incompatible hardware' when they are going to install it.... you ignore those at your own peril.

[oyster11]

wrong, wrong, wrong

I have installed multiple Linux variants and they were all a snap. Maybe Microsoft should spend a billion $s or two to make installing their OS easier.

[Commander_Spock]

Long Lives The King, OS/2 Lives!

Re: "ESWay-kernel:: Improvements in the nucleus /OS/2 Kernel improvements"

Also, "You will not believe, but the fate of OS / 2, many companies are interested. Группа компаний Альфа, например. Alfa Group of companies, for example. Одни затраты на смену банкоматов огромные, да и, по сообщениям с мест, - глючат линуксовые банкоматы. Some of the cost of replacing the ATM enormous..."

http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=/language_tools&u=http://forum.ecomstation.ru/viewtopic.php?t=1037&sid=6edc4c15496fcd0ac642c458073fa505

"OS2LDR Replacement ver 0.1 (test version")

http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/cgi-bin/h-search?key=os2ldr&pushbutton=Search

Read the subject line.

Also, Told ya all about those "smart" Russian computer programmers.

Live Long And Prosper (With OS/2) ;-) !

[Thomas, David]

I Love This Part of the Article

"Microsoft finalized Windows Vista in late 2006, but held back
its retail launch of the product until January 2007. It has sold
more than 100 million copies, largely on the back of a strong
overall PC market, but retail sales have significantly trailed those
of XP in its early days and Vista has received a number of critical
reviews."

It's the "finalized", and "held back" remarks I can't get enough
of.


ROLFLMAO!!!!

[Thomas, David]

Excuse Me

ROFLMAO!

[Vegaman_Dan]

What's so funny?

Companies often delay the release of a product or service until they are ready.

iPhone SDK, anyone?

OSX Leopard?

Spore?

It sounds like you're reading something that isn't there.

[jelloburn]

They had to hold it back.

Remember, "The PC market just wasn't ready for Windows Vista."

ROFLMAO

That's the funny part. They think they are the advanced ones...

[Karl Viklund]

Odd, They don't need to

I bought Vista OEM and it was really really cheap and I'm very happy. I'm not a Microsoft fan-boy but Vista is actually a system that I could and will recommend. Vista is damn good. And nice.

I have no idea were all this whine about Vista comes from. All the negative articles on Cnet about Vista comes to mind. I can't understand that at all. Vista is really good. It only took like 3-4 weeks to get used too it. Things are different in Vista, but what is that to whine about.

Vista needs to be recognized as the great OS it is and people and media should stop whine about a system that they are clearly not using on a daily basis. I have been using Vista every day in 5-6 months now and I could not be happier.

[BobbyCannon]

Exactly!

Exactly! I couldn't have said it better myself.

[Commander_Spock]

Take a look in your "rear" view mirror...

... and tell the rest of the world what you see:

Re: "ESWay-kernel:: Improvements in the nucleus / OS/2 Kernel Improvements"

http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=/language_tools&u=http://forum.ecomstation.ru/viewtopic.php?t=1037&sid=e5caa1462c9f7bf66a5f4f390f63da1a

"OS2LDR Replacement ver 0.1 (test version)"

http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/cgi-bin/h-search?key=os2ldr&pushbutton=Search

Looks like the "Russians Are Coming - Again" Isn't it? ;-) !

[frankwick]

Vista is nice, but...

there are perception problems. For example:

1. The driver issues were the major problem. Nvidia, Creative, and even Apple had issues at lauch. To many, those were Vista problems.

2. The interface is different than XP. People who are used to finding something in one place, who now have to hunt, are not happy.

3. The HW requirements are double that of XP without much gain in productivity. That just doesn't make economic sense.

If MS can push 7 out the door without the above three problems, then they will see a smooth roll-out. For years, people will say, Win7 is what Vista should have been. That's not really true, but perception is everything.

[Maclover1]

Where does it come from

....well if you read the emails from the top brass at MS....it starts
there:)

[kenmoo]

Somehow, I needed to hear this Karl. (You sound like "a voice of reason" in a world full of insanity.) I am not a computer "sophisticate" and I was actually AFRAID to buy a new computer BECAUSE it would come with Vista Premium pre-installed! Then I started to wonder how much I'd have to pay for a boxed version of XP. Then I wondered if I wouldn't be able to just use Vista for a while and see how it goes. This is what brought me here today. There is so much bad-mouthing of Vista all over the internet. But now that I think of it, there is a whole lot of bad-mouthing of Microsoft in general on the internet. (And I haven't had any major problems with XP, so I never understood what the Hell everyone was kvetching about anyway! Is the Mac OS absolutely flawless? I seriously doubt it. If you come across a minor problem, you find a solution, and move the Hell on, no?) So thank you Karl. I have no more fear of a new PC with Vista Premium, DAMMIT. (The Mac vs PC commercials probably scared me more than anything else!!!)