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Comments on: Microsoft again delays Mac XML converters

The utilities, which convert Office 2007 file formats for use in Office 2004 for Mac, should have been ready more than a year ago, but now won't be available until late June.

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Late June? Are they NUTS?
by Galaxy5 February 21, 2008 6:16 PM PST
I guess this seals it. I'll have to start using Pages full time. At least
Apple could be bothered to support Office's XML format _nearly a
year before Microsoft_ did on the Mac platform.
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Same ole Microsoft
by georgiarat February 21, 2008 6:28 PM PST
Does anyone in Microsoft or associated with Microsoft have any
integrity? This is clearly a move to try and offset Apple gains by
using its Monopoly position with Office. I would blame the lack of
oversight on the Republican administration but it was Clinton's
who let them off the hook the first time and based on their
executive contributions to Obama's campaign we can't expect
much from it either. Oh well.......
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But
by Lee in San Diego February 22, 2008 5:32 AM PST
"Does anyone in Microsoft or associated with Microsoft have any
integrity?"

But Bill Gates gives away zillions of his PERSONAL fortune to
charities! That atones for the MicroSoft sins :)
I'm glad Apple Pages works as well as it does.
by Woebgon February 21, 2008 7:05 PM PST
Well, what else is new with Microsoft? This kind of news makes my
choice to an iMac even better. I've found Pages to be an excellent
word processing/publishing program and wish that I had not
wasted money buying Microsoft Office. I can definitely say that this
will be the last time that I upgrade a Microsoft product.
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Typical...
by saffroncapital February 21, 2008 7:46 PM PST
Usual PR spin and bollocks... 'we are committed to bollocking it up
for you'. They won't get another penny out of me until the restore
VBA support in Excel
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NeoOffice
by samkass February 21, 2008 8:11 PM PST
On the Mac, NeoOffice (based on OpenOffice.org) generally has
better Microsoft Office file format compatibility than Microsoft.
To wit, they still support VBAscript in their latest release, while
Microsoft does not. They'll probably also beat Microsoft to
supporting their own new file format, since Novell already has a
converter that's being integrated.

Don't bother buying from Microsoft anymore.
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Support for OpenXML?
by kelmon February 21, 2008 11:35 PM PST
With respect to the article, NeoOffice isn't going to help very
much because it doesn't currently support the OpenXML
document formats so you are still screwed if someone (in an act
of madness) sends you an OpenXML format document. There
appears to be limited support for OpenXML in OpenOffice for MS
Word but nothing much for the other applications.

This said, the converter software that Microsoft is making only
creates, in the case of Word, RTF files rather than standard Word
files. Apple's iWork 08 applications appear to offer the best
support for OpenXML outside of Office:mac 2008 but I almost
always encounter compatibility issues using the likes of Pages
and documents never look the same.

Personally, I'm still waiting for a good competitor on the Mac
that offers professional tools and runs natively. As good as the
iWork applications are (excepting Keynote, which is easily better
than PowerPoint), they just don't offer all the features that I
expect. Pages, for example, won't support a mixture of portrait
and landscape aspect pages in the same document and I often
need that.
Yeah, what's new?
by ewelch February 21, 2008 11:02 PM PST
And people wonder why standards people are skeptical of
Microsoft's proposed "open" standards?

They haven't even delivered my upgrade to Office 2008 yet, which
they originally promised to me by the end of January! Of course,
they told me they expected 10,000 people to take them up on their
Black Friday sale and got 50,000 takers instead. But how hard can
it be to print 40,000 more discs?
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Should have been done last year...
by cwkoller February 22, 2008 4:04 AM PST
Seriously, how hard is it to update your own software to open your own
proprietary file formats? If Apple can do it in Pages and Numbers, why
can't MS?

This of course begs the real 800-lb gorilla question:

Why oh why oh why isn't there an open, established, enforced document
format for something as simple as spreadsheets, word processing
documents and the other business basics? 20 years from now we'll look
back at this period and laugh at how stupid things were.

Madness.
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Switch to "Open" Lotus SmartSuite...
by Commander_Spock February 22, 2008 4:58 AM PST
... when it is released folks. Here is why: OOXML is not an International Organization for Standardization (ISO) Standards Format (at least not yet) and the 800lb Gorilla that is OS/2 is about to escape (break loose); and, guess where it will be headed - to its domicile - The banks around the world; and, who knows this better that Microsoft. Follow the attached link and find out about the historical facts for yourselves; also, read the article in full:

"IBM's OS/2 INCREASES MARKETSHARE IN BANKING SECTOR (the folks who control all of the cash...)"

Re: "OS/2 was designed for the mission-critical business environment, and has reliable protection and manageability built directly into the operating system. The level of satisfaction with OS/2 within the banking community is so strong that some of the world's largest banking organizations are furthering their commitment to OS/2..."

"The decision at financial institutions to standardize on OS/2 demonstrates the leadership of the OS/2 Warp family in this critical industry." Banks Look to OS/2 as Operating System of Choice..."

http://seds.org/~spider/os2/ibmpr.html
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Delays are not unusual
by Vegaman_Dan February 22, 2008 7:14 AM PST
Apple does this as well as they spend more time on Leopard than they do on Tiger. It makes sense that a company would focus on supporting their newest product as opposed to the older ones.

There are workarounds as people have listed. This does not appear to be news to anyone really.
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This isn't a problem
by rcrusoe February 22, 2008 10:04 AM PST
We've only received a small handful of documents in MS Open
XML since its introduction.

When one is received it is our policy to hit reply, send it back,
and tell them we only accept rtf, txt, and odf. Simple.

We still use MS Office 97 and 2000 because their hasn't been any
reason to upgrade. When we buy additional Wintel or Linux
computers they get OpenOffice. Most of our Macs use iWork, a
few have Office/Mac, and a couple prefer NeoOffice.

We still use MS products but they haven't been critical to our
operating for quite some time.
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