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Comments on: Steve Jobs praises a retiring Bill Gates

In an interview with the New York Times, the Apple chief says his longtime rival "should be honored for the contributions he's made." Jobs also offers a dim forecast for Amazon's Kindle, saying "people don't read anymore."

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Steve Jobs Futurist
by ongre09 January 16, 2008 10:18 AM PST
He also said once that people would never watch video on tiny 2 inch screens. Then implemented videos on the iTunes store.
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Well that's a bit different.
by maverick_nick January 17, 2008 12:33 AM PST
Sure you can watch a video on the video ipod, but you also have the capability of docking it and watching it on a large screen. So essentially the value of the device is beyond the size of its screen. I mean I'm not going to watch a movie on a tiny screen unless I'm extremely bored, but I do see the value in the ability to connect the device to a larger display.

Having said that, Apple fans will buy any crap Apple sells. My phone plays videos, music, and does a whole lot more than an Apple iPod and iPhone, so why should I purchase something like that? Yet they're still selling in droves, because consumers are a bunch of idiots.
Not reading...
by MyRightEye January 16, 2008 10:25 AM PST
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Jobs - People aren't reading books anymore
by cknouf January 16, 2008 10:36 AM PST
I definitely agree that people are not reading books in hard copy format but books are still read and in large numbers as Ebook, PDA files (Moblipocket, MS books, Palm Pilot books, and PDF files) Though we (my wife and I) seldom have time during the day to read novels (fiction and non-fiction), we do most evenings read a chapter or 2 before going sleepy-time as a way relax and wind down. If you aren't seeing it any great extent now, you will. Hard copy books are going the same way as audio CDs. Project Gutenberg, Google, etc., are scanning and converting much of the good literature to Ebook readable format and will grow, grow, grow! - Craig K
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Still a niche market
by The_Decider January 16, 2008 2:13 PM PST
There are too may hassles, and there is no comparison between curling up with a good book and curling up with a hard reader.

There are many things that need to happen before printed books even start dwindling, much less being replaced.

Sometimes, the low tech solution is superior.
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Ironic News
by fredtheviking January 16, 2008 10:45 AM PST
If people aren't reading anymore, then how are we going to get that message out. How will the world know they aren't reading anymore, if the information is sent via web pages with written text? Or was Steve Job comment taken out of context?

Perhaps, this should be included in the PODCAST.
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People Not Reading Anymore
by Jazzoid1 January 16, 2008 11:02 AM PST
People are too reading...People are reading and discussing books, using libraries, buying books at retail outlets, reading magazines, etc. Sweeping facts or a generalization?
Praise Bill - of Course
by logictrap January 16, 2008 10:54 AM PST
Were it not for Xerox, MS, Unix, Diamond (first MP3 player - and no surprise looked very similar to the iPod only it came 2 years earlier) who would Jobs have copied?

No one reads!? LOL - How do you respond to a goofy comment like that...

The bigger question is: Will Jobs ever have anything approaching an original thought?
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Other way around...
by Penguinisto January 16, 2008 1:38 PM PST
Microsoft, which was one of Apple's first third-party development companies, literally copied the Mac GUI and pounded it into DOS. Even Gates admits to this.

Xerox PARC of course came up with the first GUI, and it had also been common on high-end UNIX workstations before Apple, then Microsoft got into the act.

As for Jobs, he does have a solid knack for one thing: Taking a good idea and actually putting it to good use. Before the iPod, portable mp3 players were largely unknown to the average public. They were also somewhat cryptic to use, tended to be clumsy, didn't hold a whole lot of data, and were pretty useless to most people. Jobs (or more accurately, Apple), took the concept, and put a nice design, a revolutionary interface, and a solid but simple software package together.

The Mac Mini? That came from seeing people build shoebox-sized PC's for their house; a lot of people simply did not want a big beige or black tower system sucking up dust and sticking out (then again, Apple did come out with the Cube back in 1999-2000, long before it was trendy to build small systems).

He is right in that generally, about 40% of the public doesn't read but maybe one book a year, if that. Time constraints, a busy lifestyle, raising kids... things such as these prevent many folks from sitting down with a good book.

OSX is a no-brainer: take a flexible and rock-solid OS (BSD-style *nix-based NeXT), give it a good work-over, and use it as a base for your OS. Now you get all the benefits of *nix and a slick UI to boot.

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Now, all this said, I think Jobs is happy to see him go, mostly because I think (and he probably believes) that Microsoft probably won't survive Gates' departure past the next decade or so. It's already apparent as MSFT casts about for all kinds of weird "markets" (automobiles, shopping cart adverts, and suchlike), and desperately chase existing markets by throwing huge gobs of money at the projects in question (e.g. the Xbox has yet to turn a profit, the Zune is still a miserable failure, and no amount of channel-stuffing or creative accounting will ameliorate this).

Sure, MSFT is still raking in money, but the vast majority of that income is coming from XP and Office sales (in spite of the fact that MSFT counts an XP sale nowadays as a "Vista" sale, due to "downgrade rights").

...and so the industry evolves onwards...

/P
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He is misleading competition!
by anirudhn January 16, 2008 11:53 AM PST
About his comments on Kindle, I think Steve's trying to mislead everyone by thinking Apple won't be doing anything in that space. He had similarly denied Video playback on portable devices, iPod + Cell Phone...
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No Mr. Jobs, people still read
by pmarshall January 16, 2008 12:07 PM PST
How is it that Steve Jobs gets away with making massive over-generalizations like "people don't read anymore"? Maybe it is mis-direction (as someone has already suggested in this thread) and they are coming out with a rival to Kindle. If not, I'd say that he should go back and think about what the other 60% (who DO read more than one book a year) are reading and buying. Kindle was designed as much for periodicals as for novels and textbooks. Over-the-air delivery of periodicals is eminently practical and cost effective. Why create an expensive hard-copy magazine when you only need to pay for the CONTENT, not the paper? Mr Jobs is either being disingenuous or shallow in his consideration of the market.
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In the past year...
by shoffmueller January 16, 2008 2:37 PM PST
how many movies have you watched?
how many tv shows have you watched?
how many songs have you listened to?
and how many books have you read?

For most people, the last question will be less than 1% of each of the first three.
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I READ!
by close5828 January 16, 2008 1:25 PM PST
...in fact, I just read the specs on the new Macbook Air and haven't yawned like that since I was a kid.

No Battery, No DVD Drive, No Stereo Speakers, NO WAY!

He should've introduced it as the World's First Disposable Laptop.
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No Battery?
by shoffmueller January 16, 2008 2:38 PM PST
Pretty sure it has a battery.
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Reading on a Device
by ifiredmyboss.com January 16, 2008 2:28 PM PST
Even though I read a lot of on-line information that is also available off-liine WSJ and Newpapers. I just find it way better to page though and actual newspaper or magazie in my hands. I have a very nice large monitor so it isn't the image. I also find that I find more artivles of interest just by leafing through a magazine or newspaper than by scrolling or a talbe of context. Books on a handheld work even worse for me...
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and thus, the internet will save the environment
by LarryBowler January 16, 2008 2:47 PM PST
-Bill Gates does huge amounts of philanthropy work.
-Google founders put loads of money into environmentally sound projects. (Which is great, because apparently the web can save the world*)
- What the heck has Steve Jobs ever done besides wear slick sweaters?


*http://www.internetevolution.com/document.asp?doc_id=142504&
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Airless
by seilerbird January 16, 2008 3:43 PM PST
Well let's see now,

The Air is massively overprice
It is radically underpowered
It is wildly overhyped
It is missing many key features
The screen is way too small

It must be an Apple product.

And Microsoft still can't see Apple in it's rear view mirror. The score is 95% to 3%. As long as Apple keeps coming up with products as stupid as this one things will never change.
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Yes, let's see...
by Penguinisto January 16, 2008 8:33 PM PST
[i]"The Air is massively overprice(d)"[/i]
compared to ...what? I checked at Dell, and I defy you to find something at equal (or better) specs for the same price.

[i]"It is radically underpowered"[/i]
A Core 2 Duo w/ 2GB of RAM and 80GB of HDD space? That's as beefy as most users' desktops. What pray tell do you consider "overpowered" in the ultra-portable class?

[i]"The screen is way too small"[/i]
It's actually an inch larger than the Dell equivalent (Latitude D430)...

[i]"And Microsoft still can't see Apple in it's rear view mirror"[/i]
That's because Microsoft is looking in the wrong direction.

BTW, Apple's marketshare is nearly 10% now. ;)

/P
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The story line is Jobs praises Gates...
by jimoase January 16, 2008 3:53 PM PST
As is often seen during web based discussions there is a
significant supply of people willing to cut down those who
produce in an attempt to get their name in the look at me I am
bright too column.

We have a PC industry in large part because of Bill Gates. We
have clever computing design in large part because of Steve
Jobs. Both have stubbed their toes in the processes of pushing
the personal computing industry to its current heights.

Where in the history of personal computing do we find most of
the folks we see knocking these leaders?

As we learned early in our family If you can't think of something
positive to say, keep your mouth shut until you do.

Jim
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Smart people read. Lazy people don't.
by babyfacemagee January 16, 2008 8:39 PM PST
That's basically what it comes down to. That's why we have a world full of mediocrity with only a very small % at the top who know all the details and who truly break new ground. You don't get the details by watching tv or a video story of something. The amount of information in a book or article on the same subject done in video is like 10x the amount and goes to much greater depths. Think about it. It's true. Read more and you know more. Period.
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predictions
by ftbotsb January 16, 2008 8:59 PM PST
"I guess that shoots to heck my prediction that Apple would soon add e-books to the iTunes Store"

The Apple way is already there: "Audiobooks" is prominently featured in the iTunes Store.
In any case, you can get over 20,000 books from the Gutenberg Project. (and over 100k from affiliates) [but you probably know this already]

Don't feel bad, none of my predictions came to be.
From The Basement Of The Science Building
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A Test for Your Readers
by dascha1 January 17, 2008 4:20 AM PST
For anyone who has read the article and my comment simply reply
to my comment here.

Fair enough?
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+1
by jrm125 January 17, 2008 5:47 AM PST
Oops...I guess I can read.

Mr. Jobs...you are truly a fool. Then again, lack of the ability to comprehend is probably why the idiot-proofing of Mac is gaining popularity in the first place.
+2
by pmarshall January 17, 2008 2:22 PM PST
Mr. Jobs should not set himself up as an arbiter of cultural values. He may be selling very desirable and popular products, but he shouldn't confuse himself into thinking that he is anything other than a successful merchant, not a cultural guru. If Amazon wants to target readers, more power to them, Steve can stick to selling entertainment to the illiterate.
Just ordered
by wgilbert5 January 17, 2008 8:43 AM PST
Damn! There goes my theory that the reason they can't get a Kindle to me is because they are sold out. Thanks, Steve, guess I should go get an I-pod so I can drown my sorrows in noise and eventual deafness.
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If you repeat something enough, people believe it
by iBuzz January 18, 2008 8:26 AM PST
OK Mr. Jobs, let me see if I got this straight:

Digital music rentals/subscriptions == bad
Digital movie rentals == good
Digital book sales == bad
2-year mobile phone contract/subscription lock-in == good

Thanks Mr. Jobs. Without you telling me what I should want, I
would've been completely lost.
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