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2. I agree some techies who enjoy Linux may want this option. But, I think the average user wants Windows pre-installed because it's what s/he is used to.
3. I agree here as well. In particular, a classic Windows CD, no crapware. I don't see this happening since computer manufacturers get $$$ for dumping crapware on their PCs (and putting the same crapware in the "Restore CD")
4. This is reasonable, but how much detail should go into the operating manual?
People should develop a relationship with a local computer store, and bring their computer in for upgrading every few years. They will get great service, and the price difference between upgrading and purchasing newwill allow them to either save some money, or put that money towards better components for their upgrade.
I'm amazed at how many people complain to me about their computer not being able to run the games their kids are wanting to play, or run them poorly. A simple addition of a half decent graphics card solves the problem, but most people don't even ask about graphics cards when they purchase a computer, and if they do they don't understand the answer they get.
Definitely most PCs sold at BestBuy seem to use the Intel integrated "graphics" support, since it saves them money. But as you point out, it makes a far inferior machine for gaming. Intel just isn't anywhere in the league of major graphics card makers like nVidia or ATI.
But I don't think local computer stores can custom build laptops, unfortunately.
Yes, I too fondly remember the days when Windows came in just one version and you got everything (well, unless you bought the Extras! pack as well).
Just like Win 7 should be named Mojave 2.
Imagine paying $200 plus for an OS stuck with hackable problems, and an entourage of necessary add-ons trying to keep it clean day by day.
Things must be desperate in Redmond ... I noticed recently one MS doc suggesting OpenOffice as a recommended download...
An open-source OS like Ubuntu is 698 megs download which fits a CD after burning the ISO.
From that moment on, one is availed of hundreds of superb software components.
All free.
All good.
Security issues are dealt with by the mere fact that any vicious crap first of all has to be written for Unix, and , if it is, one would have to be a total moron to; a) take it at face value, b) credential it in 'Permissions' as an executable file, then c) try to install it without 'sudo' rights.
In other words, an incredibly complicated suicide mission which I doubt any Linux user would attempt.
Mike.
When Vista came out, all you had to do was compare what you got in the various versions. It was easy to see that Ultimate was not worth the money. That's also true with Windows 7 Ultimate. The current 49/99 pricing is the only one that's worthwhile.
BTW, I disagree with all the complaining about Vista. I've had all Windows versions and have XP, Vista, and 7 on my current machines. With adequate memory, it performs well...and memory is cheap.
It sure is a better deal than the Apple products and I have 4 of them.
Vista deserved the backlash even if some folks got to enjoy it troublefree.
Typically, I have found a clean install is the best way to go. Prior to using XP, I found reformatting was necessary every 6 to 12 months to keep the system performing smoothly. Since 1985, Apple products have been no different.
However, what I have done, is that I was so angry that I was ripped off by Microsoft that I just switched to Apple. I no longer use Office, I cross-upgraded to OS X / Adobe products... and I swear that I will never buy a Microsoft product again!!!
( I am not an Apple fan boy trying to flame Microsoft, I have been a long time and loyal Windows / Microsoft users who has had enough, enough.... I would be willing to send my Windows Vista Ultimate SN number to prove that I have purchased it....)
When my wife and daughter's HP/Vista laptop come to their end, it will be the last of Windows / Microsoft in this house.
I just cannot express how ripped off and angry I feel!... it is disgusting that a company as big and rich as Microsoft took advantage of its most loyal costumers.
And, no, I'm not a "fangirl" at all, although I enjoy my Macs so much, just being pragmatic.
Seriously - if Windows makes you happy - enjoy $$$
However, you might want to comsider Linux. I started dual booting, then finally jettisoned my Vista Ultimate. Now run Linux 64 bit w/o a problem. Full driver support, and can do everything on Linux I can do on Vista except game play, and Linux is free. Note: Video cards - NVdia provides excellent Linux support, ATI leaves much to be desired - support yes but sometime unstable.
Gameplay is a problem - Wine is available for game support, however games are not important to me. Linux handles multimedia as good as or better than Windows (media center) yes my opinion - you can decide for yourself. Pick and install the apps that you enjoy best (no charge) - bluray players, media center clones, Office clones, etc. It's not only about being cheap, it's about freedom to choose. No HDCP requirements (I can run 1080p via HDMI to my non-HDCP monitor) or DRM. With available 3rd party drivers I can do much more.
Many Linus releases have a "live" CD or DVD meaning you can run a scaled down OS from the optical drive to "try it out" before making a committment to install.
Linux is more secure by design than Windows. Virus issues are currently not a cause for concern, but that could change as Linux gains market share.
But enough of that. If you are tired of paying the Microsoft entrance fee, consider your options. Yes there is a learning curve, but you would be suprised at how little a curve.
Like I stated in the beginning - to each their own, but consider your options.
"NVdia provides excellent Linux support, ATI leaves much to be desired - support yes but sometime unstable. ", that's a pretty darned good reason to avoid Linux.
"Gameplay is a problem "...lol...sounds like another reason. Linux still has some growing up to do. Great for tinkerers, but not for the average user.
IMO MS should give the users who purchased the most expensive OS at least an Upgrade to 7 for their troubles.Personally i dont like Vista, was it ok, i guess. I used it for awhile and went back to XP. The release was a joke, the unsupport hardware was a pain, and the bloatware was a joke. After the sp1 things seem to calm down a bit, but i never really went back to it.
I have installed and used W7 x64 on my HP DV6500T since beta and it is awesome, i would more than happily pay for the upgrade from Vista Ultimate to win7 Ultimate, but for an upgrade price, not for this full price bend you over crap MS is doing.Overall if MS would offer the ultimate Vista users a little something in return for the fact they got nothing then hey i would be good with that
Those of us with Vista Ultimate are getting screwed.
Microsoft as usual don't care about their os users. Maybe they felt since the Vista Ultimate users bought into their scam, their promises of extra features to be released later, those users are willing to be scammed into paying the higher price for win7 Ultimate. If anything since win7 is nothing more than a sp update, maybe vista ultimate users should get it for free.
The worse part is, if I get the Pro version, I will be forced to do a clean install.
This really seems like a bad joke on the part of Microsoft as the ultimate version offered little extra and features I could have lived without ( I would have been happy with the home premium version) Now they want me to shell out hundreds of more dollars with no promise of any additional features (networking features should be a stock feature anyways)
For me the only real choice is to get 4 Windows 7 home premium licenses and hope that Microsoft offers me a free upgrade to ultimate. I really dont want to have to do a clean install on 2 machines especially my office computer and lose productivity as a result. I dont mind paying a bit more to have less headaches but $219 for a license is extreme.
- by RighteousSoutherner July 2, 2009 9:34 AM PDT
- Whaaaaaaa! Probably cheapskates looking to game Microsoft's offer. You know it!
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