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Comments on: Time for Microsoft to fess up on Windows 7 date

Redmond made the release candidate publicly available Tuesday, but it still won't commit to a 2009 launch--even though it's tipped its hand that way.

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by turboelise May 5, 2009 2:04 PM PDT
I know that as a consumer the release date of Windows 7 is very important to me! I have been actively searching for a computer the past few weeks, and if Windows 7 is to be available on PC's in August before back to school then I will definitely be waiting. If it's going to be more toward January or later, I will probably not wait. Even October could be pretty iffy for me to, since I'm currently using a 5 and half year old Toshiba :)
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by kcotham May 5, 2009 2:25 PM PDT
@turboelise
Don't wait for Windows 7. If you really need a new computer, buy either a Macintosh or explore the option of buying a generic PC and taking advantage of the rebate for not running Windows. Microsoft has a program through the manufacturers that will give you a rebate if you don't register the pre-installed copy of Windows. Just buy a machine that will get you through school, download and burn a copy of Linux on your old machine, then install it on the new one. Contact the manufacturer for the rebate for never using the pre-installed copy of Windows. Trust me, you'll be much happier and you'll save some cash.
by Angmarr May 5, 2009 4:17 PM PDT
whatever you do please dont take the advise of crazy apple fans whos bias is beyond evident, infact its sad!
by kcotham May 5, 2009 5:00 PM PDT
@Angmarr,

Don't confuse the poor person with Windows fanaticism. Windows 7 is nothing but a cleaned up version of Vista. There is no real advance to it. It will be subject to all the faults and flaws that Vista was. Windows is Windows is Windows. I merely suggested that this person save some dough by installing Linux on the new machine and get the rebate for not using Windows.

As a side note, you might want to retake English 101 and run a spell checker before you post. But if you were using Mac OS X, you'd know that spell checking is performed on the fly, throughout the operating system.
by -Roddly May 6, 2009 12:22 PM PDT
No, don't install Linux for school unless it's a secondary OS. I know I had to use a lot of Windows specific software in college. For instance engineers will be using CAD programs, programmers will need to install VS at least once, and so on. Unless you want to spend a lot of time in the lab and defeat the purpose of having a home computer, I would ignore that advice.

Now is not a good time to buy a computer. With the new generation of CPU architecture out, you're either going to overpay for it or be stuck with technology that is not very upgradable or future-proof because it's coming to the end of its life. And being between Windows releases makes it even worse and is enough reason by itself to wait.
by kcotham May 6, 2009 2:58 PM PDT
@Roddly
That's complete bullocks. Most students need to write papers, research online, have access to e-mail, and have access to online tools (varies from one institution to another). Linux, Solaris, Mac OS, BSD, BeOS, anything, can do that. It is rare that you will ever encounter Windows-specific requirements in a modern educational setting. The headaches saved by not having to deal with viruses and other malware, not having Word crash, and not having to constantly update the OS, will be well worth the very short learning curve. I highly recommend Ubuntu for new users on generic machines. If you have the initial money, I recommend buying a MacBook, if not, buy what you can afford and install Ubuntu or Xubuntu.

You are probably referring to very specific requirements in a technical college type setting. Having attended one of these for a while (in addition to a mainstream college), I can say that even then, alternatives are viable. I did my Java programming on an iBook running Mac OS X and Mac OS 9 for example.
by d3vildog69 May 7, 2009 4:44 PM PDT
Kcotham

Serisouly dude, chill out on the linux stuff. How can you honestly say that he is full of crap when he is saying his College experience and trying to give him advice about it. to each their own man, if they want Windows, its not up to you to decide. Just give out advice equal and fair among all systems. All OS's have their problems. We get you hate MS. We... Don't... Care.
by kcotham May 7, 2009 5:47 PM PDT
@d3vildog
When Microsoft shills and ignorant plebians cease spreading falsehoods and outright lies, then I'll cease posting, not a minute before.

If you would post in complete sentences, in Standard American English, then I could address your qualms. I'm not deciding anything for anyone, I'm just presenting the options, that Microsoft, and all Windows shills, want kept silent.
by d3vildog69 May 12, 2009 12:12 PM PDT
It's a comment on a news article. Its their job to get the editing right. I know how to Write in English, being a writer its something i do quite often. When i'm commenting on an article. I don't care. Especially when i'm trying to tell you that nobody cares about your pathetic excuse of a life insulting people for their choice in an Operating System for a computer and which is better.


Grow Up. Go fishing or something and just chill out.
by Chase211 May 5, 2009 2:23 PM PDT
My my, such rampant fanboyism on both sides. As someone who has alot of experience with both operating systems I can say that I can hardly stand OS X personally, it bottlenecks every action you perform because it wants to be a simple and intuitive OS, and thats fine and for the most part it works...until something stops working or you have something fancy to do. then all bets are off. Atleast thats my experience, but thats just me.

As another poster mentioned the real problem with Apple is that they have been fighting competition since the begining. Under their license agreement it is illigal to sell a computer with OS X on it unless it was installed by apple themselves. Meaning no other company can ever make MAC computers, this is why apple is able to gouge the consumer and why prices are still so sickeningly high for apple.

Think about this, if apple had the same market share as windows does right now then there would be NO OTHER COMPUTER MANUFACTURERS, no one but apple could legally sell a computer with an operating system installed, except apple.

Until Apple lets go of its greed and makes OS X just like every other operating system that can be used by anyone, I refuse to support any part of the company. Microsoft has certainly had its fair shares of greedy policy and predatory pricing...but atleast they never tried to lock down the entire hardware industry so only they could sell computers.
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by jessiethe3rd May 6, 2009 11:31 PM PDT
+1 I love the design of my Macbook Pro and boy it sure is nice running a nice RC Windows 7 on bootcamp... I boot default in W7 now... if folks are on here yappin' about hating W7 - don't knock it until you try it....

Window Preview..
Faster performance... it's optimized for 1Ghz Atoms for goodness sake running with 1GB of RAM!
Easy networking...
Easy and Secure file sharing
Libraries

Seriously... sweet
by TacticalMedic May 5, 2009 2:39 PM PDT
Just installed the 64 bit edition. I've been using the 32 bit edition since February. This is the way an OS is supposed to work! Good job MS!
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by biffhenerson May 5, 2009 2:43 PM PDT
Boo hoo. We need to know right now! Geez, don't be a whiner. They have finally learned to promise late and deliver early like any good company. My bet would be that it is available for this holiday season. If not, they never said it would be.
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by Vegaman_Dan May 5, 2009 6:51 PM PDT
Why is this important? It affects future buying decisions by consumers. Will you want to buy your new laptop this summer, or wait until Win7 ships? Companies that want to sell you that laptop also need to know when the release is so they can plan accordingly. Will it be RTM in time for the holiday shopping season? Will it be ready for back to school specials? Will they have to scramble and prep their marketing to account for it?

Keep in mind those OEM's are kept in the loop already, so while the public may not know, those OEM's are being kept up to date already.

I'm delaying the purchase of an iPhone even though my current cell phone contract is up because I don't know if there will be a new iPhone in June/July or not. That alone is affecting what I buy. Do I buy now and then get stung when they release a new iPhone model? Do I wait until June/July to find out they aren't releasing a new model at all?

A clear date would be nice for both products, but I understand the need to be cautious on both Microsoft and Apple's end.
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by nebby74 May 5, 2009 11:32 PM PDT
At least Microsoft had the sense to have their logo display correctly this time. Ever time I start Vista my eyes go straight to that stupid cut off aqua circle logo. Really, was that so hard to get it to fit in there?

Otherwise I don't care when 7 officially launches. I only run any type of Windows just as briefly as I have to. It's just the fool's version of OS X.
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by AppleSuxLeo May 6, 2009 5:43 AM PDT
The new Apple ads are already out to try and counter the new Windows...and they looked downright childish at best. Like they are grasping at straws. Wow , Apple really broke the bank on those ads !
It makes Apple look desperate. It really does. Is that the best they can do ? Pathetic.
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by Blejdinator May 6, 2009 6:23 AM PDT
@kcotham: You're trolling isn't advancing your cause. Please crawl back into the hole you came out of. Thanks.
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by kcotham May 6, 2009 12:27 PM PDT
Stop violating terms of use by engaging in personal attacks.
by cyclonica1980 May 6, 2009 6:26 AM PDT
Ive used OSX, XP, Vista, and 7.

OSX is not a bad OS, its just not compatible with 80% of the software I use. I work with music and despite the stereotype Macs really arent all that great for music recording. The best software is for PC only. I work with some of the best hardware in the industry and suffice to say most of the big synth systems like viruses work much better on a PC.

As for Vista its slow but bearable. I run on penryn processors at home with 4 gigs of ram and its runs just peachy. Once I tried windows 7 I jumped for joy. It will give OSX a run for its money, sorry apple people, but it is a good operating system. Microsoft finally pulled its head out of the sand with this one.

Apple people also don't realize they pay for the same hardware that's in PCs. The only difference between a Mac and a PC is the OS. I cracked open my broken Macbook Pro, and my old iMac. Same hardware thats in my PC, of course unless you count the western digital hard drive with the apple symbol on it.....

Once Windows 7 comes out you wont see me on a Mac unless Apple drops its prices several hundred bucks.
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by dhaupin May 6, 2009 11:33 AM PDT
Windows = Locked into a perpetual feature lockdown (scam) and poor security. Because of this lockdown there is the illusion of stability through sheer numbers of users who dont know they have a problem. By adding small features (that other OS's did first) every 4-5 years there is also the illusion of evolution. If there are 50m average users and 2m power users, the usability ratios are going to be thrown towards the average user. When the common man learns that his so called OS is actually a shackle preventing speedy progression, the true colors of usability vs security vs stability will be revealed.

Linux and OSX cannot compete yet for 2 simple reasons:
DRIVERS. Either the drivers dont exist, or they are legally bound to use only 1 predefined hardware selection. When any person can install Linux or OSX to ANY machine (without special operations), you will see Windows fall...and fall hard.

API: Companies need to port software to Linux and OSX, or windows is not gonna fall. In the meantime, there are many ways to run Windows software in Linux, but its not stable yet...especially for 3d (directx apps). When this becomes stable, you will see mass migrations. I give it less than 1.5 years before you are able to run games, graphics, and CAD software in Linux without problem....until then, Linux will remain unpopular for both work and play.

The problem is MS owns Novell now, and SUSE is #2 in the Linux world only to Ubuntu/Mint. When Windows is obsolete, you will see Novell/Suse take its place immediately. Youre damned if you do, and youre damned if you dont. Instead of complaining, lets try to make Ubuntu what it can be to make sure it is always ahead of Suse.
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by kcotham May 6, 2009 3:02 PM PDT
There are ways of running that Windows software on Mac OS X too. One solution (whose name escapes me now) doesn't even need a copy of Windows.

Look into Virtual Box by Sun Microsystems. It's a very good virtual machine that is absolutely free. It runs on a multitude of host systems and will support lost of client systems.
by TacoMusic May 6, 2009 7:30 PM PDT
I have read almost every comment here and "Kcotham" dude chill not everybody or me know all the facts, look im tech savby and have no experience with lines of codes, but i myself a windows user would like to use OSX, Linux, Ubuntu, and so on. And when i do, I'll CHOOSE which is right for me even if there are MINOR problems, i have seen iLife 09' and looks amazing, the newest Ubuntu boots/shuts down faster, Linux well its Linux(havent read anything interesting about it[yet])

Every OS has its Ups and Downs(mainly everything has this situation) so i as a "unique" person(meaning i have different priorities) have to choose which OS has the stuff i need.
Windows 7 looks nice, stable, and mainly easy to use(reason: i don't have re-learn how to use it, and Im more annoyed of the process than scared)

Word of advise "kcotham" don't respond to every comment made towards you thats all they want to do, annoy you, oh no offense take a chill pill

-[[LaTeRs]]-
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by kcotham May 6, 2009 8:52 PM PDT
You mean to say that they are "trolling"? I'm aware of that. But they keep spreading falsehoods.
by myles taylor May 7, 2009 7:46 AM PDT
"Clearly Microsoft was burned by its experience with Vista."

How was Microsoft burned by Vista? I thought it was the rest of the world that got burned by Vista/Microsoft.
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by theBike1945 May 7, 2009 12:25 PM PDT
Time for CNET to fess up and admit that it doesn't know beans about developmental engineering, either the sooft or the hard type. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY can ever know exactly when a
large project will be completed. Think of this effort as something other than painting a house, where there are no mysteries to be solved, etc. I've been on many software system builds and believe me,
anyone who provides a firm date needs to at least have his head examined if not be fired outright.
Tell me, CNET, when are you going to publish the story about the cancer cure just around the bend?
Cmon, now, give me a firm date. Didn't think so.
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