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Microsoft is planning to use virtualization to allow Windows 7 to easily run applications designed for Windows XP, according to CNET sources and an enthusiast site.

by Ted Miller April 27, 2009 4:48 AM PDT
What we really need is to adjust Windows 7 to run like XP and then adjust XP to run like Windows 2000. Many of us do adjust our windows XP to run like 2000 already by changing folder options to reflect windows 2000 operating system (as one exemple). Here file management and various other things become quick and simple that productivity becomes the rule. Back then microsoft excelled and today they have lost sight of their customers REAL needs.
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by Ted Miller April 27, 2009 4:53 AM PDT
Just one extra added thought, does any one know of a Linux distro that looks and runs like Windows 2000 or XP? I really think I just might take a serious look at something like that. Or any XP clone at that.
by frankz00 April 27, 2009 9:58 AM PDT
I've downgraded two machines from Vista back to XP because 50% of my purchases were rendered useless. It disgusted me that I had to upgrade my whole software stack to upgrade the OS! The job of the OS is to stay in the background and stay unnoticed. I don't understand Microsoft's need to p*ss all over their customers computers just to show that it exists. They might has well keep the XP product line going and drop all the other crap.
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by plbyrd April 27, 2009 12:43 PM PDT
I have a very serious question about this. Does this mean that an anti-virus program for XP will have to be installed as well as for Windows 7? What about system management software. That could get hugely expensive in a hurry.
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by Fred Adsit April 27, 2009 1:28 PM PDT
Tell me something. Why can't I access your stuff using Windows8 ??? I stopped using ZDNet when this became a problem. Now your cnet posts won't work either. Seems a bit ironic.
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by libertyforall1776 April 27, 2009 3:24 PM PDT
What a mess, I would rather just run XP virtually on a Mac... ;-)
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by rick47591 April 28, 2009 9:31 AM PDT
FYI, I've been examining a beta version of Windows7 for the last several months and have witnessed that Windows7 is just another form of Vista. It too is horrible and settings are just as hard to configure in it too. Why must consumers change operating systems? Why can't xp users continue to use xp? Microsoft is all about greed. My opinion is to stick with xp. Vista aka Windows7 has too many problems. Both are hard to navigate and both have compatibility issues as well as security issues, virus issues, and driver problems.
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by plbyrd April 28, 2009 9:53 AM PDT
Please give examples of the compatibility issues in Windows 7, the security issues in Vista and Windows 7, and the virus issues in Vista and Windows 7. No, tell me that XP isn't WORSE on all fronts except compatibility. As for compatibility, Windows 7 looks to be the ultimate with this virtual XP feature.

I would like to see you back up your claims instead of just repeating the anti-Microsoft talking points ad-nauseum.
by Inconnux April 28, 2009 3:19 PM PDT
Compatibility is King when you have far more invested in Software than hardware. Vista is a failure because of it...

I remember moving from NT 4 to Win2k to XP... very few compatibility problems. Move from XP to Vista and the nightmare begins.

As for the 'anti-microsoft' rants about Windows 7 being nothing more than a Vista Service pack
http://www.pcworld.com/article/153624/under_the_hood_windows_7_is_vistas_twin.html
by gschultens April 28, 2009 3:03 PM PDT
Vista is OK, but an unnecessary change for the vast army of computer users. One big hit I took upon buying a Vista laptop was a bunch of peripherals I had (printer, scanner, USB/audio-in module) suddenly became obsolete. When I went to upgrade my scanner software, HP suggested I take the opportunity to upgrade to a new scanner. How nice of them. A work associate downloaded Windows 7 and said even more stuff was incompatible.

What I'd really like to see is an Office 2003 mode for Office 2007. Office 2007 inflicted an entirely new and unnecessary user interface (with precious little increase in actual user functionality) that provides the ongoing opportunity to play "Now where did they hide that function?"

And I used to be frustrated with the Detroit 3 for their practice of planned obscelecence.
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by JBSimmons May 3, 2009 2:52 PM PDT
Time for the old timers to weigh in. As a past designer of Intel CPUs, if it weren't for the "virtual mode" that was implemented in the Intel 80386 CPU in HARDWARE (i.e. instruction set), there wouldn't be any base for the software to do what it does today in virtual mode.

Do not confuse this with emulation. That is altogether another complication. Virtualization was born with the 80286, but the engineers didn't think the process through correctly - which is why the CPU had to be reset to get it OUT of PROTECTED MODE,

Of course, this entails the mess of the meticulous keeping track of how the registers were loaded in real or protected mode. That 286 mistake is what killed it. The fix was in the 80386 along with the additional instructions needed to make it go back and forth from real to protected (virtual) mode properly.

Virtualization is the ability to have multiple sessions running at the same time on a single CPU core - independently of each other.. Special instructions were added to make this possible. The special REQUIREMENT of the software that it be RE-ENTRANT. Even the BIOS had to change to make this happen.

Then there is the video viewing problem that had to be dealt with, along with hardware devices that had EXCLUSIVE access that belonged to the virtual process that had a "lock" on it.

The processor had to be put in PROTECTED MODE to make virtualization happen. Then there was a special time slicing DOS program that was capable of running 4-6 things at the same time, but only one virtual process had the screen at one time and the user had to choose which virtual process they wanted in the foreground on the screen at any one time via the F1 - F6 function keys..As long as you had enough EXTENDED memory, it worked quite well.

DOS 7 in XP has a lot of VAX/VMS elements and commands in it. You will find that you will be able to do a LOT more in DOS 7 than the XP GUI will ever let you do. This is why people don't want anything else but XP. DOS still does what it's supposed to do. It's the very foundation XP is built on. Now it's FULLY re-entrant with no hiccups. HIMEM.SYS and DOUBLESPACE.SYS are still there. Dig into your DOS 7 session and into C:\Windows\System32 and look at the DOS .EXE and .COM files. ..BAT files can still be written and they work as usual, but have many more features. They are still there from DOS 6.22. This is why I will NEVER switch to Vista.

If Win 7 doesn't have DOS in it or XP virtualization, another company will arise and finally put the nail in the coffin for MSFT's hefty 2,500 program SINGLE CPU catalog. Multi-CPU has been around since the 1970's. Intel had working prototypes of multiple-CPU's as early as 1984. They've been behind the multi-CPU 8-ball for 25 years now. Enough stalling.

Intel also had it's own O/S called iRMX-386 which was full multi-user, multi-tasking. Before that, we had NDS-II O/S which ran the servers on 8086 CPUs. That's all time-slicing. It was the 80386 that had BOTH the ability to time-slice OR run virtual sessions (with restraints).

It took MSFT and many hardware vendors a good long time to figure out how to do virtualization properly. They had to master PROTECTED MODE to made it happen. EVERYTHING had to be written in protected mode AND RE-ENTRANT to make virtualization work right.

As long as the x86 CPU has enough horsepower and memory, vitrual sessions can be spawned and put to sleep when a device is needed but not ready. This has to be carefully controlled by the removable/fixed media serial device hex string number that has to be present on all media to prevent overwriting the wrong media.

Many don't remember the evolutions of DOS that led up to lay down the foundation for vitrualization. Then MSFT hired the VAX/VMS engineers to give it what we see in XP that lends itself to time-slicing AND virtualization. Each virtual session is capable of time-slicing as well within it's own virtual environment. Then there's backwards compatibility with XP Pro that Vista doesn't have.

In order to make it all work well, the text environment had to be converted to scalable graphics. That was the last wall that needed to fall in order to see all the vitual processes running on the one physical or multiple screens. It was quite a 20 year evolution of motherboard hardware and MSFT software to make it happen.

Win 7 has a very high bar to reach - XP virtualization, backwards compatibility, DOS capability, running 16 bit DOS and Windows programs from the earlier era, and multiple-CPU. Too many good programs have been bought and dumped by MSFT with no satisfactory replacement?. How long is this going to go on? I have 5 systems with various O/S and programs that do a better job than those do today.

Virtualization was there all along in the 80386 CPU and almost every single CPU since then. The x86 protected mode architecture hasn't changed. Just added to and everything else had to change to make vitualization happen.
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by demoman_chaos May 4, 2009 10:06 AM PDT
More evidence to show the desperation of Microsoft. With only 1 good OS in 10 years and a failing gaming system, things don't look good for Microsoft. Not only that, the latest version of Ubuntu does everything you could imagine seamlessly and quickly (except play some newer games, M$ bought out the PC game developers so they will only make it compatible with M$ WinDOH!s). The rest of the Linux library of choices is just as great, and they are all 100% free and 100% virus free. They all also run on outdated hardware (unlike WinDOH!s whihc needs brand-new everything to run without hiccups thanks to the abundance of useless junk they add). Let's do the math:
M$ OS-Roughly $400
Virus Protection-$50
Hardware Upgrade Cost- lets say $350 for Motherboard with processor and RAM, asuming you use on-board everything
Total- $800

Linux OS- $0
Virus Protection- None needed, impervious to attacks
Hardware Upgrade- None needed, 32-bit Linux OS's can run on near everything.
Total Cost-$0
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by Tuggerofhearts May 22, 2009 9:18 PM PDT
But as a home user, I don't want to go through the agony of learning a other new, (and if anything like XP) worse OS than the previous one I used. This electronic "stuff" was supposed to make life easier; NOT TRUE, especially for the "untechnically" minded. Every time the OS is changed, and the way it is operated is altered, the changes are at least 2 to 10 times harder to use. Languaged is changed to mean something totally different, frequently used services are renamed wiuth absolutely no clue as to how they can be found in the new OS, etc., etc. If the day comes that I cannot use my XP OS, xchnaces are I will join my one son who left MS when XP came out. You pros forget that everyone doesn't function at your level.
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