Comments on: Ballmer to talk Windows 7, not ZunePhone, at CES

In first CES keynote speech, Microsoft CEO expected to spend most of his time talking about Vista's successor, as well as efforts to bring Windows to the Web and phones.

[bakedpatato]

Brian, just stop. You are one heck of an annoying troll, and I thought this is time to post this thread on 4chan and say "you did it for the lulz".
I want to throw my Mac Pro out of the window knowing people like you use the same OS as the Pro came with.
I had to deal with an iMac Core Duo that had a broken power switch and a bad hard drive. I had to destroy the casing on the iMac(the stupid casing won't open w/o a special tool that Apple has,and without that, its very hard not to destroy the casing) just to get to the power switch, and resolder it. A new hard drive was out of the question due to the optical sensor. I ended up taking the CPU and building it into a MiniITX based computer. Beauty, but beauty at a price.
I care less how my computer looks like, my computer is a tool to what I want to do. And if that tool is less functional than beautiful, epic phail.
The Pro is friendly for upgrades, but at $2800+,that's a joke. I like to upgrade thank you very much Apple,but if I have to buy your top end product to do so...
Snow Leopard is the same kind of upgrade as 7, some tweaks here and there(faster overall and OpenCL(btw look at CUDA ,it ain't doing so hot)),so your troll comment is unsupported. **** and **** from the interwebs till you can find better troll material.

[random truth]

I thought I would help you. Repairing iMacs is a pain, I dont know how I would be able to do it without the tool. You can buy them here if you still need them...
http://www.stanleysupplyservices.com/product-group.aspx?id=10980

[Mr PIB--2008]

Wow, the fan-boy flamewar goes on and on and on. Back and forth with no end in sight.
I'll just put my opinion on the subject.
When M$ fan-boys say they can run more games, I just say you can run more viruses and malware too.
When M$ fan-boys say they don't like how Apple is stingy with it's hardware I just say the same about M$'s software. Besides, I have a G4 tower that is a mad mod machine. It has a processor upgrade, a USB 2.0 card, a three hard drive array using no special hardware and a DVD +/- RW drive.
When M$ fan-boys say PC hardware is cheaper, then I just say, you get what you pay for.
It all boils down to this, Apple leads the way in innovation. M$ does not. Apple has a track record of innovative and easy to use products. M$ has a track record of virus prone bloat-ware that is more famous for it's blue screen of death than anything else. I have used both Mac and PC and dabbled in other operating systems. I made a living in Mac repair for a few years and have also fixed and built PC's. Every platform has it's nitch, but I still have to say that for my money even a used Mac with OSX is a better buy than any PC using Vista. If Win 7 is pretty much just a upgrade of Vista then why bother with it? Vista is a hideous failure, how much better can they make it by renaming it Win 7 and fixing some flaws?

[topgunb2]

M$??? does the $ sign symbolizes the biggest individual donor in the world (Bill gates) !!!

[The_happy_switcher]

Anderson you may want to see a shrink about your denial problem.

BTW, I don't need to explain to you or anyone else why I'm here posting. It's a free country (still) and no one has died and appointed you board moderator.

[Mark_Anderson]

Hey, don't stop. Your delusional ranting never fails to amuse.

[dctech08]

nerds... all of you! :)

[Notoapplefanbois]

Hey apple fanboi's, just a short Q, have you ever actually used a decent computer?
Ever heard of virtual memory, it's what make's low spec computer's vista compatible. So far 8gb of virtual and 512mb or physical. so far still fail on the apple fanboi's point of view.

Just wait the the google OS if they make one and everyone will be happy, well, except the apple fanboi's, they won't accept anything that isn't apple even though for the price of a macbook over here in the UK you can get Gaming laptops like the acer 8920 etc. but $600 abouts for apple to put an OS which costs $100 or so on? this is just showing how much Mr. Jobs loves ripping people off. That's why the only thing made by apple I have is an ipod video since we can't get zune's in the UK easily.

[Notoapplefanbois]

Oh just so you don't think I'm anti apple, I was thinking of getting a macbook pro for final cut, better interface etc but after seeing the toshiba qosmio's i thought what's the point of getting a macbook pro if i can get a better PC for less and then get more stuff in the deal (18.4" screen, quad core processor, blu-ray player) and then if i wanted the interface i could just put dreamlinux on it

[random truth]

@Notoapplefanbois
Wait, you wanted to get a macbook for a $2,500 professional program (thats one of the software's that movie editors use). that will barely run on that computer. But instead you decided to get a computer with a 3rd rate os on it. DreamLinux sucks for what it appears that you are trying to do. If you want linux for video editing you have to get Ubuntu Studio for its superiority. So this does not make sense first pros use top-of-the-line equipment for their job and don't mind paying 4x for 10% better. So thus I can confirm that your not a video editor, because the free programs for linux are crap compared to things like AfterEffects, and Final Cut Pro. So I can see your either a fanboy in denial, a amateur movie editor with too much money, or some rich kid.

[jennawanna]

Microsoft sells COPIES of crap.

[Boomstickedition]

It is funny how people try to justify their purchases by belittling others. I am all for freedom of speech and letting the consumer choose what to buy but the whole preaching or trying convert people into using Macs to make themselves better about their purchase is hysterical. I mean why do you care if someone uses windows or a mac if it works for you then fine just don't go telling everyone they are stupid because they do not share the same perspective as you. The world does not revolve around you or Steve Jobs. If a mac works for someone that's fine if a someone likes using a PC that's fine. A computer is just a tool not a cult or lifestyle.

[michaelo1966]

Who cares about Windows ... it's a dinosaur; Chrome as the front-end, running some flavor of Linux as the kernel, is gonna' be the OS of the future. More importantly ... looks like they kept you on after the layoffs Ina, which is a very good good thing -- I like reading your reports.

[ferretboy88]

Why don't you spend more time using your Apple computer instead of trying to pass of the cult of mac on people.

[wadah1111]

Hmmm XP remains the best

[lil-yankee]

Ok, I jumped in here for news and all i got is a bunch of appletards and winblows users bashing at eachother, reeling out of the main theme "no zunephone in CES only windows 7" and making this personal on jobs (mac) and bills (pc). I for one intend to stop this using these facts that are widely available for everybody here since that's the way to do it and none of this macsoldiers or winblows politicians made any concrete evidence available to support their cause.
1- vista vs os x
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/14/technology/14pogue.html?fta=y
there is the link to non-other than the NYtimes to serve as a bridge to once and for all land pc users to see that vista was a forced little sister of osx i.e windows tried to copy it!.
Also relates to how mac is far more stable than the builds of vista although they have lessen in the present by the regular updates but still crown os x as the better overall choice.
2- here is to the point about windows 7 being a better vista
http://news.cnet.com/windows-7-a-better-vista/
it clearly says that the focus has changed and that things are getting done a bit more different and better but still can draw parallels in between to render them similar and thus call it a better vista instead of a whole new operating system. (make sure that the differences are more than the similarities to change the name).
3- will snow leopard triumph and once again place the mac atop of consumer satisfaction and reviews like os x leopard has done? ( and notice that the wall street journall said this and jd and powers not me)
and this is one of the reasons, a mac managed to run windows vista faster than a pc. isnt this ridiculous?
Not only did the mac give you the ability to run windows but run it faster than the computer it was designed for? and there is your (http://www.apple.com/getamac/ads/) misprint. "Pcworld quote"
And to finish up this argument in something very simple for all of us to understand look at the computer world from the stand point of a pyramid. understand there is a hierarchy and regular people. Understand that you can go to work from point A to B in a car that accommodates four wheels that enable the object to carry you from place to place at will. Now understand that object is subject to pricing depending on many different levels of performance and how it stacks up to the competition.
Looks, speed, confornt, mpg, etc, same for a computer. is like the long going ps3 vs xbox 360 argument that would never end. You can go to the same place but not with the same lexuries and confort depending how much did you pay.
and out of the box no-one should argue that the pc brings the same level of performance as a mac.
You might have the same specs i.e ram memory, hd space and screen size but not the programs.
http://www.apple.com/getamac/ads/
so yeah, a mac is more expensive initial value but is not a more expensive lifetime value.
You can do without buying any program for all there is to do in a computer as a regular user i.e
browse the internet, do photos, make videos, webpages, receive emails etc, with a pc first things first
got to buy an anti virus with subscription. so there you have it, mac comes on top no matter how you judge it, i have both a sony windows vista series fw, a great looking computer and a macbook pro.
They both pack a punch in performance according to the spec comparison only the mac has more cpu power 2.6ghrts to 2.2ghrts but they are both very much alike in all other aspects and the only thing that makes me prefer the mac over the pc are not its looks as i consider the fw a way better looking pc but the operating system. Advancement is made step by step not leaping and windows i think is not going to make such a leap from vista to windows 7 to catch up and even pass os x. I have seen videos of the operating system and it looks fantastic and if they deliver it as it looks now it would be a way better operating system than i expected but till i see the new snow leopard I cant do anything than hold my breath. We the consumers have choice and money and some have more than others. I think mac are the top 5 percentile and pc and the rest are the lower 95. Come january well be here doing this all over and i wont mind because well, what is there not to love about this?

[doobz94]

This is pathetic, everyone. I understand that some posts are extreme, but the moment anyone claims that they prefer Windows or OS X they're shot down and called an immature fanboy. You all need to realize that some both have somethings better than the other and those things appeal to different people. Windows 7 looks very promising and will do a great job of not only masking up the Vista disaster but adding great features and performance enhancements. OS 10.6 looks great as well. Performance is going to be amazing with this and security enhancements are always good, especially with Mac slowly becoming a bigger target for viruses and such. It all comes down to preference, here, not fanboyism. I personally prefer OS X because I find it to be smoother, more intuitive, and better features that suit my needs. Windows is more towards business and everyone's computer. That is just my experience and my opinion. Feel free to disagree but I am not a fanboy.

[world_scholar]

I am no computer expert, but the coming of a new OS from Microsoft caught my eye. I wondered if Microsoft wised up and made something that would appeal to my generation. That is the key. If you want an accurate indicator of who is winning in that area, then walk around a college campus and see what we're using. Whatever we get used to using in college we will carry over to our workplace and careers afterward. Right now, that would have to go to Apple for creating easy to use interfaces and listening to their feedback so closely. A few of my friends and even myself actually bought the Zune trying to support the underdog, but then Microsoft is showing that they do not care about our generation when they barely support the device. That shows to us that they do not pay attention to us and now they are starting to feel the consequences. I will not go so far to call their stuff crap, but I will say that Microsoft needs one BIG wake-up call if they don't want this Apple revolution to pass them by. Until then, I think the the typical college student is sticking to his MacBook and ipod).

[lil-yankee]

Already got the blue screen of death with windows 7, *** microsoft

[cooper145]

This article is titled " Ballmer to talk Windows 7, not ZunePhone, at CES" not " Windows vs. Mac".

[TechiKent]

What to say? OK, I will add my 2 cents.

MAC, PC, Linux, etc. We all have personal preferences like cars.

MAC's are good computers even though they are expensive. They are great for people who just want to get things done with a home computer. They are not good for the business world because that is not the market Apple has built them for. They lack the enterprise functionality that companies need. They also do not have the software which larger businesses require.

Windows PC?s are good computers as well. People like choices and since Microsoft Windows is designed to run on almost anything Intel/AMD based they tend to have a larger market share in the homes. When it comes to business this is where Microsoft rules because they designed Windows for the home and the business. Active Directory brings everything together for simple account management when there are more than say 10 computers up to 100,000 of computers. They also integrate all of their software to work together. The MAC was not designed for this. Novell knew this in their day but missed the boat in the late 90?s and lost out on the server and identity management market.

The MAC has always been more stable than Windows and also has fewer viruses. That is a given. The MAC has lagged behind Windows though when it comes to multitasking (truly preemptive) in the early days and now with SMP and 64bit. Yes that is all changing with OSX 10.6. Windows has been behind in the GUI at times.

Graphics, where are the high end cards for the MAC?. Hmmmmm
Games, where are the games? Oh yeah they do not have good graphic cards? only middle of the row.
Linux is like the MAC in a way. It was also designed for the home in mind. Where are the enterprise features?

Windows does have some extra baggage when compared to the MAC or Linux. One main reason is that it has so many features under the hood like Group Policies, drivers, and backwards compatibility. If I was a MAC owner I would have been a little upset to have to buy new software to run on Intel hardware when apple finally made the switch to Intel based hardware.
In the end Windows 7 is just another evolution of Windows NT. Don?t confuse Windows 3.1, Windows 95/98/ME with Windows 3.1/3.5x/NT/2000/XP/Vista/Windows 7. The later was designed for 32bit and now 64bit kernels or OS?s. Windows 7 is not Vista, it is more like XP was to Windows 2000. Windows Vista is 6.0 under the hood and Windows 7 is 6.1 under the hood. This is just like Windows 2000 was 5.0 and Windows XP was 5.1. Most Microsoft products that end in a .0 are not polished and just like OSX 10.0 was not good. Windows 7 will be good and will become that most common OS from Microsoft in the next few years just like XP.

I could go on and on, but it is time for bed.

Oh yeah, for the people that like bashing Microsoft buy using Micro$oft. They are a business and want to make money just like Apple does. We all work and want to make money to live a good life. The main thing the MAC people need to realize is that they spend almost twice as much for the same performance as a Windows based PC. Linux users of course spend less but might spend more time tweaking their systems to get them to work.

Cheers