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Even by the hitslink measurements that you cling to, Windows has been steadily shrinking over the past year, while OSX rises. Don't like it? Deal.
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So although if we use those same links it shows that MS share declined 1.3% over the year although the October numbers show it popped up again. But that aside. It shows MAC market share up .9%
But if you look at the trends.
Apple hardware shown to be running OS declined from 3.28 to 2.27 which does not mean much since they most likley own a license anyhow. But, it shows that MS OS operating on Apple hardware increased from 4.02% to 5.94%
So in the end Microsoft still holds from an OS stand point a greater share then it did at the start.
"Even by the hitslink measurements that you cling to, Windows has been steadily shrinking over the past year, while OSX rises. Don't like it? Deal."
I just read that you don't believe OS X has a place in the enterprise or business market, calling it only a 'consumer OS'. Your own words, calling it a consumer OS. You dismissed OS X in the enterprise market, despite that Apple has server products and that the majority of grapics professionals use OS X in their daily jobs. Your exact words:
November 3, 2008 5:01 PM PST
"OSX is a consumer OS"
And here you are complaining about Windows. Don't you ever give up? We all know you hate all things Microsoft, but it's truly amazing the lengths you'll go to slander, yes, slander, a product that you have yourself stated you do not use or support. Even more amazing you can speak with so much authority about an operating system you have never used.
Amazing indeed.
This is classic troll behavior, by the way. This is why you keep being mocked and ridiculed here in case you haven't noticed. People don't believe the BS you spout any longer.
Wake up.
What... oh sorry... the article put me to sleep (as did Windows 7!). You were saying...?
The only thing that are going to be seen, from now on.... small improvements. Fewer screens, more options on one screen, a 'one touch and your done' type of control scheme... basically, stuff like that.
Until we are able to have stuff built into our heads, that funnels the information from our computer DIRECTLY to our heads..... there isn't going to much more large improvements, speaking as a Microsoft fanboy.
Wait its the Linux guys who know it all. Lets look 98% market share..... and wait..wait .67% I thought 2007 was suppose to be the Year of Linux on the desktop with Microsoft dropping to less then 50% no that was 2005, or was it 2002, I think it was post Y2K everyone said. Maybe its next year now. I'm not sure ... but these kids here they don't understand...when will they learn to release an OS that the people don't buy? Heck Linux is free and they can't make a dent.
Want to see what Windows will look like in the future? Get a Mac today.
"...some attendees didn't even notice they were running the newer Windows."
If you can't tell the difference... there is no difference!
Oh and I challenge the average person to note the difference between Tiger and Leopard. Ohter then an OMG! Translucent bar, a small set of icon changes, and a wanna be 3D look on the dock its the same OS as 10.4, 10.3, 10.2, and 10.1. Only the fanbois would know the difference.
When Formula 1, one of the most advanced sports in the world went looking for someone to build the electronic control units (ECU) that manages the car's electronics, did they go to Apple? No the chose Microsoft, and Windows Server 2008 to process the terrabytes of data churned out by the telemetry from the cars. That's just one example of how Microsoft actually works in the real world.
"But I want my machine to be functional not look pretty. Why would I want to go with an OS that is so bloated that Apple has taken a cycle off to release a "optimized" version."
Bloated? Uh compared to what, Windows Vista?? You've gotta be kidding me! Windows Vista doesn't hold a candle to Mac OS X Leopard much less its predecessors. I like to get work done and Windows only gets in the way of such a task.
It's not really what you would call "bloated". They're just going to be rearranging certain things and reorganizing certain systems. They're going to be doing some updating that can't just be done in regular system updates. Such as moving to a 64 bit kernel, and making Finder cocoa based instead of carbon based. This isn't bloat, it's just large system changes, and most of it will never be noticed by the user, except that the OS will be more stable and run faster. The great genius behind OS X is that it is both highly functional and uniquely beautiful. Also don't forget Grand Central and Open CL!
~ During the keynote on Tuesday, all of the PCs scattered around the convention center for folks to check e-mail on were switched to Windows 7. Not everyone appeared to notice the change, though.
~ "It needs some work as far as usability is concerned," Matthew Firth, chief technology officer of online pet pharmacy PetCareRX, said as he tried to move an image across a touch screen with his hand. "The controls could be more intuitive.
~ "It looks like a re-packaged Vista" with "a little bit of eye candy," said Daniel McGloin, a software engineer at Intuit.
In other words... same old Windows Vista with nothing innovative or new on the horizon!
I try to keep an open mind, but if this is all they have, I'll just have to stick with Mac, even with all it's shortcomings!
2. As to not noticing the change.... of course you are not going to 'notice the change' unless you look at how much resources it is using. For f&%^'s sake, they said Windows 7 was NOT going to look very much different from Vista.... so if they say that, why wouldn't it be true!
3. As it being a 'repackaged Vista' with nothing innovative or new..... of course, they aren't going to be able to tell that in 10 minutes. You have to SPEND TIME WITH IT, look UNDER THE HOOD, go through ALL THE MENUS.... like I did when comparing a Mac with a Vista machine at Best Buy..... and decided I like the Vista machine a lot better.
The Freedom to Innovate (TM)
I laughed myself silly at the assumption that the Superbar is more like Mac than Windows. I invite everyone to look at the bar and show me any similiarity in looks or functionality to the Mac Doc other than it now supports links to apps that aren't running.
This is simply a ploy by design by Ina to get everyone all churned up, angry, and commenting to the max to improve her viewership and interaction. And unfortunately, your all falling fo rit. The features set of the Superbar includes improvements to the usabilty of icon buttons in the taskbar, how they interact with apps and previewing, removal of the quick launch area, improvements to how the apps can snap into place to facilitate specific uses, lock down of the system tray and so forth. These improvements are certainly useful and desired, but by no means does it mean that Microsoft has somone gone to being more like the Mac than Windows when comparing the Apple Doc to the Windows Superbar.
I predict Windows users will flock to this OS, and Mac users have nothing to worry about. Folks the whole coping issue is a dead one, get over it. There are only so many ways to interact with computers just like there are only so many ways to drive a car. My point is that you will see many many many similarites in ALL cars and ALL computers, and ALL OS's and ALL apps. The list goes on and on and on. Move on to something that makes sense to worry about.
Who ever made the decision to move Sinofsky and team over to Windows has made the right one. Windows XP users will now be able to upgrade to something they really want as soon as this OS is released. Microsoft does make mistakes just like all other companies, but the one thing I have learned over the years is that it does not take them long to get back on track. One OS version later we have a much improved OS that will allow mega millions of users who have invested in the Microsoft ecosystem of applications to move forward rapidly.
The thing is though, that Apple seems to get there first, and they seem to get the user interaction "just right" and they seem to do a better job at it. Then, other companies come along and see what improvements they've made, they decide that these improvements are a logical step forward, and the only way they can compete with Apple is to try and implement the same features and then invest in a bunch of marketing.
I agree that OS X users have nothing to worry about. I'm sure Apples' halo effect will continue to draw more people to their machines and MS will continue to misunderstand their customers. On top of that, Ballmer is a complete idiot and has no original or clear vision for his company.
No there are things that Apple has gotten right. There are things that MS has gotten right. Hell there are things that Linux has gotten way right. But in this case I consider MS's taskbar the best of breed.
- by Goodbye Helicopter November 3, 2008 7:48 AM PST
- Hmm... not only a bad copy of the OS X Dock,
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- by Jonathan November 3, 2008 8:13 AM PST
- Goodbye Helicopter,
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- by rapier1 November 3, 2008 8:14 AM PST
- Quick look, are you ouit of your mind?
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- by jakemochas November 11, 2008 7:16 AM PST
- get your facts striaght please!!!!
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Showing 1 of 3 pages (96 Comments)but Aero Peek???
Hello?!?! That's a copy of Quick Look!!!
MS has a Mac running Leopard.
That's how Aero Peek was born.
Why do they always have to copy and try to pretend they didn't?
You sir are full of crap. Quick look doesn't look at apps. Go shove your nose back up Steve butt where it belongs. Oh and as I stated before with my list....this crush's Apple half ***ed dock that was an afterthought for the OS since day one and they have done NOTHING with it since. The space is completely wasted with the dock. Apple has had 8 years to actually do something with the extra space there instead we load up quick launch icons and then watch as the dock gets smaller and smaller and smaller as we launch apps on top of that. Crap design that the fanbois will NEVER admit to. Instead the keep touting the party line as the OS gets buggier and buggier. Why do you think Apple annoiunced Snow Leopard won't contain many new feature and will be an "optimization" build. Its because they have to clean up 8 years of mess that has accumulated under the hood. Only two more weeks on my MBP before someone is buying it then I'm free. 3 years on this OS has made me understand just how good windows has been to me. It has its quirks, as does OS X, something I'm learned all too frequently, but at least in Windows I don't have to struggle with the OS to make it my own. The entire OS X experience has boiled down to: This is the way we do things and that is all there is to it. Sure you have some third party hackies to customize OS X. But this was why I went OS X to begin with. To try and get away from needing to tweak the crap out of the OS. In Windows case it was for security. In OS X's case its for customization. So at the end of the day its a toss up and if Apple and their fanbois are going to continue to be snobs who think their crap smells better then everyone else's, clue: it doesn't!, then I don't need to support such behavior. Screw you Apple and you damn form over function attitude. I don't need a supermodel for a computer. Out.
Quick look is entirely different.
Do you even own a Mac?