Comments on: Microsoft yanks Money off retail shelves

The software maker shifts its personal finance product to online-only sales with less frequent updates. Could it be a canary in the coal mine?

[ss_Whiplash]

Funny. After the nightmare of trying to get Money reinstalled after a system crash, I had planned to abandon their stupid online purchase system and go back to physical media. Now I guess I have no choice.

[The_Decider]

How about stop using that crappy program?

Or is that too obvious?

[technewsjunkie]

"Microsoft does not see shrink wrapped software going away anytime soon"

They also say "680K" is more than anyone will ever need. Reliable insight this company has.
They also almost missed the Internet! (browser)

I hope they stick to this prediction.

[Penguinisto]

To be fair, the meme was "640 KB", and there is no credible attribution of Gates having said it.

[Mr. Dee]

A lot of Microsoft consumer products are becoming more irrelevant these days, the first product I noticed this trend with is Encarta. Usually around July of each year, a new version would be announced, but its not the case. My personal feeling towards that product is, Wikipedia is the future of digital encyclopedias, Microsoft started the effort, now the Internet and Open Source are finishing it. I never understood why Digital Image Suite was discontinued, although I remember early during the Windows Vista betas, Windows Photo Library was toted as its successor, not that I see any features in it that would make it a definite successor, but I guess Microsoft saw tying its future to Windows was a better hope for survival. But, I think this is a right direction for Microsoft Money and I hope Microsoft just face the cost and reality that products like Encarta will need to be web based only and 'free' to compete with existing solutions that are working better because of the web. The eventuality that the web might make Microsoft need to push other establishments like Office to the browser is not far away I believe, but knowing Microsoft, they will fight it to the very end then embrace it, then ultimately dominate it.

[Penguinisto]

MSFT has had a habit of poking around in many new markets, only to back out before it went public. I remember in 1999 they had touted a beta of a Photoshop clone... which died long before they got it to market (trust me, it had a horrendous interface that made P-shop look user-intuitive by comparison).

As for the WWW, I think that MSFT sees the need to focus in that direction (as the OS in general becomes an irrelevant commodity). That said, IMHO they won't be able to make much more than a showing, let alone even try to dominate. They will then be forced to either provide actual value (for once), or die.

[gsekse]

It might take 10 year or so, but Microsoft is losing it's relevence in the market. It may have a 90% share now, but hey, at one time so did IBM. It's a big company that has lost it's ability, (like many big companies) to change with the times and modify their business model as they go along. Instead, for the last 5-10 years, they have tried to FORCE whatever idea they think is useful, down the consumer's throat. Yeah... Yeah... "and Mainframes are going to be the answer forever" sayeth all mighty IBM... (just before the fall)

[wildscribe]

As technewsjunkie has accurately pointed out MS always seems to be several steps behind the curve. Aside from buying a copy of MS Vista Business last year, I personally have not purchased any shrink-wrapped software since 2002. I am using Google docs as my desktop and I have installed Open Office as my office suite. I am using Ubuntu Linux as my operating system on several computers. And at work, I am gradually changing everyone over to Ubuntu. I know that I am not the only one doing this. I wonder when Microsoft will ever wake up! I think that that all those decision people in Redmond still believe it is 1998!!! WAKE UP!!!

[gthurman]

If Equipt contains a hosted version of Outlook, compatible with ActiveSync, it might be used to backup Mobile 5/6 which no longer ships Outlook with PDAs. That extra benefit adds value to conflicting reports of how much Office is bundled with OneCare and for what length of time.

[Ina Fried]

Equipt has the Home and Student version of Office, so Word, Excel, PowerPoint and OneNote--no Outlook. -Ina

[ethana2]

Yeah really, I'll think about using it when it shows up in my apt repos..
*cough*
Don't see it going away any time soon, do they? Well, they don't see a lot of things.

[oogabooga2000]

They also say "680K" is more than anyone will ever need. Reliable insight this company has.
They also almost missed the Internet! (browser)


*cough* ...I think you mean "640K". At least if conventional memory serves... ;-)

[sanenazok]

I want to point out another part of this story: abandoning idiotic yearly upgrades. I adapted Quicken back in the day (Win 3.1) and have been stuck as their ATM every few years. Now they expire their versions after three years. I was going to hold out on my Q2005 but then I got tired of entering everything by hand so off to eBay I go to buy Q2008. I wish Quicken would only update its software with new features, and not just because the calendar on the wall has changed. Maybe with MS Money less of a competition now Intuit won't be so desperate for dough.

[SJ2571]

Er, Money is/was a load of crap. They're probably pulling it from shelves because nobody wants it, that's all.

[Lerianis]

Microsoft Money isn't a 'load of crap'. Anyone who says that apparently hasn't used the program to realize that it is better than most of the competing products out there..... same as the BS that is pushed for Vista.

[Penguinisto]

With the advent of online banking (and many banks adding a shedload of nice tools for money management to their sites), a separate money app is kinda redundant. Nowadays, you can do pretty much the same things with a web-account at your bank and a decent spreadsheet app.

[regulator1956]

Many people have accounts at more than 1 financial institution - banks, brokerages, 401(k), etc.

I prefer to have a single app that combines everything.

[Penguinisto]

Multiple accounts combined mean lower security overall.

Why do you think you need an application that does what most people use a spreadsheet for at work?

[Mr. Dee]

I wouldn't be so quick to count Microsoft out. Microsoft would be considered the calm within the chaos of the 1980s because of how its software standardized the industry. Instead of IBM becoming a monopoly, it became just another PC vendor. IBM's reign on the PC industry in 80s was so short lived, 1981 to like 1983 with the introduction of other compatibles like Compaq, Dell, Tandy, Radio Shack, HP and many others because of a couple things, off the shelf components, MS-DOS and Intel x86. Microsoft has been around longer than IBM's dominant life span in the PC Industry and their doom have been predicted since the introduction of Netscape and Java and now Linux/OpenSouce, but Microsoft continues to be successful. As for the case of the Company's software becoming irrelevant, if Windows and Office is irrelevant because of the web, then so is OS X, Linux and Open Office. People still believe in those two platforms (Office and Windows), they are standards, guaranteed to work, well supported. Software in the future is not doomed, there is nothing to worry about, there will be no paradigm shifts, just a change in location, a lot of what we do today will be done mostly through the browser and their is certainly an opportunity for it with Microsoft's own software and they realize it but are milking it for what its worth between now and the time they do decide to webify their entire product line. There is one Office application that has been webified Outlook through Outlook Web Access component of Exchange Server which is based on AJAX. There are still issues to work out in terms of making it easy to program, maintain, provide redundancy, synchronization and 100% availability. And maybe once all those kinks are worked out, Microsoft will push Office completely to the web, through a number of channels, either through MS Partners hosting it or on their own servers. Microsoft is just as important in this race to make the web the place for everything. Everybody today is in its infancy, we are nowhere near to realizing what will happen in the next 10 to 15 years.

[Penguinisto]

"Microsoft is just as important in this race to make the web the place for everything."

No it isn't. The WWW existed before Microsoft even had a native TCP/IP stack in Windows. The Internet has existed just fine without Microsoft, and can easily continue to do so (in fact, things would be a whole lot less congested without the countless Windows-based viruses and other malware bouncing around).

[t8]

I might download Windows if it was a free product with no ads or if they paid me to use it.

[t8]

I think this means that Microsoft is going to release an online version of Money in Office Live to compete with Google Docs.

[Mr. Dee]

I can't see a tie in between Office Live and an Online version of Microsoft Money except for traditional functionality like exporting data sets to Office programs like Excel. Right now, the decision is to stop pushing out minor versions of Money in shrink wrapped boxes in retail. It just does not make sense with incremental improvements each year. People still don't realize how integrated with the web Microsoft products have become over the years, Windows Update and the products own ability to update through the web get new features really breaths new life into the products. I believe if Money is going to embrace the web, either by becoming download only for new versions or updates or becoming a browser only service, its a win-win for the Company and its customers. No need to spend money packaging, no need to go to a brick and mortar store or order a new version, you always are guaranteed the latest version. The only thing left to do is position other products in this direction and means Office and Windows own built in apps.

[t8]

If MS isn't making much money from Money, then as a strategic move, they could have a hosted version to compete with Google. As it stands, MS don't want to host Office because they make so much money out of it as software, but if they aren't making much money from Money, then use it to compete with Google. Google don't have a financial hosted app yet. This way Microsoft is providing something that Google doesn't have and they are not making a big sacrifice to do it. It could also be a good test for their ad system.

[Had_to_be_said]

MICROSOFT SAYETH:

You dont own the software you pay for.


THE SUPREME COURT RULES:

If you possess a "physical-copy" of software, YES, you DO "own" it.


CONSUMERS SAY:

If, I pay for it... I will decide how I use it, where, and for how long.


MICROSFT NOW SAYS:

We will be phasing-out "physical copies" of software (in favor of downloads and "remotely-hosted", software). Its the future that everybody wants.

Figure it out..!

[chuck_whealton]

I'm a bit surprised there isn't yet an Open Source financial product that can provide the same functionality of Microsoft Money or Quicken.

Charles R. Whealton
Charles Whealton @ pleasedontspam.com

[Mr. Dee]

chuck_whealton,

Linux does have finance software here are few: GnuCash, CBB and PearBudget , but I am sure they are just as limited as Microsoft Money version 1.0.

[bruceslog]

Shhhh !! Why are you trying to wake them up ?
They're becoming sleepy and less relevant with each passing year.. let them sleep !
Allow other, better options ( Linux, Open Office, Google, etc ) a chance to stretch and grow without being stomped on by the big, clumsy, sleepy beast.
Shhhhhhhh ! : )

[t8]

He he. Nice one.

:)

[Penguinisto]

@Mr Dee:

Most money apps are pretty useless nowadays. Before banking-on-the-web, there was a need and use for something to maintain household budgeting and the like. MS Money has, as you've indicated, become pretty redundant.

I also agree with you that MSFT played a pretty prominent role in the PC revolution, but by no means was it the only player. MSFT got ahead for one big reason initially: superior marketing. The products were always somewhat buggy, but MSFT always managed to leverage what they had into something bigger.

Nowadays they are the ones who are moribund, slow-moving, and confused. IBM was smart enough to see long ago (after the OS/2 shafting) that the OS in general would become a mere commodity, and moved strongly into services and the enterprise, where the majority of its bread-and-butter is still produced. Not bad for a company that was founded on selling typewriters and 'adding machines' in the 19th century. :)

Question is, where will Microsoft be in 100 years, when they reach the same age that IBM is now? Personally, I doubt that they last even half as long.