Comments on: At MTI Micro, pushing fuel cells for portables

MTI Micro's goal is to displace lithium ion batteries in portable gadgets. The first fuel cells, it says, are due in 2009.
(Posted in Green Tech by Hanna Sistek)
Photos: Fuel cells for cameras

[Maarek Stele]

Good idea, Bad idea

What he's holding is a micro turbine engine powered by methanol. Frankly, putting an exhaust up to my face from my electronic device is not a viable option. Most, if not all portable electronics have closed cases to help prevent dust from getting into it. This will make the SLR bulky due to the ventilation system required for the power.

Frankly, I can see more people using the methanol to make their crystal Meth or selling it on the street.

Sorry to say, this falls under Bad Idea.

[skrubol]

Not as bad as you think.

The standard battery for the shown camera is a 7.4v, 1350mAH battery, so just shy of 10WH of power. The battery grip the fuel cell is compared to holds 2 batteries, so 20WH of power. At 5kWH/L energy density (assuming the stated number is the output of the fuel cell, not raw energy density,) 4 mL of methanol is consumed. At around .8 g/mL, that's about 3.6 g of methanol. There are 44 grams of CO2 and 36 g H2O produced for every 32 grams of methanol (CH3OH,) so 4.95 g of CO2 and 4.05 g of water are produced for the 2800-4000 pictures taken. This should give at least an hour of picture taking time (at about 1FPS, roughly the write speed of pro digital cameras when shooting raw, continuously for the hour.) In the same time, the photographer will exhale somewhere between about 24 and 40 g of C02. So having this "exhaust" in your face will probably not be noticeable.
Also to put that in context, a 20oz soda or 2 pints of beer contain about the same amount of CO2 as this puts off on a full fill.

[vanbrua]

What is this the fifth press release from MTI Micro about another use for their PLANNED fuel cell? It would be news if someone actually did a report on its reliability and usability or if they actually started selling them. Like 90% of the "news" in the Green Tech section, this is not news.

[vanbrua]

Oops, I posted on the wrong MTI story.

[3en]

hello

[drblevy13]

HOW IS THIS A GOOD IDEA??? Add another million carbon dioxide emitting devices into the marketplace? A small amount of CO2 x millions = BIG amount of CO2. How did this ever get considered a green technology? There must be a better way.

[sportbikerr1]

Wow... I'm dumbfounded... wow. You people have no idea of the big picture. Before you freak out about something you should think about it and know the facts first. The question you should be asking on this technology is.... Is methanol fuel cells more efficent and cleaner than the energy we get from the wall that we use to charge our lithium ion batteries? I don't see it in this report but i'm thinking theres gotta be something to this technology. Plus there's other factors like size transportation etc.

Things need to be taken into perspective before you jump on them. What??? Radiation??? thats bad lets ban everything that emits it!!! Kiss your monitors and other electronics goodbye people. (k)

You all also exhale small amounts of CO2 when you breath, so I you should do the world a favour and stop breathing. ;-)

Think! (y)

[MarkDRichards]

The REAL question is, how much will the refill cartridges cost? it costs what a few cents to recharge your cell phone today by plugging it in. I doubt these refill cartridges will be cost effective, unless you are a photographer at the olympics and need to take 8,000 pictures a day. This is just another technology solely design to nickel and dime us to death.

[drblevy13]

Thank you Sportbikerr1 for educating the physician that we all exhale CO2. The entire paradigm of methanol cells is flawed. We should be thinking above and beyond; technologies using hydrogen fuel cells are MUCH cleaner than methanol. The emission from hydrogen cells is water vapor. Albeit water vapor is as much of a greenhouse gas as CO2, it can be condensed to liquid water. This is true renewable energy. To advocate millions of CO2 producing devices without having an idea regarding its environmental impact is just as bad as the status quo.

[fredtheviking]

I agree this is a cool technology and interesting idea. But I agree those that say this is not a green techonology. Even if by today standards it produces less emission than pulling a battery into the wall (which I doubt is true). Then it will be polluting when our electric is more green. I know batteries themselves are toxic when throw away, but they can be recycle. So at the end of the day I would rather have a recharge battery then use methonal, please remove this article out of green tech.

[Lerianis]

I'm sorry to point this out, but the problem is NOT that battery technology is 'inefficient'. The problem is that devices today suck too much power, especially laptops, doing things that they should NOT be sucking power for.
Maybe SIPPING power, but not sucking it like a camel at an oasis in the desert.