Comments on: Refurbishing an old approach to PC recycling

For years, people have proposed updating and reusing old PCs. Carbon taxes and other factors finally may make the idea realistic.

[jibergmann]

PC Recycling

Is there a check list on the process of upgrading an old PC vs trashing the unit?

Thank you

JIB

[Voodoo101]

Recycling

My home network is mostly old machines. I run two 2+ GHz P4s, an iMac G3, a P III, and 4 laptops... a P III, 2 P2s and an old PowerBook 1400. The Pentiums all run Linux of one distro or another...depending on resources and what I do with it. The P III laptop is my wife's and one PII is my 8 year-old's. My 14 year-old uses the P III desktop.

The point is that no new hardware was used on any of these machines and they all perform normally with new Linux distros. [http://The P II laptops run Puppy 3.01, the P IIIs run Mepis and PCLinuxOS just fine.|http://The P II laptops run Puppy 3.01, the P IIIs run Mepis and PCLinuxOS just fine.]

If you want to do a lot with Windows.....stick to XP on (preferably) nothing older than a fast (400 MHz) PII or a PIII. If you plan on new games?.don?t use an old machine, but for ?normal? work these are workable suggestions.

[Bill_I]

Re-use vs recycle

This process begins to sound like the automotive business, where cars and trucks are rented out or leased for three years, then passed along to those who can't afford new. One man's trash is another man's treasure. This was written on an old HP P1 running W2K at 633 MHz, it works just fine. Got a second one on eBay for $50. Monitors are Trinitron CRTs, they aren't lightweight or compact, but go on working.

[lweight]

recycled library computers

I am the "accidental IT" librarian at a small public library district. When we upgrade our public computers, I reformat the hard drives, reinstall the licensed copy of the operating system and give them to our Friends of the Library organization to sell, usually for $75.00 or less, depending on processor, RAM, HD and if any extra software is included. People who purchase them include hobbyists, families who want an older computer for younger children to play older games on without Internet access, and seniors who want to do some simple word processing and just get the general "feel" of a computer without being afraid of breaking it, in the privacy of their own home. I have done this with 16 PCs, four iMacs and 1 G4 in the last three years. Everyone who got one has been happy. It should be noted that these computers never had any sensitive information on them of any kind. When they were in use at the library they were very locked down, with no access to the C: drive for the public and with software installed that "ghosted" the computer back to its original configuration whenever it was rebooted. Staff computers and servers get their hard drives pulled and are given to the Friends to sell for parts only. But they do sell! We rarely have to pay to recycle any hardware.

[Raabscuttle]

Big deal - Geeks have been selling for years

Why is this news now? Geeks.com has been selling tons of low priced refurbed laptops and systems for years

[David Goldbeck]

Reuse Beats Recyling

There is a reason that reuse comes before recycling - it is because the "3-Rs" are a hierarchy. The idea is to first reduce (consumption) and then reuse, and when reuse is no longer possible THEN recycle. I am glad you are promoting reuse as it has substantial environmental, economic and charitable benefits but is often misunderstood and overlooked. If you are interested in an exploration of reuse in all areas please take a look at my book, ?Choose to Reuse.? (coauthored with Nikki Goldbeck) or contact me about supporting Reuse Opportunities, Inc. a nonprofit I formed to promote reuse. David Goldbeck /[e-mail]

[kgsbca]

trade in computers sooner?

The computer manufacturers want companies to buy new computers sooner rather than later, and it's supposed to be better for the environment? Yes, that sounds counter-intuitive, but that's because it's counter-reality.

While that would be better for the manufacturers, it's not going to reduce the number of computers out there. If users hold on to computers longer, the reduced demand will drive prices lower. If the manufacturers want to sell more computers, especially to the poorer nations and consumers, then they will be forced to develop less expensive systems.

Many of the 7 year old systems would be fine if they weren't running Vista, or even XP. I'm not advocating using w98, but if the would-be customers of refurb computers mainly use it for web apps, linux will be more than enough for those users running on a 1 GHz x86 with 256MB of DRAM. No need to feed those systems into the chipper.

Please don't be a shill for the Wintel economy.

[lingsun]

Turn North Dakota into one giant landfill

We can still throw things away that we don't want. Just take a state nobody uses like North Dakota and make it one giant landfill

[Leria]

You cannot refurbish laptops

You cannot realistically refurbish some types of computer, like laptops. Any other computer can be refurbished, but let's face facts here: when a person is looking to get rid of a computer today, it is usually SOOOOOOOOO dated that no one else would want to use it.

That was the case with my old E-Machines computer: I recycled the whole case except for a very few plastic parts and tried to recycle the internals..... but no one wanted them because they were over 6 years old!

After 5 years, a PC is so dated that the only thing it is good for is landfill waste or recycling metals in the motherboard, case and other parts.

[kieranmullen]

Refurb laptops

Turn them into digital picture frames cheaper than you can buy smaller ones for.

[eastmanweb]

I "refurbished" my 2001 laptop

It's gotten to the point that even "old" laptops still can be very useful with just a few modifications. For example, I "refurbished" my laptop be deleting all unused software, connecting my DSL service to it, and installing Firefox 1.5 and the free version of Zone Alarm firewall. Now I can easily watch YouTube videos, do online banking and check email. I also have Adobe Illustrator 9 and Photoshop 4 on it...and this is using WindowsMe.

By the way, I wrote this response on it. :)

[stalexone]

Not true

I think you're looking at this from a Windows perspective only. I challenge you to take PCLinuxOS 2007 or Mepis7.0 or Debian 4.0, install it on that 5 year old computer, then tell us how well it runs. You will quickly find that on computers dating back even to 1999 that Linux runs very well on them. Laptops can be a challenge, but I've had ample success running SAMLinux 2007 on Thinkpad 600 laptops, which are Pentium II with less than 200MB RAM.

Check it out.

[OldHackRik]

Always done it anyway

Since our first 486, and then a couple of shop built machines, we have built our own. My kids always wanted more than I need so over time I have used their hand-me-downs to build whatever I need. I used a Toshiba 2595XDVD for years, Nearly 10 years, before my kids felt remorse and gifted me with a Dell Inspiron 1520 not too long ago, And then one of my sons produced a Vista Ultimate package and gifted that to me also. After getting rid of the Dell C: stuff, I am very happy with Ultimate on this machine. I still use the 2595XDVD for it's floppy port, and everything is on our home network. Me - with four computers, son Eric with two, or three, and son Jon with two,
or three. Each son aged 26 (twins) works for a major IT firm. Both went through UW. I can say, as a matter of fact, that everything we do with respect to the reuse of components is a normal experience. Their components trickle down to me.

[Ravin RoadKill]

North Dakota???

Nah, let's not screw up ND. How about Washington, D.C.? Maybe we could send enough to make it sink.

[rhoughto]

Shorter Lifecycle = Higher TCO

I agree with my colleague Jeff Ziegler's comments that reuse is the best recycling--a position that that I have advocated to clients since 1998. Shortening asset lifecycles to capture greater resale value accomplishes only two things: higher Total Cost of Ownership for the enterprise, and more sales/profits for the manufacturers. Companies that take a disciplined approach to lifecycle planning understand that even older assets can be resold by those who understand the markets, and that only the OEMs benefit from early retirement.

Bob Houghton, President Redemtech

[wilgar67]

Refurbishing older computers

I have been given older computers and monitors and have refurbished them and supplied them to Welfare clients with families who cannot afford them free of charge.You should see the look on there faces when I have taken it over and set it up for them.
Priceless !
Gary

[spunkybandit]

Thats cool

The way I look at it as long as you can do a total reload on a hard drive and it can be use to go online regardless of how old it is, then that is cool. I would rather give an old Pc to a fammly that cant aford one than throw it away. Even if it may have an old OS system on it, but at least to that fammly its new to them. Plus they can go online with it besides. It does not matter how old it is . It is how you apply the appercation. I have 4 old pc I use. One used for only garden stuff then an old lap top wife uses in the kitchen for all of her recipe's & dinner idea's. Then one is use as a cd music machine and last the other as an game machine only. Just reformat the hard drive an load an OS system to it and your good to go.