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Microsoft said its Xbox 360 had the strongest holiday season of its lifetime, while Sony and Nintendo both tout their own sales success.
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If the Wii is selling so well, how is it that you're quoting 15.4 million units since 2006, but also note that worldwide the PS3 has sold 20 million? Are you ambiguously mixing worldwide sales of PS3 and Xbox 360 with US sales of the Wii, and if so, what is the measure of worldwide sales of the Wii?
No it hasn't.
If the Wii has sold 15.5 million in the US(NPD), 7 million in Japan (Famitsu/Media Create), then lest be generous and give the Wii 12 million sales in Europe, that gives you 34.5 million, no? Even if you add in Canada and Australia and make that say 2 million, you are still talking 36.5 million. Lets be even more generous and make it all 38 million from the "other" category, and you are still nowhere close to 48 million.. Still short by the 10 million your plucked from thin air.
Last I checked, Wii had a 49.4% market share of current generation hardware. MS and Sony add up to the remaining 50.6%. So, with those percentages, and the figures from this article (which are admittedly hard to follow because the author mixes US and worldwide sales indescriminately), I come up with Wii sales of 48M units.
Vgchartz is utter rubbish. NO self respecting publication takes their figures seriously.
"Last I checked, Wii had a 49.4% market share of current generation hardware"
Say who? You just pluck figures from thin air?
"So, with those percentages, and the figures from this article (which are admittedly hard to follow because the author mixes US and worldwide sales indescriminately), I come up with Wii sales of 48M units"
I just proved in my post above, by going through Wii sales country by country, using recognized nationla tracking outfits like NPD, GfK, Charttrack , Famitsu, Media Create etc, that there is simply no way , Wii sales are 48 million right now.
If you think the Wi has sold 48 million, you are gonna have to prove that, by giving is in exactly what countries those 48 million units were sold at. And don't even think of quoting me the fraudulent figures from vgchartz. It's been proved they lie all the time and make figures up.
I would not be surprised that Nintendo announces they had shipped ~46 million at the end of 2008 in their next earnings release later this month.
That makes it less than 30 million actually sold to consumers.
Even if Nintendo sold 5 million in the US in the last quarter, and another 3 million the Europe, adding in the 500, 000 it sold in Japan, plus another million for the rest of the wotld outside Europe, and you still have less than 40 million Wii's actually sold.
Untill you are able to come up with exactly where you are plucking your numbers from, and in what countries those "48 milion " or "46 million" or whatever the heck figures that you can make up from, you are just blowing hot air.
@gerrg: The Wii has sold (apparently) 4m units in December.
And the same Microsoft understimated 360 demand last year so much so that, there were severe 360 sortages from November 2007 through February 2008.
It's easy enough to get close to the 28 million 360' sold through:
Over 8 million in EMEA(Charttrack, GfK))
~1.2 Million in Canada (Estimating 140k or so Dec NPD) + ~14 Million in the US (Assuming 1.5 million Dec NPD , with NPD LTD to November at 12.5 million), making 15.2 million
~800k JP
~500k AU
That is 24.5 million sold through right there.
Add in another 2.5 million for the rest of WW including Mexico and the rest of Aisa and South America, and that leaves a possible only 1 million in the channel.
BTW, It was a troll question. You can always be relied upon to troll every single Microsoft thread with yet another foaming at the mouth comment.
And why are the console "play times" ordered #1 (PS2) #3 (Wii) #2 (Xbox 360) #5 (PS3) #4 (Xbox)?
Whats happening is that resellers, dealers or whatever you want to call them don't just order products from OEMs for free. Essentially they buy them from the OEM so what you see on store shelves is not a true reflection of actual sales because the reseller/dealer now owns the product until the consumer buys it from them.
Can a Nielsen box tell the difference between movies and games on a PS2/X360?
Yes they can, beause in the same release, they listed the top 10 most played PC games for 2008 ( # 1 World of Warcraft ), meaning their equipment is able to measure what is actually being played on a console/PC, rather than merely noting that it's turned on.
There is a BIG difference between getting numbers for PC games that require internet access and getting numbers for game consoles that don't require internet access at all. I think Zoobie has a point about how time on the console is used. I don't think a Nielson box can tell a difference. (technologically, it would be nearly impossible for a computer to tell the difference between DVD and a game.) I also question whether their survey pool skewed the data to favor non-wii consoles. If they surveyed only those who would describe themselves as gamers, then people who prefer to play casual games like those on the wii probably wouldn't have had much input.
Stop talking nonsense.
Nielsen's measures of PC game playing has nothing to do with internet access. For example, the 3rd most played game was Halo: Combat Evolved , a lot of which is played in single player mode. The Nielsen proprietry device attaches directly to the PC or video game console, and measures actual game play. It does not, repeat, not measure playing movies on DVD's.
Stop trying to make excusres just because the 360 beat the Wii in total vodeo game play time.
" I think Zoobie has a point about how time on the console is used. I don't think a Nielson box can tell a difference"
You "don't think"?. That's pretty weak isn't it? Why don't you check the Nielsen site? Easy enough to do isn't it?
You excuses are getting more pathetic by the minute. You might consider stopping and embarrasing yourself further.
And no, "Zoobie" has NO point.
"Can a Nielsen box tell the difference between movies and games on a PS2/X360?"
Of course they can.
They wouldn't say so if they couldn't. And Nielsen is the most respected outfit out there for measuring TV ratings in this country. They have been for decades. Their technology for merasuring these things have been fienly tuned for a very long time.
Neither the Wii, nor the 360, nor the PS3 even came close to selling twice as much in December 2007, as they did in November 2007.
360 PS3 Wii
Nov 2007 770,000 466,000 981,000
Dec 2007 1,260,000 798,000 1,350,000
"By comparison, Wii sales skyrocketed 108 percent, from 981,000 to 2.04 million "
Even if Wii December sales "skyrocket" (to use your word) by 108% in December from last year's sales, that still gives you 2,808,00 Wii's sold in Decmeber, not 4 million.
Neilsen only has their measuring devices in US homes. It would be more accurate to refer to 42 million PS2 US users.
- by GiggleWonk January 6, 2009 5:29 PM PST
- This is very encouraging news for the gaming industry.
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