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Comments on: Microsoft's open-source patent threat still intact

Microsoft truly is sharing more--but it still insists that companies selling or using some open-source software must license Microsoft patents.

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Punish the Good Samaritan
by cmwendy February 21, 2008 11:28 AM PST
This falls under the rubric, "no good dead shall go unpunished."

Thus, under the author's analysis, no competitive move could be made by such a company because it must move from pure motivations...and clearly, MS has "scienter" working against.

Baloney.

Does it matter how the company arrived at its new direction? The info will still be gobbled up - even by the FOSS-oriented (their latest guilty pleasure).

Congratulations, MS! This analysis/story reveals those against you feel truly scared. You're on the right trail.
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exactly
by glowerfish February 21, 2008 11:39 AM PST
Its unbelievable how a negative spin can be put on anything MS. The press release says, the patents can be obtained for a lower cost fo rlicensing. Obviously the author left that detail out.
MS poisoning the waters
by samkass February 21, 2008 11:46 AM PST
The issue here is that MS is making vague, meaningless promises not to sue for "non-commercial" work (a term that I don't think has any legal definition) in exchange for putting their file formats and protocols out there. Now it will be difficult for a clean-room re-implementation because many developers will be tainted by these documents and agreements. The patent issue is mostly a red herring, since there's nothing innovative in any of these documents or protocols-- just a burden to use them because of de-facto standards.

So we'll be left with Microsoft taking a larger and larger cut out of America's productivity in exchange for contributing nothing.
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No Good Deed Goes Unpunished
by Renegade Knight February 21, 2008 11:52 AM PST
However I see no good deeds here.
Easy, now.
by Shankland February 21, 2008 1:25 PM PST
I'm not trying to say Microsoft is being good or evil here, just that one pretty important part of its earlier position is totally unchanged. Given that a huge amount of the real-world significance of open-source software is its commercial development and use, today's move isn't as significant as it might appear at first glance.

That said, if Microsoft were to go open-source whole-hog (the way for example Sun Microsystems has), it would be fascinating watching the open-source movement's response. I wouldn't expect Microsoft's dominance on the desktop to budge much, for example.
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spoken like a true tard
by I love Bill Gates February 21, 2008 5:34 PM PST
you are an idiot..
Punish? Good Samaritan?
by JJSans February 21, 2008 6:12 PM PST
A pundit wrote an editorial. How does that rate as punishment?

And if you really believe that Microsoft is doing this from pure motivations, I've got some dihydro-peroxide to sell you for $50 US an ounce. MS is a for-profit company, as they so often remind us, and the reason they are releasing their APIs is because they believe they can improve their profits by doing so. If they didn't, they would be subject to lawsuits from their investors.

The complaint that many developers have with this move is that the API specs can change without notice, may be incomplete, and are encumbered by patents. If MS were motivated by "pure" intentions, they would use open standards which would not be weighted down by these problems.

Of course many for profit companies in the IT business use truly open standards because it benefits their customers _and_ is profitable. This is why the internet is so widespread, anyone can write a program using open standards, such as TCP/IP and HTML, and expect it to work with any other system using those standards. If all we had were the APIs from a dozen different companies, it would be difficult to impossible to write client software that worked effectively. And the ones that did exist would be so expensive, most people could not afford them.

With that in mind, you should pause to consider how much further we could have progressed if MS wasn't a monopoly.

Later . . . Jim
FREE!!! EVERYTHING FOR FREE!!!
by kojacked February 21, 2008 12:07 PM PST
Patent or no patent why should Microsoft have hand over software they wrote for free?

Let's see I'll write some software, give it to you for free, and let you make money off of it... That makes perfect sense if you believe in communism.
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Another illiterate
by I love Bill Gates February 21, 2008 5:31 PM PST
Like Pixelslave you have little or no understanding of what was written. Maybe you could find someone to explain it to you.
Try to be patient with them, ilbg
by JJSans February 21, 2008 5:49 PM PST
Microsoft is not releasing any code, they are releasing APIs. This is similar to, but not quite the same as open standards.

Open standards are the things that allow you to buy any brand of lightbulb at any store and have it fit in your lamp (assuming the obvious issues are correct).

By releasing their APIs, they are providing the specifications for interacting with their applications. This is not the same as an open standard, because only they can modify the specs, and they can also withhold some information.

The free part is their choice, but considering how long it took them to make this move, it is reasonable to assume that they believe they can make more money by releasing the APIs, than not. Time will tell on that one, but the rest of the IT world seems to be surviving just fine using fully open standards, such as TCP/IP, HTML, SMTP, etc.

Later . . . Jim
M'rf*krs For Consumer Choice, eh?
by fokwp February 21, 2008 12:39 PM PST
Microsoft, alias M'rf*krs For Consumer Choice, again takes pains to assure us all that leaving it all in the hands (and pockets) of MS will in the long run assures us the best software at the fairest price, an easy path to developing add-ons for their system, and - above all- Consumer Choice - as long as you choose a MikeySoft owned-and-lawyered product, that is!
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Any point to that comment?
by Hernys February 21, 2008 6:03 PM PST
Other than the insults, I don't see the point you are trying to make.
Is it that:
1) Microsoft is a commercial company and thus they are trying to make money? Yes, they are, that's the whole point in running a business.
2) Microsoft claims they are the best alternative? Well, it would be stupid to run a business by claiming your competitors are better.
3) Something else I can't imagine.
CNet keeps hiring brain-dead writer
by Pixelslave February 21, 2008 12:40 PM PST
If CNet keeps hiring brain-dead writer like this one, I can't see the future of CNet. The logic of this article is totally bizarre. According to Stephen Shankland, MS should hire programmers to code (and pay them a good amount of money), then give it out for FREE to other companies to make money out of their software.

Let me make a proposal, Stephen. Why don't you go to CNet's CEO, and politely asks him to continue to pay you, but gives out all CNet's content for free for everyone who wants to make money out of its content. If you succeed, please let me know, because my wife's business can use some help from CNet's large library of product reviews!
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I'm not advocating, I'm just describing a big caveat
by Shankland February 21, 2008 1:19 PM PST
To be clear, I wasn't advocating that Microsoft should give away all its software as open-source. I was saying that although Microsoft made some significant concessions to open-source programmers, one earlier element of its position--that companies need to license its patents--hasn't changed.

As an aside, regarding free CNET content, I'd steer your attention toward CNET's Open Content Platform:

http://pressreleases.cnetnetworks.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=67325&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1085613

"Publishers can incorporate CNET Networks content through plug-and-play brand widgets available at www.cnetnetworks.com/partnerships, or work with CNET Networks to develop a customized partnership."
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Pixelslave needs help.
by I love Bill Gates February 21, 2008 5:29 PM PST
You should get someone to read the article and translate for you. Is English a second language? The writer only explained MS's position. You completely missed the message.
Ms is brain dead.
by inachu February 21, 2008 1:09 PM PST
desktop.
GUI

menus that drop down are not inventions from microsoft.

Maybe the taskbar is microsofts.... not sure though.
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MS firsts
by Hernys February 21, 2008 5:53 PM PST
Graphical UI based spreadsheet (XL for Mac preceded Quattro)
Easy app prototyping for basic users (VB)
Taskbar based desktop
File system/desktop analogy integration
Assistant (OK, perhaps you hate this one)
Automatic online OS patching
Object Linking and Embedding (copy and paste of external structured application data)
Cleartype
Self tuning DB
Multimaster Directory
Media Center
Tabs in dialog boxes (I can't think of any precedent, though I might be wrong).
Tablet PC
Online Satellite view Global Mapping Web Service (TerraServer in 1998)
Print Preview (in Project 2.0)
Format Painter
Autocomplete (InteliiSense)

Never saw them suing for any of those. Of course, you'll always be able to find some precedent for any of those, but that can also be said of ANY innovation at all. There's always a precedent for anything.
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C'mon, Monkeyboy! Assert! Do it!
by Sumatra-Bosch February 21, 2008 6:57 PM PST
Monkeyboy knows he can never assert because the moment he attacks anyone for infringement against some bogus claim in a MSFT patent, and they're all bogus, there will be 664 companies attacking MSFT's assertion and moving to invalidate the patent.

This annoying tactic of Ballmer's is proof positive that MSFT is not a software company but a barely competent law firm (who can forget the anti-trust follies?) and Junior-Achievement organized crime ring that just incidentally develops unstable operating systems and bloated, nearly useless office 'productivity' software.

What next from Monkeyboy? Walking around department stores, biting the faces of people carrying iPods?

Stephen, please call up 30 patent lawyers and ask them to dissect Ballmer's claims. It's called reporting. Listening to a guy with a bizarre kind of Tourettes that provokes him to spout legal pornography and quoting him verbatim is just your weird way of making fun of the handicapped. Shame on you.
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Why should MSFT Give Away It's patents
by pabonatl February 21, 2008 9:20 PM PST
I thinks it's great that MSFT is sharing information. Why should they provide a free lunch to developers claiming to make OSS, benefit from their years of work and billions spent. Those developers seeking to make commercial software should pay for privilege. It wasn't free to MSFT.

Why should any government agency have the right to tell a company that it must support oss standards or any other software standards. The market should decide. I guarantee ya' that if MSFT doesn't produce software that customers want it won't be in business for long, but judging by it's last fiscal quarter, it's doing something right. Just look at Sun! She might still be around, but she ain't what she used to be!

And, getting standards approvel for office file formats, is just a formality. Regardless, of what the outcome of the vote, OOXML is the STANDARD. 1,000,000,000 + installations says it is.
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This doesn't make sense.
by I love Bill Gates February 22, 2008 1:49 AM PST
Read the article again. Your comments are just random thoughts not connected to any of the information provided. Also you need to read up on what the definition of standard. Just think if we were running NetBui instead of tcp/ip for example. MS is anti-capitalist with their actions.
by eggaweb October 8, 2008 5:48 PM PDT
A free lunch for developers? Microsoft gets free labour and then gets to charge if it goes commercial for the developers. It's a good first step though. Now it's time to open up the Windows.
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