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Who has the better SLR line today, Canon or Nikon? Vote and tell us why.

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*Yawn*
by jumpjetta December 4, 2007 12:27 PM PST
Most decent photographers are really sick of the Nikon vs.
Canon "discussion". It really boils down to subjective preference.
Both are tools, and both do their jobs really well.

A really good writer and photographer, Ryan Brenizer, writing on
an Amazon blog said this:

"I primarily use Nikon gear, because you have to use something,
and it works well for me. This is a very weak bias, though ? I
shot my last wedding with a Canon and Fuji body, and loved
them both. There are things I love and dislike about every
camera I?ve ever used, which includes just about all of the major
camera lines, and I find nothing more tedious than photography
brand debates."

http://www.amazon.com/gp/blog/A1K7OB8VJ7CMKI/

That pretty much sums it up. If you're pounding a nail, do you
want to use the Klein Tools hammer or the Stanley hammer? Use
whatever feels good in your hand. Does the brand really matter?
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Brand has meaning
by QuetzalcoatlUSA December 4, 2007 12:55 PM PST
I would think most decent photographers are able to ignore
debates they are sick of. But if not, OK, brand debates are - on
their face - fairly uninformative. But to boil it down to "whatever
feels good in your hand" is no more an informed way to choose an
SLR than by brand alone. Seriously, though, if brand means nothing
why do companies fight so hard to build and maintain them?
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no copping out here: what would you advise
by Shankland December 4, 2007 5:45 PM PST
The genesis of this poll is the fact that so many people today ask me what brand of SLR they should buy. Sure, they're not going to go terribly wrong with either Canon or Nikon these days, but for somebody who's about to buy not only a camera costing hundreds of dollars but who is about to enter an ecosystem of lenses and camera bodies that it's expensive to leave, the question is important. So how about it: if your best friend was asking you this, and his or her respect for your expertise was on the line, what would you advise? No copping out!
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What do downgrade to?
by basraw December 4, 2007 12:50 PM PST
What should I be look at with the Point and Shoot models?

I want something for my bag to carry around.
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some SLR-wannabe compact camera options
by Shankland December 4, 2007 5:41 PM PST
This guide is a bit dated, but it still might be useful for you to look at:

http://www.news.com/8301-13580_3-9767018-39.html

Since I wrote it, the Canon G7 had been replaced by the G9, the Nikon's P5000 with the P5100, and the Olympus SP-550UZ with the SP-560UZ.
ISO of 25,600?
by hawkeyeaz1 December 4, 2007 12:59 PM PST
Canon cameras go to 3,200 and even 6,400 with low noise levels.
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One caveat on ISO 25,600
by Shankland December 4, 2007 6:49 PM PST
It should be noted that ISO 25,600 is an option, but it's a standard setting on the camera. Nor is 12,800. But 6,400 is. If you want to see some results at the high ISOs, there are some good images at Rob Galbraith's site, though from a pre-production D3:
http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=7-8745-9153

sts
Canon advantage?
by ewelch December 4, 2007 1:10 PM PST
Yes, the long-term benefit of Canon designing and
manufacturing their sensors is a good thing. I use a 1Ds Mark II
at work. But Nikon actually makes the steppers that physically
create most sensors, and a lot of other ICs in various industries.

So they're no slouches when it comes to know-how on sensor
design and manufacturing. And it has paid off big-time for the
D3, whose sensor is designed and manufactured by Nikon. The
D3 and D300 both have CMOS sensors too, which makes a big
difference.

I saw a demo of the kinds of images the D3 would produce at
ISO 6400 more than a year ago at a workshop sponsored
by Nikon. Of course, we didn't know it would be called the D3
for sure, but it was a no-brainer to guess.

As a long-time Leica users I was able to look at both systems
from outside. Using Canon at work made it obvious I'd probably
go Canon. But the 6400 ISO images were so good my personal
camera system choice became Nikon. And I was right to choose
Nikon considering how amazing the D3 has turned out to be.
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I do love Nikons!
by lmasanti December 4, 2007 1:26 PM PST
One of the things that always took in consideration was "my
investment"... and that mean lenses.
Nikon has the same mount system from long time ago, so --not
taking into account other things-- I can still use my FE's lenses.
But there is a point in the article that I want to remark: image
quality. And both brands give good choices.
In the other hand, "pixel count" remains me of the times of the
"megahertz wars" in computers. They mean many times very
little.
By example, take the new distribution of cells in the sensor
from a recent Kodak patent. Normally, sensors has equal
quantities of Red, Green and Blue pixels. The new distribution
has a 1 Red, 2 Green and 1 Blue pixels (just like our eyes!).
So, choosing a camera is --at least for me-- like choosing a
wife, a matter of many issues...
Well, there are also divorces and infidelities!
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doesn't matter
by sberley December 4, 2007 1:41 PM PST
It really is a non-issue. Both make fantastic cameras and excellent glass.

Which is better for YOU depends mostly on how it feels in your hand and what's on sale.

As long as you go with either Nikon or Canon and use factory-branded glass you'll get a great setup.
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Nikon loved here
by RompStar_420 December 4, 2007 1:45 PM PST
I bought the Nikon SLT D40x kit and I love it, I bought the kit at Cosco for $999 a few months ago, I seen it around I thinkg $900 a week ago.

I used to own a film SLT from Canon, but I found the popup flash a little bit sloppy, everything fits well on my Nikon, solid construction.

The software that it comes with is only ok, but who cares if you use the tools that come with OS X or others are way better, I don't even use the Nikon software.

The camera is great, took a lot of great pictures and the image stabalization for the longer focal lenght lenses does help a lot and removes the camera shake, nothing better than just using a tripod, but if you don't have one and there is no tree around, this works well.
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Screw 'em both...
by Penguinisto December 4, 2007 1:55 PM PST
I bought a Minolta Maxxum SLR body (now owned by Sony) because I already had a shedload of Maxxum fixed and telephoto lenses, both AF and non-AF. They still happen to fit my film cameras very nicely as a benefit.

/P
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It's Nikons for me
by rcrusoe December 4, 2007 1:58 PM PST
IMO, they've always had the best glass, and their pro line has
survived everything I ever put them through - except for the one
that was strapped to the outside of an aircraft during an extreme
decent - but that wasn't Nikon's fault :)
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This is like Linux vs. Windows vs. Mac
by davis bacon December 4, 2007 3:48 PM PST
This is like asking what is better?
Linux vs. Windows vs. Mac

Its subjective and each have there own strengths.

I have a Canon XTi and like the results it provides. I wish I could try a Nikon as some of the lenses they have look interesting, but honestly what amateur can justify a $5000 camera?
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How So?
by richto December 6, 2007 5:57 AM PST
Is one of them full of security vulnerabilities like MAC OS and Linux then and the other one has hardly any, like Windows Vista?
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by markandreani July 13, 2008 12:32 AM PDT
It's absolutely NOT like Mac PC - unless your definition of subjectivity goes along the lines of 'glutton for punishment' - aka PC use!!
by markandreani July 13, 2008 12:34 AM PDT
not a single virus or security issue in 14 years of Mac use...
by extremeglenn July 14, 2009 2:10 PM PDT
An amateur who have lotsa money in the bank LOL.

Cheers,
Glenn
made my living with a camera for 30 years
by iamotaku December 4, 2007 3:56 PM PST
Currently Canon is far superior to Nikon. That may change,
they've jockeyed back and forth for years but Nikon has fallen
behind in the digital realm and has yet to catch up. Just look on
the sidelines of any professional sporting event. All those white
lenses? That's Canon L series glass attached to Canon cameras.
Trust me, I've shot both, Canon wins hands down. I've listened
to the Nikon digital crowd swear at their cameras for years. My
most recent experience was covering a Nebraska kid as he
approached the ncaa all time rushing record. I shot side by side
with a Nikon shooter both of us making virtually the same
images, his take was consistently back-focused and the his
image color and saturation held nowhere near the information of
my canon cameras. Swearing at his laptop, applying a
photoshop sharpen to no avail, he said he's had his bodies and
lenses into nikon numerous times only to be told the gear was
within nikon's testing parameters. Outrageous. There's a reason
news organizations all over the world have been dumping nikon
in favor of canon. The canon gear just works.
http://www.kentsievers.com
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depends where you start
by why do i need a name? December 4, 2007 5:39 PM PST
When I bought my SLR a few years ago (Canon 10D) I did a fair
amount of research and talked to a number of people who
already owned DSLR's. This info may be dated, but I suspect
that it's not.

In general, the conclusion was this:

If you own a single, compatible lens for a body, buy the body
that matches that lens.

If you don't own any lenses, buy the Canon system.


The gist was that the features and performance of the cameras
was so close that it didn't matter, which allows a single
compatible lens to tip the scales in the direction of your existing
lens. If you don't have any and are a fan of any single feature,
that could sway the decision in that direction as well, but the
bottom line is that you can't go wrong with either system
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There is no simple answer
by fazalmajid December 4, 2007 6:01 PM PST
I own a 5D and I have a D3 on order, so I don't have an axe to
grind.

For starters, Nikon and Canon have been leapfrogging each
other well before DSLRs were introduced. Either one may have
the edge in bodies for this or that market segment at any point
in time, but that may reverse itself in a year or two. Unless you
can afford to buy lenses for both systems, once you buy into a
system, you are committed, and thus it makes more sense to
look at the lens and accessories line-up before you decide which
one to pick.

Until recently Nikon had faster, cheaper bodies but lower image
quality because they used higher-noise Sony CCD sensors
compared to Canon's in-house CMOS sensor technology
(originated with their fax/copier division, a rare example of
diversified conglomerates' synergies at work). Canon was also
the only one to offer full-frame cameras. The situation has
reversed with the introduction of the Canon 1DsMkIII and the
Nikon D3.

Nikon now has the lower-noise camera and Canon has the
higher-pixel count at the expense of higher noise and lower
dynamic range. Which you prefer depends on your requirements.
I shoot low-light so Nikon's trade-off for the D3 is preferable to
me than Canon's for the !DsIII. If I were a studio photographer
looking to make massive posters, Canon's would be preferable.

Even if you look at the lens lineups, the edges each make has
are very localized. Nikon makes better wide-angle zooms, has
arguably better flashes, and macro lenses (although Nikon has
no equivalent to Canon's exotic MP-E 65mm 5x magnification
macro lens). Canon's telephotos are mostly better (Nikon has
introduced some interesting new models, but their production
facilities simply can't keep up with demand and most are heavily
back-ordered). Canon's TS-E lenses for architectural
photography or its fast primes beat Nikon's. Complicating things
further is the fact Nikon now has superlative Zeiss ZF lenses
available in its mount (they could be mounted onto a Canon, but
with severe limitations like the need for stop-down metering).

In the end, for basic consumer stuff, there isn't much of a
practical difference, but for high-end DSLRs, the answer
depends very much on your style of photography.
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D300 and D3 are both full frame
by SubhajitDasGupta December 4, 2007 6:25 PM PST
The article is wrong when it implies that the D300 is a "smaller framed" camera ... in fact, both it and the D3 are 35 mm equivalent image size cameras.
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No, D300 is small frame: DX, not FX
by Shankland December 4, 2007 6:53 PM PST
The D3 so far is the only full-frame option ("FX" in Nikon terms) in Nikon's digital SLR line, though of course its film cameras are, too. The D300 uses the smaller DX-sized sensor:

http://www.nikonusa.com/template.php?cat=1&grp=2&productNr=25432

sts
you would be wrong.
by moofer December 4, 2007 7:53 PM PST
Only the D3 is full-frame.
Nope, the D300 is a DX, not full-frame
by fazalmajid December 4, 2007 6:34 PM PST
Only the D3 is full-frame (what Nikon now calls FX). The D300 is a
DX (1.5x multiplier), just like the D200 before it, and in fact all
Nikons other than the D3.
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I Might Go With Nikon, If Starting Over Again
by markdoiron December 4, 2007 7:13 PM PST
I have an old Nikon F that I fell in love with. Have a large suite of Nikkor lenses, as well. But, when I needed a camera during a personal emergency in the wilderness, the best I could do was a Canon film Rebel. And I fell in love with that little camera. Got lots of lenses to go with it.

Which then led me on the natural progression through the Canon digital line. And I love their cameras. Except for one thing: They shoot HORRIBLE flash pictures. I use a Canon A95 P&S for most of my indoor work because the Canon digital SLRs render color quality so poorly. They underexpose the image. And when you reshoot they overexpose it next time. They do horrendously in strong backlight when a fill-flash is required. Don't believe me? Try searching on the Internet and you'll find plenty of folks grumbling about this same exact problem. It's disgusting: Three different model camera bodies, three different model flashes, always the same crappy results with flash shooting.

--mark d.
http://www.summitpost.org/user_page.php?user_id=26307
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i truely agree with you mark
by t4tahir December 25, 2007 6:35 PM PST
you are absoultely right about flash fill light problem with canon , i had Canon 400D , 40D and now finally i moved to Nikon d300 and preety happy with everything :) its superb move for me .. i had to sell my old lens... a bit loss but i am still happy .. with nikon's flash restults..
I LOVE my new D300
by moofer December 4, 2007 7:50 PM PST
It showed up last week, and I'm thoroughly impressed. While their
new RAW format isn't supported in Apple's iPhoto or Aperture yet,
it will be soon (I'm just shooting RAW + JPEG until then). All my
previous lenses work great, and the image quality is superb. They
really went back to the drawing board on their user-interface. It's a
joy to use compared to that of the D100. The body is extremely
lightweight, battery life is excellent, memory reads/writes are very
fast. The best camera I've ever owned or used.
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It's like comparing Cadillac and Lincoln
by Skippy3246 December 4, 2007 8:39 PM PST
I've shot with Nikon since 1968, so that's what I gravitated to even though I wouldn't use my Nikkor lans that came with my Nikkormat on my new film or digital SLR. Go with what feels good in your hands and whether the menus and controlsd make sense to you. If teh controls and the menus' logic aren't compatible with the way your brain is wired, the camera isn't going to work smoothly for you.

If you're looking for entry level (price), stay away from the Nikon D-40 or D-40x. Nikon really cheapened the camera down, and you MUST use the AF-S (Silent Wave Motor) lenses, so most Nikon or "after-market" lenses won't work on those bodies. It's a real disappointment for me as a long-time Nikon shooter. There are also new high-end and mid-range bodies from Sigma, Sony and others. The after-market lens marked just hasn't cought up to these newer entries.
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Comparisons
by kennymc49 December 5, 2007 2:04 AM PST
I see you are comparing Nikons Flagship D3 with a Canon 5D, but how does it compare with the 1Ds MkIII, which is Canons new flagship...
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Nikon D3 most comparable to Canon 1D Mark III
by Shankland December 5, 2007 8:11 AM PST
I didn't deliberately set off the Nikon D3 against the Canon 5D; both are full-frame cameras, but the 5D is more for enthusiasts. The reason I called attention to them is because each is the most direct threat to the other company's line, but they're not as much direct competitors.

The most direct comparison to the D3 would be the Canon 1D Mark III, released earlier this year for sports shooters. It's not full-frame, but it's closer than most SLRs (1.3x field of view crop factor), and with 10 megapixels it emphasizes fewer, more sensitive pixels and fast image processing. The 1Ds Mark III, just shipping now, has 21.1 megapixels, is more for studio photographers.
Love my Nikon D-40
by vanrock70 December 5, 2007 5:41 AM PST
I have the Nikon D-40 and two lenses, 18-55 and 55-200. I seldom need to carry both. I chose the D-40 because it has the best low-light performance for a half-frame 6 mpx sensor.

I'd been using a rather high-end "near-slr" with a 10x zoom, that cost almost as much as the Nikon. The Nikon is quicker (no shutter delay) and takes much better hand-held low-light images. I do lots of that.

The one drawback is I can't connect the camera to a microscope or telescope, which I could do with my old film-based SLR, but it is now broken. When digital SLR backs that don't require AF lens feedback get cheap enough on Ebay, I'll satisfy that need with one.
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