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In a remark reminiscent of its more confrontational days, a Microsoft representative argues that pure open-source software companies can't sustain innovation.

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MiCoSloth should be afraid ...
by MacHeads September 18, 2007 10:05 AM PDT
Microsoft is obviously panicking these days ... one of my
collaborators visited Redmond and is a technology advisor for
major companies ... he has been in the business for about 40
years now but as long as i knew him he was rarely wrong when it
came to viability of some tech companies as he mentionned
coming back from his trip he mentionned something "i smelled
that perticular smell , the smell from the beginning of the
beginning of the end , i was surprised , given the place i was but
it was there indeed , when i went through the demos , the
workshops , it was everywhere" . Microsoft has few new ideas in
terms of OS development , MSOffice is yet another bloatware
that keeps getting bigger and slower , and there are no new
paradigms emerging from the company .

Open Source surely is a menace for the company as it is catching
back day after day in terms of usability. Its model is emerging
and expanding. Unfortunately Microsoft can't adapt to such a
model being a software only company , any openning is a defeat
and a loss since once the code is opened it is rebuilt optimized
and re ingeneereed in matters of days if not hours , a thing that
Microsoft has been fighting inside and outside the company for
YEARS for revenue reasons. Their main profit source being
support , trainning . If the company would be commited to
produce good software interoperability would be a priority as it
is for others .

Apple had to take a risk moving from an old os model to mac os
X it involved loads of worries compatibility issues , some heavy
recompiles , loads of legacy code had to be dropped as well to
change paradigm , but it could only happen due to a loyal
userbase which Microsoft does not have at all. Apple makes
good products due to its culture of mastering its platform , not
vendorizing it which Microsoft does. I wish them luck but i wish
even better luck to OSS.
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I agree
by rcrusoe September 18, 2007 10:49 AM PDT
that Microsoft appears genuinely scared of open source software. If they didn't perceive it as a real threat, IMO, they would just ignore it.

However, the points you make are generally lost due to your childish use of a derogatory name for MS.
Patterson is absolutely right...
by WJeansonne September 18, 2007 10:54 AM PDT
The open source community is now facing the daunting challenges that proprietary software makers have faced since the dawn of commercial software--how to make a profitable business out of it. Moreover, they face the immense challenge of competition. And it is there the mean face of competition (depending upon your viewpoint--business or consumer), will rear its ugly head. Then, the intellectuall property issue kicks in, where one or the other will attempt to eat the other's lunch, so to speak. Once the open source community seriously starts feeding at MS's buffet, the lawsuits will kick in. That's why I wouldn't invest a dime in open source software right now until the issues are resolved. Microsoft has over 238 patents covering all sorts of OS software, so it's a risky business developing, owning or using open source software--period.
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Monopoly?
by msimoens September 18, 2007 12:27 PM PDT
So why not just throw our towels in and let MS have a monopoly
over all software? Competition is great for business
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There is a world outside the US you know....
by Steve_a September 22, 2007 1:39 AM PDT
Microsoft might claim it has patents infringed by Linux - there might be some truth in this FUD, but until Microsoft say what has been infringed then no-one can prove it either way.

Of course that is only true in the US - Microsoft cannot make any such claims in Europe as software patents just don't exist.
If you can't beat'm.. bash'm..!!
by imacpwr September 18, 2007 11:12 AM PDT
I guess since highjacking open source has become a no-win
situation for MS it's back to bashing until they come up with a
different strategy to squelch it.
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Innovation is a Buzzword.
by Renegade Knight September 18, 2007 11:18 AM PDT
Word Star, Word Perfect, Word, AmiPro, Q&A, all got my resume out the door. Pick any version and any flavour and they got the job done.

Innovation was putting word processing on the computer. After that WISIWIG. After that...the mouse?

Opensource can keep up with real innovation. They may lack some of the polish, but anymore I'll trade polish for stable.
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MS just doesn't get it ... how is this possible
by MattStark September 18, 2007 11:19 AM PDT
I am so shocked that Microsoft would send a communication like that. I guess they don't consider open source initiatives like Mozilla Firefox Foundation making over $600K per head in revenue. I blogged a bit more about why I find this article funny here:
http://mattstark.blogspot.com/2007/09/microsoft-vs-open-source-hilarity.html
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Yeah right, Red Hat is wildly profitable
by WJeansonne September 18, 2007 11:23 AM PDT
Tell me another story! And I mean fairy tale.
you must be kidding me
by FutureGuy September 18, 2007 12:49 PM PDT
80% of mozilla's Money comes from Google, Google is as propritary as it gets. Mozilla would have been deep in red without Google money. Get your facts straight.
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The business case for OS is logical
by jdrachmat September 18, 2007 10:07 PM PDT
All these skepticisms about Open Source remind me of people's reaction to Apples and Microsoft when Steve Jobs and Bill Gates first started their businesses ... all those years back in the late 1970s and early 1980s. Apples ? Microsoft ? Who they ? You must be kidding ! Tell me a better story !

The business case for Open Source is straight forward and logical, to quote from www.cbronline.com :

"Almost half (48%) of UK financial services and public sector organizations already use open source software, according to research by business intelligence firm Actuate. Only one in eight of the surveyed firms expressed no interest in adopting open source software.

Freedom from licensing costs was the biggest draw, cited by 64% of survey respondents. Other key perceived benefits were not being locked into Microsoft (45%), vendor independence (43.5%), and access to source code (43%)."

Yes, translating this demand to workable, profitable commercial product is a feat that not many OS businesses have managed. However, since the fundamental demand is clearly there, OS's success is only a matter of time.

Contrary to what Microsoft defenders think, people HATE being locked into its MONOPOLY, being bilged dry with exorbitant prices for faulty goods and services and being restricted in what we can do (as DRM rules) with goods for which we have paid our hard-earned cash.
Open Source Business Model
by bigpicture September 18, 2007 11:52 AM PDT
If you really look at what software is from the perspective of a hardware manufacturer. It's just a driver for the hardware, if I manufacture video cards, I also need to code drivers to make the hardware work, or work at top performance.

If I make PCs, I have to load an OS and other functioning applications on it, to make it a useful product. So what do I want? I want ubiquitous high quality software of all kinds, that is open and free, or of little cost.

I also want open standards for this software, the same as the hardware standards, a USB device will plug into and work all computers no matter who manufactures it. Same with hard drives, or an ATX motherboard, or, or, or. In the eyes of a hardware manufacturer software should be the same. So who is it that mostly supports open software, and open software standards such as Open Document etc. Is it not the hardware manufacturers, because they don't want MS to dictate the direction of their business.
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Competition is good!!
by msimoens September 18, 2007 12:38 PM PDT
I work mainly in sales and competing with other companies has
driven us to cut costs and make everything better than our
competition. I'd say let MS keep "bashing". It's obvious to anyone
that MS is genuinely scared. And they should be!

How many people are involved in making linux better? How
many are getting paid for it and how many are doing it on their
free time? If they are doing it on their free time then money is
not an issue. And like one of the other commenters said,
organizations like Firefox do make money. I recently just threw
Vista into the garbage and went with a linux distro. I was
worried cause I wouldn't have iTunes for my iPod and many
other things but it's all there. Everything I was doing on
Windows I am now doing on linux. Now linux has somethings
that's making me mad but give it time and it'll be fixed. How can
I complain when it was FREE!!!!

I'm not saying MS isn't needed, linux isn't for everyone. I have a
Mac but I also had to pay for a whole new computer to get it (I'm
sure people have gotten Mac OS to work on a normal PC). I like
that companies like Dell have started to get behind the
movement, I'm sure they are loving the cost savings and not
getting bullied by anyone. There is room for the two: open
source and proprietary.
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Open Source continues bashing Micro$oft
by ColdMast September 18, 2007 12:47 PM PDT
you can't compete with free beer.
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MS Never Heard of Ada Core
by parrisdc September 19, 2007 7:51 AM PDT
Ada Core Technologies has been sustaining
innovation for over 20 years.

http://blue-gnu.biz/content/ada_core_technologies_free_software_business_model_viable


Go fish!
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Microsoft doesn't innovate...
by CD Baric September 20, 2007 10:40 AM PDT
Microsoft most often buy's or steals technologies it likes and then extends the operative protocols to deny competition.

Microsoft has only been successful where it has extended it's desktop monopoly, nowhere else.

Take Microsoft search... please!

Or Zune or Great Plains or MSN or XBox or a dozen other monetary black holes where Microsoft has either bought support by selling hardware or providing services at a loss - that's not innovation!

And lastly, Vista is not innovation - it is the biggest turkey Microsoft has ever produced even outscaling the likes of Bob or Windows Millenium.

To think Vista is the best a company like Microsoft can do proves the company is in serious trouble.

Open Source and the open distributed development system is the most innovative business model to come along in 30 years thanks to the crazy genius and vision of Richard Stallman and skilled and talented work ethic of Linus Torvalss (and many many others).

CD Baric
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The OpenChange Project
by gary.edwards September 20, 2007 4:17 PM PDT
Unfortunately much of the world is unaware of the OpenChange Project launched by members of the SAMBA Community. OpenChange is a young project, but there are working solutions already. And everything is Open Source Software portable across multiple operating systems.



The OpenChange road map has a range of deliverables coming down the line over the next few months, the first of them being a client-side library to replace MAPI.DLL, for all Outlook functionality. It's called libmapi, and it works on multiple operating systems. Microsoft Exchange cannot tell that an application using libmapi is not Outlook.



The OpenChange Project has three goals:



Goal 1: Make Exchange protocols completely open and documented, with one free implementation and others encouraged. This is well on the way to being achieved, (ExchangeRPC ). The results could even be turned into a formal standard, giving a legacy-compatible starting point for real groupware innovation.



Goal 2: Distribute libmapi far and wide for people to build clients, with sample implementations. OpenChange does not (and cannot) build rich GUI clients, but we can teach other people how to speak the language of Exchange. libmapi is a very simple-to-use library. The OpenChange Project has produced a plugin for the Evolution groupware client to illustrate the possibilities. Now it's on to a meet with the Mozilla Thunderbird group to fully exploit this potential.



Goal 3: Create a native protocol replacement for Exchange. This is only beginning, because we're concentrating on the client side. However in a couple of months we will be revisiting our functional prototype server. The addressbook function works, and some parts of the rest. Outlook thinks it is talking to Exchange server.



A white paper on this issue is available, Linux MAPI Programming Over Exchange RPC?



The OpenChange Project promises to release interoperability between non Outlook clients and the Exchange Server. The project also promises to do the reverse; release interoperability between Outlook bound clients and OSS alternatives to the Exchange Server.



Much work has gone into the area of writing open file format plug-ins to MSOffice, in hopes of intercepting bound workgroup-workflow business before they are transitioned over to the Exchange/SharePoint Hub. The OpenChange Project promises to perfect the same kind of non disruptive interception of OutLook Exchange bound business processes. And do so before these processes can get hardened into the emerging MS Stack of desktop, server, device and web systems.



Both of these efforts are needed to break the the business process lock Microsoft enjoys through the MSOffice desktop monopoly. Chit chat with Microsoft execs isn't going to do it.



Hope this helps,

~ge~




Contact Dan Shearer of the OpenChange Project for more information:


dan@shearer.org / dan@samba.org / dan@openchange.org
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I'm not surprised
by DarkPhoenixFF4 September 22, 2007 12:13 AM PDT
There are some VERY good replacements for Exchange/Outlook out there in the FLOSS world, but most business pass them by because it would require replacing both sides at the same time. Allowing other clients to access Exchange is a good start, since then the clients can be changed first, and the servers later.
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