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A user interface revolution is upon us: my 3-year-old son can use my iPhone thanks more to its accessibility than his smarts.

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by JJouni December 31, 2008 5:12 AM PST
Nothing new. My 3 year old son, now one of of the game gurus, did learn his computer usage as well how to write his name with Panasonic JR-200. Remember?
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by December 31, 2008 10:13 AM PST
Got you beat. My TWO year old son loves my iTouch. I just hand it to him and he can play - on his own - for at least an hour.

His favorite toddles games are First Words and Pre-School Adventures. He also likes to manipulate photos using Scribble. It is, by far, his favorite toy. In fact, it seems like Daddy only gets to use his ITouch when his son is in bed.

This incredible ease of use is certainly a testament to Apple and Steve Jobs.
by wolivere December 31, 2008 5:16 AM PST
Ou daughter has been playing wow since 3, and now at 5 going on 6 is a top ranker on her server for PvP.

Her favorite games being Warsong Gulch and Eye of the storm since she is capturing or guarding the flag.

Last year was the big one for her when she was able to remeber and type in her user name and password on her own.
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by ckurowic December 31, 2008 5:20 AM PST
That doesn't really help with education there wolivere. Try putting your kids in front of the Grolier multimedia encyclopedia software set, that will actually teach them things. I played games back then too, but this was the early 90's, so we are talking games like "Boom" and "Solarian", very simple, not so "pretty" games that simply improved hand-eye coordination.
by pithenumber December 31, 2008 6:59 AM PST
nice
by ittesi259 December 31, 2008 11:23 AM PST
Letting a 3 year old play WoW....and she's ones of the top ranked on her server for PvP? Based on what ranking? She does WSG and EoTS so there's no arena ranking, only HK's and honor points, which considering honor points have a cap and are spent....means nothing.

Secondly....one WoW player to (I'm assuming another) why you let her play so much?
by ckurowic December 31, 2008 5:17 AM PST
Apple has ALWAYS been the leader when it comes to education, and if any of you have been Mac users your whole life you will know how it is with kids and Mac's, especially in school. Many of us absolutely blew our teachers away with the stuff that we could make on them versus our PC counterparts. I remember a few times teachers even doubted the work was my own because I would integrate all sorts of multimedia together into one project. In college this is expected, but in grade school it is a much different matter. So, Mr. Shankland its great that your kids can do this stuff, but thats just how Mac kids (and users in general) are! :)

By the way: surface computing?? Lame in 99% of applications that we have out there today (not apps but physical applications, i.e.: uses).

I am also pretty sick of PC users that knock Apple because its a computer for "kids and stupid people that can use a computer". Last I checked computers were supposed to be EASY TO USE. I don't want to have to have an A+ certification to get my PC to work the way it was advertised to work. Maybe you all feel smarter by having to hammer away in the command line or tweaking .ini files to get your stuff to work, but I don't. I'm not sure what parent in their right mind would sit their kids in front a PC and tell them to have at it.
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by Mark_Anderson December 31, 2008 6:08 AM PST
Which explains why education departments consistently choose Windows based PCs.

Why? Because they work, are easy to understand and run all the software kids use which, of course, is the important part.

Which is not to say Macs aren't good machines because they are, but better than good quality OEM Windows PCs? Nah.
by Seaspray0 December 31, 2008 9:54 AM PST
Funny you should knock surface computing when the author of this article praises the ease of using a touch interface. All those applications on the iphone are a form of "surface computing". Sure, alot of the applications were designed around using the mouse; in the 80's they were designed around using a keyboard. Look at what's being developed today for the apps of tomorrow. All those iphone apps didn't exist a year ago. Surface computing apps are on the rise and touch is making a big spash... especially when 3 year old's can figure out how to use it.
by technewsjunkie December 31, 2008 10:18 AM PST
That's true, and Apple's Education share is high. Much higher than the broader market.

The attorneys at my firm are adopting Macs, and iPhones at a higher rate in recent years. Also other professionals like Doctors, and Scientists prefer the Apple interface and functionality because they already have PHd's and don't want to have to modify THIER behavior to suit the computer - the counterintuitive and outdated interface of the bulk Windows products.
by cyclelogicpress.com December 31, 2008 11:35 AM PST
Actually it's the bean counter department that makes the Windows-based PC acquisitions ... not the education department. Unfortunately.
by D3vildog699 January 4, 2009 7:17 AM PST
Hate to say it dude but my school district, and the one my father works for dumped every single Mac in the district (both of them) for the PC, i think they coulda left a few for people that want to learn technology, but hey. i still got a mac for free, even if i ditched it after a few weeks.
by D3vildog699 January 4, 2009 7:20 AM PST
Oh and as for the comment about what parent would put a kid in front of a computer and have at it...

Why not? if the kid really likes technology and they are good with it why not let them play around with it? there are alot of careers in the computing world if you know what your doing, and you can make alot of cash doing it...
by bhushan bhaagii January 5, 2009 5:28 AM PST
Funny, maybe Mark_Anderson can go back in time and remember that a majority of educational institutions in the
US were using Macs. MS in one instance, got a shot at the education market with a--shall I call it duplicitous?--
tactic. Slapped with a some $600 million penalty under Anti-Trust, MS offered (and an obliging administration
accepted) to pay the fine by giving away their PC software to educational institutions! I think that's one
of the reasons how American youngsters were roped in to become PC users.
by Pishkado December 31, 2008 5:56 AM PST
Amen to ckurowic's last paragraph. I know a high-powered technology consultant who uses Macs because, as he puts it, "my time is too valuable to waste screwing around with Windows." He didn't mean just the setup, but things like searching for a file through the OS. This is a guy whose technology chops trump those of 99 percent of the people who read this, myself included, and we're the high end of the population in that regard. He wasn't bragging, he was stating an objective fact.

I'm a fairly decent user of both Windows XP and Mac OS 10.4, but I use the Mac when I can (which at this point is for everything I do except Access training). The reason is simple: I can be more productive. That's what it's all about.
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by pithenumber December 31, 2008 7:10 AM PST
Mac==too expensive and not reliable hardware
Linux+Windows+Hackintosh triple boot on a home made desktop ($600 and puts $1200 computers to shame at gaming)
by ittesi259 December 31, 2008 11:33 AM PST
Kackintosh would = you just admitted to violating a licence agreement....which Im surprised anyone would do on a public forum but since you aren't pssystar I doubt apple cares.

As to the original comment I would remind everyone that the posters views on productivity are his own and I'm sure many others would say they are more productive on Windows.

I feel computing is a personal choice.....and I long for the days PC no longer means IBM Clone/Windows but means Personal Computer once again.
by random truth January 4, 2009 7:21 PM PST
@pithenumber
I think you missed the point. Think about how long that took to set up. Im guessing more than 5 hours. (setting up triboots takes time along with researching hardware that each os will play nice with.) Also how did you do that for $600 again? A basic version of windows costs $300, and mac osx costs about $120. That means that means you spent $180 on the hardware or are you admitting to pirating too.
(ps this is me commenting from my newly set up triboot macbook for testing my cross platform apps and yes it was expensive and time consuming.)
by philcryer December 31, 2008 7:34 AM PST
My 5 year old can boot his system, login to Webkinz and register a new animal by himself. We have talked about putting certain limits on our home network, but so far their experience has been within these 'walled gardens' and \ with him and his 8 year old sister, it's amazing what they're able to do. We can learn a lot from them as far as designing usable software - stuff you learn by accident simply by using it. They're the first generation that will never know the world w/o the Internet, so they look at/approach things differently. What seems complex to us is just old hat to them.

Still need to teach them to build a PC from commodity parts and then have them install Debian GNU/Linux on it to build a server, but after that they'll be all set!
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by technewsjunkie December 31, 2008 9:56 AM PST
Are they learning to ADAPT to the computer, or are is it intuitive??

Building a comoputer from commodity parts will soon be a thing of the past as parts become completey and truely common user replaceable, like batteries. No longer a skill. Actually it hasn't been for some time. More of a hobby.
by sanenazok December 31, 2008 7:45 AM PST
Teach your kids math and science instead of being impressed by ability to use gadgets created abroad. I got plenty of friends who excel at programming TV remotes but don't know basic math.
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by technewsjunkie December 31, 2008 9:52 AM PST
TV remotes, remotes in general are the WORST INTERFACE OFFENDERS.

Keep it SIMPLE. Not "dumb", SIMPLE. Otherwise know as Intuitive.
by Shankland December 31, 2008 1:56 PM PST
Oh, I teach him math, too. It's not a mutually exclusive situation.

More broadly, though, I think it's important to be able to use technology, not just work with basic principles. My programming courses didn't amount to much in the real world, though I think the ability to think like a computer has its place for getting along with technology, but reading tips and tricks sites for my various interests can be highly useful.
by csg7 December 31, 2008 7:54 AM PST
I gave the locked iPhone to my 20 month old son thinking he will probably just look at the screen. Not only did he figure out how to slide and unlock it, but by watching me he started sliding the pages, tapping on the youube icon and tilting it when the video starts (i had showed him some cartoons on it when he was upset) !
The whole paradigm shift that technology should adapt to human interaction and not the other way around is significant. Whenever microsoft surface becomes affordable i am pretty sure even a 1 year old could be doing all the cool things on it !
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by Triligy December 31, 2008 7:55 AM PST
Please remove this article for it's very cliché like.
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by sadchild December 31, 2008 8:39 AM PST
best education for toddlers: www.starfall.com

your kid will be reading at a first grade level on their 3rd birthday.
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by jaxstephens December 31, 2008 11:21 AM PST
Thanks for the link. That looks pretty interesting. The other suggestions I would make, which have been great for my three-year-old girl, are: LeapFrog Leapster 2 (handheld educational gaming system), LeapFrog Tag (reading pen with associated books), and JumpStart Preschool World (amazing 3-D world full of exploration and learning activities). These are all great products that use technology in an educationally positive manner for children.
by tehrani625 December 31, 2008 9:44 AM PST
I was borne in 1992, I had a computer when I was 8 months old. This is before the internet. I was borne a bit to early to be like Levi or some of the other kids mentioned here. I grew up with this early internet and I now love to take part in what it is today. I remember when my Dad started to look towards me for tech support and he has a masters in Engineering. Now I do agree that instead of being amazed that your kids can figure out the GUI of any apple product that should be considered art. I would say though that it would be more useful to get your kids into math and science. But hey at this point they are still little kids and you should make sure that they get to do what they want to do. At the moment I am 16, my Dad thinks that I am a better driver then he is or at least much safer, The other day I drove the 300mi from Phoenix to Flagstaff and back. I think that this is a great article and I can't wait to see how into tech my kids are going to be. I am excited to see the day when my Son or Daughter will teach me how to use the new networked printer or whatever we will have to replace that 20-30 years from now.

Also for people who think that mac is better then PC and vice versa. I would say that for work a mac is best. When I say work I mean in the traditional sense and with all the media that you have on a computer the mac is also good at that. I think the PC is better for play. Now I would say that my mac book is slower then my same price gateway laptop and I use the gateway much more. Its faster, has a larger display, a better keyboard, and I own it so I have admin access. My mac is a loaner from my school I have to give it back at the end of the year. Did I mention that my gateway plays games? Boy does it play games. I would also say that macs are better for schools just not the old ones. Just my thoughts.
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by MacStuff January 1, 2009 10:28 PM PST
Hello tehrani625,

I suggest you check your history. The "Internet" was quite alive and well in 1992 when you were born. In fact I was running a computer BBS (you may want to look that up as well) in the mid-1980's and had internet email via my BBS at that time. A full 7 years before you were born.

The internet was alive all through the 1980's and the internet as we know it started in the 1970's. Granted, not a lot of people had access to it in the 1970's, but it was there.
by D3vildog699 January 4, 2009 7:23 AM PST
It may have been Alive in 1992 but not readily available to everyone... but schools and people that could afford it. Even now in todays world not everyone can get to the net unless they are at work or school.
by technewsjunkie December 31, 2008 9:50 AM PST
News Flash:
Apple "gets" the interface and the meaning of accessability.

Microsoft and the legion mediocre programmers who create programs of the same approach (add as many "features" (clutter) as you can, and maybe normal people can figure it out) don''t have a clue and as a result many people have been put off by using computers (my father) or think they themselves are "dumb" or at fault because they can't "figure out" what to do when confronted with horrible interface design.

Its not THEIR fault! It has set computing BACK YEARS.
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by technewsjunkie December 31, 2008 10:11 AM PST
This article is NOT about what is best to learn ("math or science") or "learning" and interface.
BTW, how _hard_ should it be for a person to "learn" the interface? Shouldn't the interface be self-evident?? Natural? Intuitive?

The computer should adapt to USERS, not users begin forced to name files without special characters - that's not natural, that's a geek's perspective, not "the rest of us".

This article IS about Interface design, and the accessability it brings (versus poor accessibility by bad interface design and the problems it creates)
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by philiplane December 31, 2008 10:32 AM PST
As a geeky journalist, I thought this was a great story and agree wholeheartedly with your sentiments. Then I saw the photograph your son took from the car seat. You drive a 5-speed Integra? My wife is lucky that you're a man!
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by Seaspray0 December 31, 2008 12:15 PM PST
Touch is a very powerful tool. When you showed your todler something cool on your computer, was he/she trying to touch the monitor or grab the mouse? I can easily see it as more powerful over the mouse than the mouse was over the keyboard. For portable devices, this is even more important due to the available surface area... you just can't waste a display on output alone. IMHO: The leader in tomorrow's computers will be the one that embraces the touch screen.
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by german_olivares_r January 1, 2009 7:18 AM PST
My two year old likes it very much as well, the gummy bear song on facebook is one of his favorites.
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by January 2, 2009 10:44 AM PST
How kids interact with technology is amazing, when my oldest kid wanted to take a picture of us I ran to search for the camera when I came back he was helding my wife's cell phone and already taking a bunch of pictures he must have been merely 3 at the time, some 5 years ago... he mastered the nintendo game cube control when he was 2 1/2 and had already finished Mario Sunshine some 2 months later, my 18 months old is already holding the same control (no wiimotes for him yet) and although he's not allow to play either he moves the sticks the buttons as his brother does...
The whole environment, in which the kids are growing how digital our life is, it's just natural for them, I did not use a computer until I was like 10 or 12, my kids are growing with 2 laptops, 1 desktop and a bunch of mobile and gaming devices around them and for them that's how the things are...
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by MRMOAV January 4, 2009 12:42 PM PST
we just bought our 13 month old daughter her first ipod touch for Christmas. Over the last two months using my iphone we finally realized how much she was learning and interacting with others. She loved showing everyone photos of her friends and family. She loved playing disney and sesame street podcasts and loved playing sims and ipet. I have downloaded about 20 age appropriate games and such and has already mastered her presidents and states as well as over 200 animals and is now onto fun facts of the European Union. I'm sure she would have been able to read just fine and her vocabulary was already growing by leaps and bounds before she stole my iphone off the sofa one day. But this is a great tool for her and helps keep her occupied everywhere we go. What's even more amazing is that she seems to enjoy the small things in life even more and take time to just think about her days ahead. We have even downloaded a few spanish and chinese vocab training games and she is having a blast with those as well. The funny thing is that we aren't really big into technology at all. We don't own a dishwasher, microwave or even a tv. Our only computer is going on 6 years and we haven't driven a car in nearly 12. Something about the iphone/touch interface is just natural for a one year old. Thank you Apple for bringing peace and calm into our family.
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by Mergatroid Mania January 4, 2009 3:46 PM PST
This is just so NOT NEWS.

Why is it even on CNET NEWS? Maybe as an obscure article at the bottom somewhere, but top billing? And for several days at that.

Ooooo, my child can use a piece of tech...oooo. Here's some news for you, tech has been around since the 80s, and tykes have been playing around with it and learning to use it ever since it's been available.

Man, the quality of news stories has really gone down hill since they started letting any old blogger write them instead of sticking with journalists. I also see lots of journalists get lazy and lower the quality of their work to that of a blogger.
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by the-Jack January 22, 2009 9:52 AM PST
Journalistic outlets have included commentary as well as reportage for over a hundred years. The information in this post may not be news, but it could hardly be argued -- not credibly, at any rate -- that it isn't commentary on facts which are technology news.

Also, your comment implies -- falsely -- that all news articles in the pre-blogging era were of higher quality than any blog post is now. That's patently and provably false, of course, nor can the decline in journalistic standards which began decades ago be blamed on the still-new phenomenon of blogging. It's true that many bloggers, even professional ones paid to write for commercial sites, can't be bothered with basic grammar or spellcheck (and some even boast that they post without even giving their words a once-over first) ...but that's beside the point.

In fact, all of that is beside the point.

If you look at the top of this page, you'll see it's clearly labeled a blog post.
by January 4, 2009 7:20 PM PST
The point of this story, at least as I read it, isn't about which company or how old the kids are. It's about the way we interface with our technology changing and changing in ways that make it much more accessible to everyone including, but not limited to, very young people. My parents played Wii Sports. That never would have happened with a traditional game controller. But even for those of us that a tech savvy, the way we interface with our technology is changing and will continue to do so. My iPod Touch has changed how much time I spend sitting in front of a computer. (Or maybe the iPod Touch IS the computer. Maybe we are too used to thinking of a computer as something with a keyboard and mouse/trackpad.)

Yes, Apple and Nintendo "get it" better than Microsoft and Sony. They understand that it's not just a software or hardware question, it's the way they work together to make the user experience. And their products sell way today because they get it. But they are not the only companies driving new and much more human and intuitive ways of accessing and manipulating information. Now think five years down the road. What does universal accessibility look like then? What could creative people, including the very young, old, paralyzed, blind, non tech savvy, etc. do with technology?
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by vmlenigma January 5, 2009 12:42 AM PST
I can't believe we are having the same discussion on Mac Vs. PC again, there are those of us that buy Benz and others that buy Hyundai, I chose my Benz because I like the Safety and Engineering that is built around it, and its pretty much trouble free, Yes I could of bought a less expensive vehicle but I like Reliable and well put together vs cheap.
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by the-Jack January 22, 2009 9:44 AM PST
Higher price doesn't necessarily mean a higher-quality product. Kia manufactures surprisingly durable cars considering their low price relative to other automakers; Jaguars, on the other hand, seem to be engineered so that most of their major systems will fail after a few years, which makes them popular to own only among those who can either afford to treat vehicles as disposable commodities or who are willing to bear the sometimes greater expense of having to restore a newer car as if it were an antique. (I haven't owned a Jag myself, though I appreciate their lines, but I have this on good authority from several friends who have owned them, as well as a mechanic.)

With any type of product, some of what's available on the market will be of higher quality and some lower. Dell got into trouble a few years ago for knowingly selling laptop computers whose power cords were likely to fail in ways that created a serious fire hazard -- they'd marketed themselves as affordable but were really mid-market. Even within the Mac / Apple stable, there are some products which are far more reliable than others.

It behooves anyone looking to make any substantial purchase to consider carefully what their needs are (top-of-the-line graphics cards aren't very useful to blind users, for example) and also to check both industry and user reviews before buying something that looks perfect from them based on the manufacturer's -- or retailer's -- sales pitch.
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