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Comments on: Microsoft e-mails reveal Intel pressure over Vista

Microsoft didn't want to have a two-tiered Vista upgrade program with both Vista Capable and Vista Premium Ready logos, but that's exactly what it got after Intel raised a fuss, and now the software maker is facing legal action.

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If Intel can do this to Microsoft, what can it do to Apple ...
by Pixelslave February 29, 2008 7:01 AM PST
With Microsoft's over 90% OS market share, Intel still could force it to do this. I had a bad feeling what it could do to Apple down the road ...
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Force them to do what?
by purcell429 February 29, 2008 10:45 AM PST
They already force them to update all of their computers every 6 months whenever they roll out a new processor line that "Improves performance by almost 1%!!!". Which is fine by me. But OSX will run on the crappiest intel chipset they make, so I don't see the problem.
aero resource consumption
by penguinhfx February 29, 2008 7:09 AM PST
It is strange that apple ships the macbooks with
intel integrated graphics and they have updated it
to the intel x3100 only very recently. The fancy
graphics features in mac os x (like aero in vista) seemed usable with the integrated graphics chipset. It could be because apple has been doing these animations, transparent windows etc in the desktop for much longer than microsoft has. Probably future versions of windows would have less resource intensive aero as they spend more time developing it. Same with compiz in Linux,
it is an attraction for the first few hours, but
most people like myself disable it soon after that, as it takes lots of resources. Hope aero and compiz improves in time in terms of performance
and resource requirements and also start doing
something more productive in the desktop beyond
transparent windows and drop shadows.
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aero resource consumption
by jonDonson February 29, 2008 9:25 AM PST
os x graphics are amazing in they they are not a resource drain at all. for goodness sakes my iPod touch has as slicker graphics, transitions, and effects than aero and it's running on this puny little ultra low power ARM chip. How is that possible?
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Target
by DrtyDogg March 1, 2008 10:15 PM PST
re-write compiz to run only on a couple of chipsets and see how well it does. You'd be surprised at the amount of power you can pull out of a graphics card when you write specifically for it.
Nothing
by Matthew R. February 29, 2008 9:44 AM PST
Apple's computers that are older than the G5 architecture can
run 10.5.x with little to no issue as long as it is a G4 864mhz
processor or faster.

Apple has proven that it does not demand the top of the line
hardware to run their latest OS. Apple's ability to work with a
company, or market shows that they are more likely to have their
computers out in the open market longer than the generic IBM
Clone running the one of many flavors of Windows Vista.

Apple may charge more for their computer , but you are
guranteed a system that will work longer in the open market,
and not to be dependent on raw processing power from both the
processor and the video card to get a special feature, like a
working OS.
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Nothing really
by Matthew R. February 29, 2008 9:45 AM PST
Apple's computers that are older than the G5 architecture can
run 10.5.x with little to no issue as long as it is a G4 864mhz
processor or faster.

Apple has proven that it does not demand the top of the line
hardware to run their latest OS. Apple's ability to work with a
company, or market shows that they are more likely to have their
computers out in the open market longer than the generic IBM
Clone running the one of many flavors of Windows Vista.

Apple may charge more for their computer , but you are
guranteed a system that will work longer in the open market,
and not to be dependent on raw processing power from both the
processor and the video card to get a special feature, like a
working OS.
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Fraud
by niceyuk February 29, 2008 11:37 AM PST
"Vista Capable" implies that the machine is capable of running Vista. The sticker should have said Vista Basic Capable, but that would have affected sales as no-one would buy a brand new PC that was only capable of running Vista Basic.

From the emails it appears that Microsoft executives were fully aware of this, so this is a clear case of willfully trying to deceive their customers.
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Forced
by theoxygenthief February 29, 2008 12:14 PM PST
Forced as in you can't really buy a new computer without paying for vista, especially laptops. I really can't believe MS has pulled the wool so far over people's eyes with their OEM monopoly
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Forced
by jfpearsonjr February 29, 2008 2:18 PM PST
Yep, that's why I'm switching to an iMac.

Vista and Office 2007 are a rip off and anyone looking can see it.

Why would anyone in their right mind redesign Office 2007 to be almost completely differenct than Office 2003.
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WRONG -- Pure BS
by Mister Winky February 29, 2008 4:09 PM PST
Why must people keep spreading the BS position that you have to buy Vista with a PC? Aside from the fact that VP is still available, many vendors offer Windows-free PCs at a discount.

Even Dell, Microsoft's biggest hardware partner, offers PCs with Ubuntu and FreeDOS. Compare one of these Windows free PCs with the same configuration pre-loaded with XP Home or Vista Home and you'll see that you save $49-$99.

http://www.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/ubuntu?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs&~ck=mn

If you honestly believe you are being FORCED to buy anything, the fault is yours. Try being a little resourceful before proudly spouting misinformation and blaming others for your sheep-like attitude.

-Mister Winky
Aero?! Who Cares?!
by Gaddorm February 29, 2008 12:21 PM PST
If you start a class action lawsuit over not being able to use the new Windows Aero interface you are in fact, a massive moron.

I have the aero interface and find it a waste of time, I mean who really cares that much?!?!?!
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Aero?! Who Cares?! I do
by danielz40 February 29, 2008 2:22 PM PST
I'm a typical moron. I have lots of extra money to waste to upgrade a machine so that I can use my now 38% slower machine. I have lots of time and money and don't care about saving either one. All that I care about is pretty flashy stuff, even if it doesn't work any better.
Now that Microsoft dropped the price because no one is buying it, I will buy two or three as a backup. I'd say I can't wait, but I have Vista, so obviously I can!
RE: Aero?! Who Cares?!
by xnoxpx February 29, 2008 2:57 PM PST
I can't Speak For M$ vista's Aero, But I find some of the 3D effects on my Linux Compiz to be very helpful.
I often Have 30 + Applications spread over 4 desktops, and when I need to jump to a specific Application
I Have hot keys setup to show all on current desktop
OR all on ALL desktops.
I then choose the one I want and jump to that desktop !
Plus Alt Tab shows me the Actual Application so I can see which Firefox window I'm looking for!
Please give your money to Microcr-p
by eldernorm February 29, 2008 7:55 PM PST
Kiss Ballmers butt all you want. You are certainally entitled. But at
some point, this action points to a company that does not give any
care for its customers but only for the dollars that it can generate.

Pick your product,..... pick your company....... live with your choice.

Suffer as you wish. :-)
What's a little collusion among friends?
by xcopy February 29, 2008 12:25 PM PST
This is no big deal. So what if Intel wanted to keep AMD from getting orders and siphoning off business that rightfully belonged to them (Intel)? I mean Intel is a benevolent company, offering their products at very fair prices, always thinking about what they can do for the customer to make PCs more powerful and less expensive.

Isn't this what Intel has always done? Intel has never screwed us before so why on earth would they want to keep selling outdated, inefficient, and most importantly, incapable or impracticable products? Just to make money at the expense of the consumer, to whom they would have had to lie to pull it off? Nah.... this is Intel.

I've followed Intel for almost 30 years and they've always been one of my favorite companies. Why I don't think I've even ever thought they were a bunch of lying, cheating, thieving "basturds" doing whatever they can to crush competition and keep their prices artificially high while sandbagging on their technology releases. Nope. Never that thought never crossed my mind before....

And to think that MS could have done something that might smack of collusion with Intel? MS breaking the law? MS combining with Intel to break federal laws and open themselves up to "restraint of trade" charges? Nah... MS, and Steve Balmer, are saints and here too; "I've never thought they were a bunch of lying, cheating, thieving "basturds" doing whatever they can to crush competition and keep their prices artificially high while sandbagging on their technology releases". Nope. Not once...
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Intel Pressure?
by Republican Jack February 29, 2008 12:36 PM PST
Does anyone really believe that Intel PRESSURED Microsoft into shooting Vista in the foot so that Intel could shuck a few extra gullible suckers into buying mediocre obsolescence while destroying AMD and any semblance of competition in the marketplace? Come on! Would one monopoly help another monopoly destroy competition and take advantage of their mutual customers? I'm sure that Intel wouldn't offer Microsoft a few plums against Apple when the next cpu comes out. Sounds like a whole new vista all wrapped up in a new plum pudding. All that is required is the proper label, such as Plum Capable, or Plum Ready. Whichever makes the most money. -jack
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sue them
by The_happy_switcher February 29, 2008 3:09 PM PST
to the point of bankruptcy, say I.
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No phones?
by fokwp February 29, 2008 3:23 PM PST
Don't these guys have phones? or are they just generating these tell-all emails to cover their a**es?
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In the heat of passion??
by sanjayb March 1, 2008 6:51 AM PST
"In January 2006, Poole sent an e-mail to several Microsoft executives informing them that the plan had changed, and that Intel approved. "I went over the new plan with Renee tonight. Not surprisingly, she is pleased with the outcome."

Makes you woner how Renee convinced Poole to agree? Late nite meeting? A man? A woman? Happy with the outcome? Hmmmmm...............

Just thinking.
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Needing a girlfriend??
by Fil0403 March 1, 2008 12:26 PM PST
I think as what happens with most Microsoft-haters, you need to get a life (AKA get a girlfriend).

Just thinking.
CNET news story reveals bias against Microsoft
by Fil0403 March 1, 2008 12:40 PM PST
All this because some people are too lazy to actually read what "Windows Vista Capable" means. And of course that (as most problems in the world today like poverty and AIDS) is Microsoft's fault.
I find it rather interesting how Aero was always dissed and considered to be one of the worst and least important reasons to upgrade to Windows Vista and now, all of a sudden (and very conveniently) seems to be the sole reason why people upgraded to Windows Vista in the first place, relegating to second plan such unimportant and secondary things like security and reliability.
I also find it rather interesting how anything that comes out of Microsoft's employees mouths is completely and utterly false unless it's something that can be used against Microsoft itself (in that case it actually seems to have more importance and truthness than anything said by Bush or the Pope).
Ah well, it's the usual Microsoft bias CNET and other very professional tech news sites have gotten us used to (afterall, their success depends on that; gotta please the customer/user/reader, right?). Too bad for them (and others) that Vista keeps in the (inevitable) way to become the world's most used operating system and they can't do anything against it, LOL.
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Bias against Microsoft
by Keith Sylvester March 1, 2008 8:01 PM PST
I totally agree with Fil0403. It seems clear to me that a lot of jeolous minds out there expect Microsoft to do all the programming for their products, while they sit on their proverbial arses doing nothing or more likely,clicking their heels all the way to the bank, while Microsoft do the hard graft. Windows is the most popular operating system available and hardware manufacturers should take some time and make some effort to make their products compatible with the latest offer. They have had months and months of warning and notified specifications of what is needed. What is the beef?
Video Proof of Intel on Vista
by truthteller33 March 2, 2008 3:37 AM PST
Both ATI and Nvidia both did videos showing the flaws in Intel Vista systems. I guess everyone feared Intel too much to do anything about it.

ATI video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VcJojNMtmE

Nvidia video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptu8nUSVDg4

Even BusinessWeek gets into the action by dissing Intel and Vista: http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/aug2007/tc2007081_108723.htm?chan=search

Have fun and then cry for the poor saps who bought an Intel system with Vista.
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All this proves
by PzkwVIb March 2, 2008 1:34 PM PST
is that Modern games demand high end graphic chips. Kind of a no brainer there.
Who cares Vista sucks XP rules
by hrep14 March 2, 2008 3:39 AM PST
As a Vista user with a system that runs it in all its glory (with Aero) I'm thinking of upgrading back to XP.
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Long story short
by mread41 March 2, 2008 2:35 PM PST
Microsoft did the right thing in dilineating. People made the dumb mistake of not learning about any of it.
Microsoft approved the change in spite of the behest of HP because HP uses an aweful lot of intel's hardware. Without intel, HP sells nothing but AMD which is being soundly squashed in sales with little hope of change unless they can come up with something better than their unfortunately unsuccesful attempt at competing with Intel's quad cores via the Phenom or their also so far unsuccessful attempt to compete with Nvidia through their ATI graphics line.

In essence, acquiessing wasn't the best move they could have made for the consumers, but with the largest, most prominent, and most powerful hardware manufacturer in the world at their door making requests; it would be very difficult for them to have denied the request outright (as then, Microsoft would have taken *all* the blame for another delay in Vista's release that was in no way their fault.

As much as I love intel products, this does sadden me a bit, though I can understand intel's logic behind the request. In the end, the program was carried out in effective enough fashion and the nomenclature was specific enough to have been effective. I would say that the only thing that Microsoft could have done better would have been to better publicize the difference for the consumers for their own sake. (personally, I would think that by now people would have realized that a monetarily cheap computer is cheap because it is poor quality or poor performing; since it's been that way since performance and quality were a factor in purchase)
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RE: Long story short
by xnoxpx March 3, 2008 9:22 AM PST
So what you are saying is breaking the law is "the right thing"?
Because the reason this blog entry came about,is due
to emails released during a class action suit claiming that M$ broke the law by changing the requirements of "Vista Capable" to keep intel happy!
and as far as educated consumers, HP, Dell, Lenovo, Best Buy, and all the rest are still saying "they recommend Vista", even though XP is the better ( of Microsoft's bloat/spy ware )
for your average user, a computer is akin to magic.
They trust (wrongly so) the sales kid (working on commission) their dealing with!
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Personal Experience with i915 chipset
by maruzo724 March 20, 2008 6:40 PM PDT
I've been using my brand new Sony Vaio VGN-FS742 notebook for slightly over 3 month in 2006 when I learned of the vista upgrade availability. I went out and bought a retailed Vista Ultimate dvd and tried to upgrade it unto my laptop.

Shocker: I couldn't get the aero glass to work, no matter what I tried.

I couldn't return the Vista software and I ended up with a laptop with minimal functionality (not only is the laptop running only in basic mode, many of sony's original softwares were not working well under vista).

I'm rather disappointed in both Microsft and Intel.

I've since then reverted back to xp and put my vista ultimate dvd for sale on ebay.

I won't be coming back to either Intel or MS any time soon.
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