Comments on: As industry recovers, Mac growth beating PCs

Apple's Mac shipments were up 25 percent in May, compared to only 1 percent growth for the rest of the PC industry, according to an analyst report.

[hhhhhhhhhmmmmmm]

Wow,

To set the record straight.

PC's sold about 70 million computers in Q2 2009. Vs 2.2 million for mac.

Now it is predicted that 270 million pcs for 2009. Apple might get around 8 to 10 million sales.

http://247wallst.com/2009/06/25/pc-sector-sales-not-as-bad-on-2009-growth-in-2010-dell-hpq-aapl-msft-intc/

There are three types of lies, white lies, damn lies, and statistics. Mr Dalrymple, you are lying.

I mean after all did not apple see a 16 percent decrease in feb, while pc saw a 22 percent increase? I could have swore I read that some where.

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/03/17/pc-sales-jump-in-february-as-mac-continues-to-decline/

somewhere

http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUSTRE52F7KS20090316

but can not remember where

http://www.businessinsider.com/windows-slaughters-the-mac-in-february-sales-2009-3

I know it will come to me sooner or later.

Oh and those numbers are year over year. Not your very selected month to month, stuff.

Oh hope, oh pray, oh lie.

[shycelticwitch]

boygeniusreport? like I would think of believing anything posted on a site by that name. Cheese n rice.

[seven7dust]

true, but PCs are made by how many companies again ?
also I wonder if Lexus/BMW are worried about GM Ford and chysler
because they sell about 40 times more cars !
Hmm dont think so !
Look up the marketshare nos for computers above 1000$
and you'll quickly see that Mac marketshare isnt as isignificant as PC fanboys make them to be

[ckh1272]

You just massively contradicted yourself. Let me see if I can straighten this out a little further.
You say-"I mean after all did not apple see a 16 percent decrease in feb, while pc saw a 22 percent increase? I could have swore I read that some where.'

But then you say--"Oh and those numbers are year over year. Not your very selected month to month, stuff."

Which point are you trying to make exactly, especially pulling an article form "boygenius"? That was good for some laughs! It sounds like, to me, that you need to keep YOUR lies straight. Oh hope, oh pray, oh whatever!

[DrtyDogg]

You two did notice that he posted 3 links to the same data right? If you followed the link to the source 2 clicks though(lol) it points to eweek as the original data.

[moviegeek65]

A one month increase of 25% is not enough to predict future sales, as was stated in the article overall sales are down 3%,
Here's a prediction....When Windows 7 comes out this fall it will drive PC sales.

[JeffLewis]

This is a basic misuse of statistics: you do NOT compare percent change of two things with different bases.

Apple commands around 6% of the total marketshare - Windows based PCs have around 92%. These percentages have the same base: the total base of active units. That means that if we assume around a billion PCs (which is false since we know there are over a billion PCs just running Windows), 920M of them are running Windows, 60M are Macs (and that doesn't even jive up with Apple's own stated numbers - they claimed 75M users - but then admitted that 40M of those were iPhone/iPod touch users - which makes the Mac's actual market share closer to 3.5% - but let's not quibble over a few percents.

To increase their market share by 25%, Apple only needs to sell 15M new Macs.

On the other hand for ALL the rest of the PC makers collectively to do the same (and let's not miss this - you've lumped all the other PC makers into one fictional entity by doing this comparison - a more realistic one would be to compare several individual companies), they would have to sell 230M - just over 15 times as many.

Comparing rates of change between two different bases overstates one and understates the other. It makes it sound like the two accomplishments are equivalent when they are not.

[seven7dust]

the point is that Apple is taking Market share away from the PC manuifactures !

[ckurowic]

I love how CNET is always quick to post articles about how "Mac sales are slowing", then they come out with articles that say they are up by 25%...consistently! Make up your mind, oh wait, this is CNET....

[kelmon]

OK, I don't get this. April is hardly a prime buying season and Apple really hasn't released much in the way of new hardware that I would expect to trigger such an upturn in sales. I'm officially baffled by this news.

[gggg sssss]

its the big sale ooops presale to teh main schools.

[hwy_star]

Im starting to see what is going on here, as some of you posters have confirmed. Microsoft has to be paying people to write the anti Apple stuff. Its rediculious how they attack anything to do with Apple. Why cant the other posters see this? its the same arguments over and over again. I have an open mind about OS's but the windows people here do not, why would they think that that crappy operating system is so good? Do they know anything about OS's or do they think that its all about pointing and clicking or playing games? Nobody can be that stupid therefore they must be trollers getting paid by MS.

[freemarket--2008]

Never underestimate the stupidity of anonymous internet users. ;-)

[gggg sssss]

doesnt sound too open from what you just drivelled out

[dogatemyhomework]

I use and support both Macs and Windows PCs. To fanboys of of both stripes: YAWN.....

[ckh1272]

+1 and then some!!

[bvdon]

There are a few simple truths here. Apple is better at marketing their products. Apple easily has a more appealing product with a reputation that is well founded. Once people do try out Macs they tend to see the light and become brand loyal.

It's just a matter of time -- Mac will eventually reclaim market share.

[gggg sssss]

and in th elong run, like MJ, we are all dead. So waht does that prove?

[solblack]

Stupid article, most people have PC. That's why PC sell are down.
If Apple still show growth like this next year then you might have something.
My job i see at least 300 PC no Mac. Now holla lol

[ckh1272]

"If Apple still show growth like this next year then you might have something. "

That statement has been made for the last ten years or so and Apple has slowly been moving up during that time. What has to happen before you change that tired old statement?

[bkedersha]

I have no idea what you people are smoking Apple sales are down, why, BECAUSE THEY ARE TOO DAMN EXPENSIVE!

Apple US Mac Sales Down 16%, Windows PC Sales up 22%
posted by Thom Holwerda on Tue 17th Mar 2009 16:00 UTC
During these financially dire times, it's always interesting to keep en eye on the sales figures of computes, to see if the downward trend is still running. Sales figures from February analysed by NPD indicate that while Mac sales went down, sales of Windows PCs went up. Mind, though, that these figures are US-only.
The cold hard figures are clear. February sales in the US of Apple Macintosh computers went down 16%, while sales of Windows-based computers went up 22%. In the laptop department, Apple's sales dropped 7%, while Windows-based laptop sales increased by 36%. Netbooks play an important role here, since if you take the netbooks out of the total figures, Windows laptop sales went up "only" 16%. The figures are all year-over-year, so February 2009 is compared with February 2008.

[thebarelip]

SInce this is a slow news day - I use both platforma on a daily basis -

Here is my take: First- the only reason Apple is still around is that so many school children were forced to use Apple products when Apple practically gave computers to schools (I've met many people who only know Apple computers because of their exposure to them in elementary/middle/high school experience.)
Second - Apple finally got their systems somewhat reliable after the release of System 10.3 (hardware and software) Prior to this the Macs I used crashed daily - and I mean daily.
Third - I feel the public is less wary of Apple now that they are using industry standard (PC) Intel chips to run their machines.
Any other gains are from their misleading advertising. Like I said - I use both platforms daily.
A G4 with 2GB of ram (just received a MacPro with 16GB) and an HP with dual-core and 4 GB ram running Vista Home Premium (no problems - though I like XP better - I run that on my AMD powered - 4 year old Compaq laptop with 2 GB ram.

The world of PCs have become like any other appliance - personal preference - Funny I don't see these argument over washing machines or flat screen TVs - though some gearheads still argue over which japanese/American cars are better tuners.

Like I said... slow day today

[Zupek]

This whole article is pointless. There is always some figure or numbers you can post to try to prove your point, but guess what there is also figures that show the exact opposite of what you are trying to prove. for instance, Company A selling 10% more of 20,000 copies is 2,000 more copies, however COMPANY B selling 5% of 200,000 copies is 10,000 copies. It's easy to saw that Company A is outselling company B...just look at the %. But Company B has still sold more copies... this whole thing way of "facts" is beyond flawed.

[mselway000]

Agreed. The numbers and percentages are deceiving no matter who's side you are on. I would invite a more meaningful discussion along the lines of "why" Mac's numbers are up or down vs. PCs... are we beginning to finally see a paradigm shift of significance where PCs are "old school" and Mac's represent a clearer cleaner technology to do the business of business?

I'd like to hear more discussion on whether Mac's are becoming more "interesting" in the non-EDU markets. Are we beginning to see businesses realize that the total cost of ownership (TCO) of a Mac with a normally accepted usable lifespan of ~6 years is more economical than a PC which is replaced every 2-3 years? That corporations are waking up to the reality that owning a Mac-based enterprise will cost them significantly less over time than a comparable PC one?

The whole culture of "PCs = throwaway technology" and "Mac = long term investment" is beginning to catch on as a reasonable way to quit filling up landfills with last-years PC technology. And, a means to rein in IT budgets to getting more value per acquisition and maintenance $/Euro spent. These would be far more meaningful discussions of whether Mac's or PC's are growing market share.

Consider, in the end, if a Mac outlives a PC for usable value by twice as long, and I'm replacing PCs with Mac's at 2.5M per quarter, what has to happen to Mac's presence in the world? And PC's?

[beachfront12]

Microsoft is a software company. They do not make computers. Apple is a software and computer company. Comparing Apple to Microsoft is the most idiotic thing I have ever heard. It is like comparing BMW to Chevrolet. There is no comparison. Compare Apple to HP, Sony, Dell, Acer, ect.
Go outside of your little box and look at reality. There are very few people out there who are 100% Mac. Most people who have a Mac also have a PC or they have a copy of Windows on their Mac and use Windows through Mac's Bootstrap. Apple has admitted that 80% of Mac users have a copy of Windows on their Mac.

Apple/Mac is a nich market. It is very good at certain things and other things like software, it is lacking.

Dell's market share is down. People are realizing Dell is crap. HP and Acer's market share is going up mainly because of Netbooks. Sony's market share is going down mainly due to their high cost compared to other manufacturers. Apple is gaining market share mainly due to education sales. Apple has always given computers at a discount to the education systems to gain market share.

If Apple would get off their high horse and create the netbook everyone is wanting, they could take over the market.

[happynewyorker]

I believe the sales will continue to grow as young people buy more and more apple products all around as this has become as "lifestyle" brand and pc's are uncool. I would be more worried about Netbooks and mini computers in your cell phones ie ---look at all the apps you can get on the apple phone here it comes!

As a very important note I would like to add that I work professionally in television broadcast and only use mac and mac programs.

I personally have owned 5 apple computers and every single one of them has been great, and worked 99.99% of the time-in fact I just gave my nephew a computer I have had since 1999 and it works like a champ.

In comparison my husband has gone through 4 PC computers/laptops that have had tons of software problems, built like junk and broken down again and again. Even with my tech savy I had to give up and send it out to the shop costing 100's in repairs or throwing it in the garbage. Because of his job my husband is forced to use pc's and windows --an uninspiring, slow, and out of date platform he hates.

Windows is 20 steps behind the mac lifestyle platform that comes installed and ready for take off on the mac....I agree they are more $$$ but I predict they are going to bust out a major new item in 2010...June or January watch out.

[happynewyorker]

add-on--- -all 5 of those mac still work flawlessly when will pc compare to that record?