Comments on: Live blog: iPhone OS 3.0 preview

Apple's preview of the iPhone OS 3.0 software starts at 10 a.m. PDT from its headquarters in Cupertino, and this is the place to be for live coverage.

[Jonnygthedrummer]

suspense is building

[cleptomaniac]

I don't have an iPhone, but with the tech on that thing I think it would be cool to be able to make video calls. I think it would be cool to have it built in, so sorry if there is an app for this but I just don't know.

[mmitsuda]

WOW! It's about time the iphone have the same functionality as my OLD TREO 650 have! Congrats Apple, you are up to speed now with the rest of the world now! But wait, where is the bluetooth tethering??? Not yet? Meh, I will stick with my Treo and perhaps upgrade to PRE...

[jabberwolf]

um not really.

By the time iphone releases 3.0, things like Toshiba TG01 will be out and about.
Compare the 2, and iphone gives too little, too late.
Maybe to its present owners but not to new ones.

[SNOOP_ROCA]

I don't wanna sound like some of these other hate/love crazed fanboys, but 2 all the people saying how palm, Toshiba, etc. have had these basic features for years, that's MOST LIKELY because Toshiba, Palm, etc. have been around for YEARS!!!!! Apple's phone is only in it's SECOND generation (And they've only made these two phones) so how are you gonna compare YEARS of experience in the phone business to two years? Everyone, the iPhone is revolutionary, despite it's set backs........CAN EVERYONE JUST STOP WITH YOUR FANBOYNESS?

[zincmann]

Wow cut and paste, how novel is that?..Let me check my Windows Mobile 6.1 Smartphone with Touch Flo..oh thats right we have HAD that for a while...and I dont need a Data plan to use it how I want to...

[krosafcheg]

Even after the release of Apple's SDK and the subsequent flood of groundbreaking apps it has enabled, we still occasionally hear these sad echoes of people trying to convince themselves that the iPhone isn't as good as whatever piece of crap they bought. It makes me chuckle.

Indeed, krosafcheg. Indeed. "Let me check my Windows Mobile 6.1 Smartphone with Touch Flo..." Why not just say, "Let me come up with some reason to pretend to be an elitist so I can bash something." Windows is, and will continue to be for the foreseeable future, a waste of money.

[seven7dust]

touchflo ? you mean lipstick on a pig

[aMUSICsite]

Windows mobile had more application than the iPhone, until last month...

Windows mobile has a larger market share (total) and more features, but one my one the iPhone, and other phones, will surpass windows mobile. Apple does not try to do all things at once but slowly build up it's products and make sure they work. Anything missing in iphone OS 3.0 will probably make it into 4.0.

[Mark_Anderson]

"Even after the release of Apple's SDK and the subsequent flood of groundbreaking apps it has enabled"

Groundbreaking applications like...?

Feel free to list them.

[exel2001]

Yeah, I have had a few Windows smartphones and even tried one with ATT but is sucked so bad I finally gave up and got the iPhone. The Windows smartphones just feel cheap to me, and I actually like Microsoft! The iPhone just works and like another users said, they are slowly ramping up with features so that it actually all works the way it's suppose to.

[professionaladventurer]

Short version of what everyone else said: Windows Mobile is crap, kinda like all the windows OS. Good thing they don't make autopilot OS's.

[lantzn]

Yes and how long a lead has Windows Mobile and others had on the iPhone? Yet the iPhone has jumped to the top of the heap in such a short amount of time. How long do you think it will be for them to pass all things Windows? Not long is my guess.

[Norseman]

Hey, NZ (sorry, I mean zincmann). You are getting very, VERY tiresome. Why don't you just go sit in a corner and cut and paste whatever it is you cut and paste and leave discussions about iPhones to those who know what they're talking about. I think it's very interesting that them what hates the iPhone the most am them what ain't got one.

[cnetcomments123]

zincmann - congratulations on buying that windows phone, we are very impressed with how smart you are. Now go away and keep trying to convince yourself that you are happy using it and continue copying and pasting yourself into giddy delight.

Am I the only person who never needed to copy and paste anything on my iphone(s) - what is the big deal? Apple will probably provide this feature in this update, but I truly wonder how many people will actually use it? Can someone give me an example of when they would use it? Couldn't you just use the screencapture function of iPhone and save pages, text as an image?

[simelane]

I have had my iPhone 3G since about August last year. In all that time I recall about 2 times when I was very upset that I could not cut and paste... I got over it and moved on. There are also perhaps about 2 incidents when I really needed to forward a text message and was irritated that I couldn't...

However, I still wouldn't trade my iPhone for any other handset because what it does well, it does really well... much better than any other phone (I have several generations of Windows Mobile hand sets - including an HTC running 6.1)

I guess I am pragmatic about my phone... the iPhone is far from perfect, but its implementation and execution of those features that matter the most, is peerless.

[bonesbautista]

Chiming in as an iPhone user that has needed the "cut" portion a few times in the Mail application, but I'll agree with you on the rest of your point.

In Mail, there's more than once I've wanted to respond to or forward an email, but didn't want to include the whole thread - holding down that Delete key is a major PITA on really long threads.

[jusben1369]

Completely agree. I've had an iPhone for 18 months etc and never really thought of cut and paste.

[mouseclick]

I like my iPhone but, not having cut and paste has been a real drag:

- to cut and paste part of websites (news articles, etc.) that I want to text or email to someone.
- to cut and paste and address or phone number to email or text to someone.
- cut and paste from one app to another (from text to email, from the web to all others)
- cut and paste contact details to send it along to someone else.

I could list three times more possibilities. I had a Treo before the iPhone that did cut and paste and I used it at least each week. Just because a few people do not find a use for it, there are equally as many others (or more) that have found it to be sinful that Apple did not have this from the start (it was why I did not buy an iPhone until I caught wind they were finally going to add it and so I bought one finally in the past few months - probably should have waited until this summer but having my iPod and a phone in one device was a bigger deciding factor). So, it is nice that this basic functionality is finally making it in - I give them no kudos on it, however, as it should have always been there...

[Brunogirl]

I would love copy/paste to copy links into SMS and especially for contact management away from my Mac. When multiple contacts share numbers, etc, but I want the contacts themselves listed seperately it avoids re-typing. I'm not saying it was a deal breaker for me, since obviously I have and love my 3G, but it would be an enhancements that I'll likely use a lot. And yes, you can save text as an image, but then that isn't really useful for the recipient. Then think of how namy screenshots might be involved...

Something I'm hoping for is Flash, so I can check radar loops from the NOAA website (which does not use Quicktime) instead of the dreaded Weather.com.

[AaronD12]

Try Weather Underground. They have an iPhone-friendly mobile site with animated radars.

iPhone-friendly site: http://i.wund.com/

Regular site: http://www.wunderground.com/

[zincmann]

Actually I am quite happy with it, why do you the apple iPhony population need to get so offended when a comment is made about Windows Mobile? Is it just a natural reaction, OH No we need to push back, all I was saying was that I had that feature and i dont need to be locked into Apple's DATA PLAN required feature to use all the functionality of my smartphone an HTC Touch Pro by the way with a slide out keyboard.

[Brunogirl]

You know, truthfully I think it comes down to preference. And I personally find it a bit offensive when Windows people show up on an apple forum, just to tout their 'superior' product when it is obvious that our sensibilities and tastes run in different directions. I prefer a keyboard that pops into play when needed and doesn't make my device any bigger. That is my choice. But I don't enjoy being referred to by less than imaginative pejoratives like iphony. It diminishes anything constructive you might be seeking to say here. But then, often it seems windows users who stalk Apple forums aren't looking to be constructive or inclusive. Why is it OK for some people to have a preference and not others without resorting to name calling? That's where you'll get 'push back'.

[sythara]

@Brunogirl

Then perhaps yopu should put a leash on Applerocks guy or whatever his name is :-)

Also this is an open forum for everyone to start fights on, not apple forum. Some people love conflicts, and some just hate apple so much they would go out of their own way to insult it.

[Brunogirl]

If only I had a cyber muzzle sometimes.... I don't know who applerocks guy is but I don't appreciate fan bashing - no matter what camp a person finds themselves in. I don't mind a frank discussion of features and benefits, but personal attacks are pointless.

[ikramerica--2008]

Huh. So you write a confrontational dismissal of something most people are here to learn about because they like it (iPhone), and wonder why people get "offended" by your baiting? And then call everyone "iPhony" while lamenting that they are too touchy?

If you don't want to be attacked, don't attack first. Simple as that.

We all know windows Mobile is awesome. That's why there's so much buzz about how great it is, and why everyone is saying: 'sure, Windows 7 is cool, but who needs it on a phone? Windows Mobile 6.1 is da bomb." ... ;)

[rranger1]

@Brunogirl

As an iPhone user, I can see your point. But you need to remember that a lot of it is pure jealousy. The iPhone is an expensive product, and many who would like it can't afford it - pure and simple. That said, I love it!

OTOH, as a Windows user, I think it cuts both ways. I am truly, truly tired of Vista being trashed - particularly by OS X and Linux users who've never used it. It is a fine operating system - there, I've said it - and this is coming from someone who regularly uses a couple of flavors of Linux as well. And, it isn't resource hungry or buggy or non user-friendly or ya da ya da, as many would purport. It runs just fine for me, never crashes, and looks great while doing it.

But back to your point, I think too often people look to justify their own purchases at the expense of others because that way they don't truly have to critically examine their decisions. I can't believe I'm actually writing this at work ... I need a life!

[Brunogirl]

ikramerica - you really need to read all the comments. You have a lot of things inverted. Try looking at zincmann....

[Brunogirl]

My bad ikramerica - I realize now that you were directing at zincmann. Apologies.

[Morwynd]

"why do you the apple iPhony population need to get so offended when a comment is made about Windows Mobile?"

Because you did it in a sarcastic, insulting manner. Seriously, you sound like Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons.

Everyone here already knows that cut n paste is widely available on other smartphones. You clearly just came here to be a smug jerk about it. Nobody is buying your "Huh? Why are you offended by my innocent little comment?" routine. You're just another troll.

[ikramerica--2008]

yep, should have been more clear I was talking to zinc, who may not have meant any harm, but somehow couldn't see that he was purposely being confrontational.

as mory says, iPhone users coming to these blog KNOW what is missing, and are interested in finding out what has been added/fixed. So someone trolling along, being confrontational saying how great a competing product is adds nothing. That stuff can wait for the myriad other threads linked to opinion pieces. This is simply a live blog update. Not the same thing.

And for anyone who thinks that Spotlight is just some 'search' thing or that somehow Apple is copying Spotlight from Palm? They need to actually use a mac before making such silly comments. Spotlight is superior to any other search function I've ever used on any platform, and the reality is, Apple wanted to wait to bring search to the iPhone until they could figure out how to get it to be Spotlight. Not sure if that was the right move (as I didn't buy an iPhone yet because I couldn't search emails), but Spotlight will have made it worth the wait.

[cnetcomments123]

Brunogirl - thanks for your comments. Makes sense, URLs would be a pain to retype to send in email or IM. Flash would be good - I guess - but an option to turn it on/off would be very useful also. Some sites would take forever to load due to the file size.

zincmann - Still here? Why are you following the apple 3.0 discussion, sounds like you have the phone you want? Why do we get offended you ask - that's a funny question. Gosh, I have no idea...

It's not 'natural' for us to follow windows mobile discussions, we have NO interest at all in a windows mobile phone and can't add any value to those types of discussions. I guess you wanted to use that clever word 'iphony' hunh! That was cute. Did you copy and paste that line from some of your other forum posts? Can you work in the word 'fanboy' also - that would be thrilling. Not as thrilling as a slide out keyboard, but pretty close...

[zincmann]

cnetcomments123. I enjoy the entertainment I guess and no I didn't copy and past the word I used, I thunk it all up my little self here in my office. I don't know what a Fanboy is... evidentially you do or you wouldnt mention the word. Probably because you're busy defending your locked down smartphone device with the little apple on it eh?

[cnetcomments123]

zincmann: do us a favor and get your entertainment elsewhere, that is sad. You can't add any value to this discussion. I'm sure your 'little self' would be happier over on some forums about windows mobile. Hopefully you are adding more value to that 'office' you are in.

[Brunogirl]

I would love it if this comment thread would cease to degenerate any further. I would also like to address the notion that I have somehow given up something vastly more valuable by having a device with 'restrictions'.

You see - I am a 'fangirl'. Someone who decided long ago that quality was more important than quantity. For Apple fanboys and girls like myself who lived through the dark ages of Apple's history and decided that we would never, ever buy a PC while a viable Mac option still existed on the planet that would boot with that happy little chime - we will never find value outside of our vaunted apple experience.

I guess you can say I 'drank the Kool-Aid' because I don't see anything wrong the Apple guarding the experience for me by restricting the content on my phone. It is a novel device, and while I respect the right for those technophiles among us who desire to have enerything and the kitchen sink running on every device they own, I subscribe to the philosophy that less is more (and believe that bloatware is what sunk Vista at the outset).

So I don't feel the need to 'defend' my preferences. My loooong history using apple products has led me to the point where I feel that they are more inline with my personal methods of computing than any PC platform available to date. As for the argument that I'm somehow missing something with my 'locked' phone... I think that argument is made by those who are missing the point. If you need a device that offers you more than this one does - then excercise your right in the free market and purchase it. But don't malign others with other proclivities. Please.

[sythara]

Great post!

There is nothing wrong with being a fanboy (or fangirl, or fan-whatever) as long as you admit it. Its all down to perosnal preference, and if apple products are good for you, or anyone, then more power to you. I just hate it when the same apple people who claim to be so sophisticated and above everyone else go on and bash windows or anything remotely resembling windows for no reason other than making themselves feel better by pointing out imaginary superior features of apple.

And iPhone is great, of course if it weren't on ATT and had an actual keyboard... But thats personal preference.

Oh and one point people are missing about Apple is that the reason they take so long to roll out with features and such is because of all the testing that is done to make sure there are no conflicts or problems. Unlike other companies that just slap features together and hope they work.

[1812dave]

Brunogirl, go make your pathetic fangirl noises elsewhere. Apple has screwed up so many updates for various Apple products even their loyal fanbase is pissed off (finally). Get a clue. There are many things you can't do on a Mac, btw; something you fanbois and girls seem to keep forgetting, not to mention the ridiculous Apple Tax.

[cnetcomments123]

1812dave: take a deep breath and relax. It will all be OK. It may be the pressure of carrying the voice of millions of apple's fan base that has you so angry. Here is another opinion that is likely in the minority, so ignore it if it like: I will gladly pay the apple tax, whatever that is. It may be the cheapest tax I pay, but if it is needed to keep others innovating and drive superior quality and design in the industry - then I will pay it.

[lantzn]

My feelings as well. Having worked in state government since 1986 I've had my fill of Windows. I do graphics and video and had a dual platform environment for years. I can't tell you how many times Apple products have saved my butt. As far as the PC, well I'll just leave the complaining up to the 1300+ PC users in my agency.

[nelsonescorcio]

This is NOT an apple forum, Bruno girl.
And while most of you are complaining because zincmann said something you don't like to hear, you already spent many times that same space just to attack him.

YES, it is a little pathetic that the one feature everyone seems to expect for a 2009 smartphone is... copy and paste. Almost everyother smartphone has one.
This kind of reactions does make, sadly, the expression "apple fan boy" more and more meaningful...

Now shall we discuss what to expect besides that pathetic little function?
Tethering? Now THAT would be great. It could actually make by on of those.

[Brunogirl]

Since when is CNET exclusively PC domain? Since this comment thread directly related to the release of iPhone 3.0 software I would suggest that this is Apple's little slice. I follow Ina Fried, I like to know what is going on in Redmond - and recognize that Microsoft is not the enemy. Obviously CNET sees the merit of following all the movers and shakers in Silicon Valley, and that means Cupertino too.

Perhaps you should ask yourself if that fact that we would like something as 'trivial' as copy/paste means that we really don't need anything else form our device. As for tethering - that is ATT, not the phone.

[lantzn]

Brunogirl is right about tethering. I remember a while back there was an app for this in the app store that worked well. It was suddenly pulled with no mention as to why. We can only guess AT&T wanted it so, otherwise Apple wouldn't have gone to the trouble of approving it in the first place.

What's this "EVERYONE" expects cut and paste? I haven't and no one I know has complained about it. If you read some of the posts others have mentioned the same. Just because a few vocal people have complained, doesn't mean it should be at the top of Apple's list. Those same complainers are only now being vocal because Apple has finally added it in version 3 of the software.

[zincmann]

nelson Bravo! Thanks!!.. Much appreciated and I forgot when having an opinion in the United States got you ostracized. If you don't like what I have to say you don't have to read it or respond for that matter. And thank you for moderating this Nelson.. very good logic and I agree with your opinion.

[ITcomposer]

Hey guys its just a matter of taste, and what one can afford. I for one own a WINDOWS MOBILE 5.0 Smartphone, and it does what i need it to do, Calendars, and texting, thats it. Frankly, yea i do wish i could afford an Iphone but given the economics, can't right now.

Pros on the Iphone

* SAFARI Mobile works better than IE 5 Mobile
* A real music player
* App store

Cons on the iphone:

* No MS OFFICE Mobile (this feature works great on pocket pcs)
* No keyboard, as well im used to tapping keys, not a screen


Yes i have played with the iphone enough to see the pluses and minuses on Apples creation, so there, it is just a matter of what u like, and what you can afford. Done

Verizon PN-820
Windows Mobile 5.0 Standard

[Brunogirl]

I'm with you on the MS Office Mobile. I would love to see that. A friend has an app that allows him to remotely dial into his Mac and there is one for Windows too. Both are too pricey for me since I'll rarely if ever need them.

It comes down to the economy of need for me.

[1812dave]

If Apple doesn't vastly improve their OS, Palm is gonna siphon off much of the iPhone business with the upcoming Pre.

[cnetcomments123]

Bravo brunogirl! Well said.

I have had an iphone since 2.0, and I can't say that I am missing any feature. The ability to make calls, browse the internet on a true web browser, listen to music, access multiple email accounts, use visual voice mail, and use a real web browser to me is still amazing. I have not yet reached the point where I can spend more time than that on a mobile device.

I have bought some apps, but only use a few for weather, news, and linkedin.

Occasionally, the ability to use bluetooth to sync notes back and forth with my laptop seems useful. But maybe a handful of times throughout a year -- maybe. Or to transfer a file back and forth.

The ability to shoot short videos would be cool, and I would use that. So that would be my only wish list item for 3.0.

[1812dave]

then skip 3.0 cnetcomments123. YOU don't need cut & paste, multitasking, MMS, or a raft of other features, but millions of others would heartily disagree with your minority opinion.

[Brunogirl]

Yeah - I would like video.

[cnetcomments123]

1812dave: thanks for weighing in and for the suggestions - I will consider them. You in turn, may consider my comments as minority and not worth reply, please carry on with your voice of the millions of others.

If I may ask - what is multitasking?

[Brunogirl]

Ah I think he's referring to having an app run in the background while working actively in another - like the old multifinder. That would be a nice thing to - to a point. For things like ambient sounds not from ipod, or apps that use alarms, etc I don't want to quit the app.

But, if apps run in the background it may be difficult to be sure they have quit when you return to the home screen and will likely affect battery life adversely. I would be glad to wait a while longer to be sure it works perfectly, but would like that feature too.

[rapier1]

@Brunogirl:

Looks like your wish has been fulfilled. The one thing I wonder about is that a lot of other phones and small computing devices can do multitasking without much hassle. I'm also guessing this is going to eliminate the possibility of cut and paste. Without a shared memory space you can't cut and paste between apps. They should be able to do it within an app though.

[rapier1]

Well, looks like I was wrong on the cut and paste.

[1812dave]

ah, Brunogirl..you mentioned it's AT&T's fault on tethering, not Apple. Now tell us all, WHO PICKED AT&T to be their exclusive carrier?????? oh, what's that I hear? "Apple"??? DUH!!!

[cnetcomments123]

tethering is not important to me. ATT was a fine choice in my minority opinion. I have had no complaints. Judging by the success of the iphone, I guess the partnership worked out OK.

[Brunogirl]

I was already an ATT customer before going to the iPhone. I would gladly have left them if Apple could have hammered out an agreement with another carrier. I think ATT was the only carrier that saw the value in the phone and I think even they vastly underestimated the impact it would have on the smartphone market. Alot of very good people had been trying for a very long time in that market with only moderate success. It is a very tough nut to crack and I think no one could have predicted the iPhone's success.

[rranger1]

@cnetcomments

AT&T is like Vista for me ... It's almost as though people kept repeating the mantra that AT&T s**ks long enough that it really stuck. I'm fine with AT&T's service (except for the outrageous cost). And, in retrospect, it's become quite clear that Apple was the problem with respect to coverage prior to version 2.1 of the OS.

[zincmann]

1812dave, Its never Apple's fault, apple is the big white peaceful cloud in the sky, where the heavens shine down, and all is well

[Brunogirl]

@ 1812dave....

I think Verizon regrets that they wouldn't subsidize the phone to bring the price point down.

As far as MMS - I send mms using my mail app to any number that has mms using the phone number through the carriers mms port. Non-issue.

As my MacBook runs windows XP natively in it's own FAT32 partition, I'd love for you to tell me what my Mac can't do.

[1812dave]

LOL! I should have been more specific since Apple had to cave in to users wanting access to the zillions of Windows-only applications. I should have said OSX, rather than "Mac". One thing a recent Macbook cant do is Firewire... hehe!

[Brunogirl]

I know... that is something I'm glad my MacBook has.

[rapier1]

You mean you can run multiple operating systems on a single hardware platform?! Amazing. I've never heard of this before! Its breaking news to say the least. Its really wonderful to see that Apple finally caught up with everyone else.

[seven7dust]

@rapier
????
am I missing something but can Pcs run OSX or emulate OSX apps ?
So I wonder who's catching up to who again ?
Apple never play catchup they create new rules !

[rapier1]

Actually, Seven7Dust, a regular PC can run OS X a la hackintosh - its just not supported. Likewise you can run OS X in a PowerPC emulator like PearPC (albeit slowly). All of that is aside the point though. The OP was making it out like dual booting - which is all that Bootcamp does - is some sort of wonderous breakthrough technology. Its not, its old hat and people have been doing it for decades. Apple did not innovate in this regard - they just loosened their restrictions a little bit. Heck, the Mac is now just commodity hardware - it should be able to run any x86 based OS without a hitch.

[seven7dust]

@rapier
we r taking legalities here not innovation
pure and simple rules of the law !
I would love to use one of those hakintoshes at work
as I need both Tiger and Windows XP
but I need a Mac specifically a Macbook to do that legally !
A Dell running OSX would be great
but Fans of OSX will not find value in a Dell or a Hakintosh n e way !
as we care more about other things than spec sheets and millions of ports !

[rapier1]

I love it when people redefine their position when faced with contrary evidence.
"The sky is red"
'Actually its blue!'
"No I obviously meant that the sky, when seen through these red filters, is red"
'uhhh... okee doke'

[screamapillar]

@rapier1
Ok ok, I usually really respect your posts because you seem to be one of the few balanced people out here... but can I just say that was the best post ever? I've never laughed out loud (literally) at work. /tiphat

And seven7dust - OSx having to use windows emulators is actually seen by many as a flaw in that the pure system on its own isn't enough :o This is where the market share arguement comes in as a valid point. It is enough for the Mac software but Mac software isn't perfect either. We all have preferences. To me, Mac OS is the WoW of OSs. Heaps of users love it but I think it is corny, cartoony and dumbed down, so I don't like it. My personal preference is all. So I'd never emulate OSx on my PC. That being said, I hate using the windows emulators on my Mac, not only do many programs not work well but there is too much memory gone. I have the Mac for some things and the PC for others. And yes, my PC dual (dare I say duel??) boots but until now (?) the Mac couldn't.

I guess, in summary, I'm saying the sky is really green (/giggle)

Um and to the 'this is an Apple forum' proponants, it is not. It is a CNET thread and there are many of us that are both apple and PC users so yes, we read both types of threads as we aren't isolationist and intolerant of other people's choices.

[Brunogirl]

@sythara...

Finally some reason and openmindedness! Yay! :)

I found with the intelligent typing on my iPhone I type wicked fast even without keys. I didn't have any problems with my old blackberry, except that since I had a corporate discount it would not let me setup mail to anything other than my enterprise e-mail account. since my work didn't pay for my phone I didn't want work e-mail. Now I can manage all my e-mails, and my 16 y/o loves my old blackberry since the qwerty is a major upgrade for him.

I wish I had more advance notice about upcoming Apple stuff, but I really do appreciate the fact that announcements aren't made until things are ready - and ship dates aren't pie-in-the-sky randomness that gets pushed back for months. I'm somewhat surprised that this is a preview.

[1812dave]

HUH??? Call me crazy but I recall the iPhone was unveiled MONTHS before it's release. and the software still isn't "ready". 2.2.1 is killing plenty of iPhones and Touchs. go check the Apple forums. and 8.1 iTunes is also another pile of crap out of Cupertino

[Brunogirl]

yes Dave - the iPhone was unveiled before its' release (shocking!). And it was set to release sometime in June. when did it release you ask? October? September? No! June! All this and reversi!!!!

;)

[cnetcomments123]

Yes, iTunes is a disaster : ) That's funny.

[1812dave]

brunogirl, now u didn't see me write that the iPhone was late--just released months after unveiling. I hope the 3.0 software doesn't brick our touchs/iPhones and is available VERY soon. And I am hoping it addresses the most commonly asked-for features. I forgot earlier to mention Flash, something I suspect still won't be in the 3.0 version. 90 minutes to go until the unveiling!

[Brunogirl]

I'm getting excited - not a good sign.... I should remain objective. What are you hoping for besides the obvious and what do you think it will bring to the platform?

[Jonnygthedrummer]

Hey guys, im looking at getting the iPod Touch today,, should i wait for the 3.0 software -- if it effects the ipod touch

or will i be able to update it??

[Brunogirl]

Since the last major software update was a purchased update - you might want to get more information first. The original iPod touch buyers who got their touches with 1.0 had to buy the 2.0 update.

[1812dave]

If I were you, yes, I would wait for the new OS release.

[Brunogirl]

OMG agreement!!! Wow - this CNET universe is a wonderous place. ;)

See - we're not so different, just different enough.

LOL

[Jonnygthedrummer]

how much was it , i woulnt mind that much, an would i mostly be able to upgrade, since the ipod touch in only lke 6 months old

[Brunogirl]

I think it was $10 or something. I would at least wait until the announcement to see what the plan is and then figure out if it is worth it to buy now and upgrade later or wait.

[Jonnygthedrummer]

i would wait , todays my only day to get out an will be out when the event is going on,,,,

an would the update come out today , or would it be a little while, days, weeks???

thanks guys

[Brunogirl]

From the information I've seen it won't be available today. And from past experience when new software is available for existing hardware, the devices already in the stores have the older software pre-loaded (see iLife '09)...

[Jonnygthedrummer]

cool ok , i think ill get it today , then just pay $10 for the update.

[Brunogirl]

No one knows if the update will be $10 or not. Be prepared in the event that reality doesn't live up to expectations based on past performances.

[Synthmeister]

$9.95 was the price they mentioned. And apparently it will unlock some kind of Bluetooth functionality in the 2nd generation touch. Not surprising since the 2nd generation touch has the built in NIke software which uses bluetooth to talk to the little transmitter.

From Ars Technica transcription:

Snell from Macworld: Compatibility questions. What about Bluetooth and the iPod touch.
11:43
David Chartier: Second gen iPod touch can get some of that functionality unlocked, Joswiak says.