Comments on: Microsoft releases its first iPhone app

Free image-browsing app is intended to show what is possible on the mobile platform, but where is the Windows Mobile version?

[AppleProLeo]

I wonder how all you PC Whinnies are going to defend errr...spin this one.

Begin....

[StargateFan]

That's easy, Apple produces software for Windows right (QuickTime, iTunes, Safari)? Why can't Microsoft try it's hand at making a killer App on another platform, it's good business strategy.

[Rawnchie14]

Stargate is right. Microsoft has nothing to lose by programming for the iPhone and everything to gain. They have far more important things to consider other than world domination.

And as for "PC Whinnies..." that's completely irrelevant to this topic. Don't be a tool.

[MMC Racing]

Nothing to spin - Windows Mobile has been a corp OS, not consumer.. Microsoft missed the market shift.

[AppleProLeo]

@StargateFan

Yeah but all these Apple Apps you're referring to have been on the Apple Platform FIRST.

What is it saying when Microsoft releases an application on the Apple platform before it's own - especially ti's Mobile platform in this case. Imagine if Apple were to release an application on one of the Microsoft platform before it's own.

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To all those who say Mac's are too expensive, get a job!

[Alex Alexzander]

@AppleProLeo,

Microsoft is the 2nd largest Mac software developer behind only Apple itself.

And keep this in mind. The only reason Apple is #1 with the iPod at all, is because Apple got a clue and sells it for the PC platform. Anytime Apple wants to leave the PC platform and see how well they do without Windows, they can be my guest.

Alex Alexzander

[murbo]

@ Alex Alexzander
say whaat? MS is the second "great" software developer for mac platform after apple? LMAO, first of all there is nothing great about MS, i think the word you were looking for was largest. secondly from your previous posts i remember you were an author of a low end dvd authoring book or something like that. i believe with your background you should be aware of programs like avid and developers like adobe. the only thing ms did for mac platform was internet explorer (which is dead for a long time now), windows media player that doesn't do anything than playing non-drm wmv files which quicktime is quite capable of, and a stripped down version of messenger that doesn't even let you use intranet voice chat without the use of an expensive local server. don't tell anyone here that apple would loose all of its market if it shifted its ipod market to macs only. ms is releasing crappy lite versions of its software for mac and no one seems to mind and it doesn't fool anyone into buying windows. in fact it pissed me off so much that i completely shut ms from my home and turned more and more into itunes in terms of media.

oh and the fact that MS is releasing an app that is the "backbone of photosynth" which is pretty much the most innovative thing that came out of live labs for iphone first means nothing but the failure of windows live

[terminalblue]

i think it just prove that the iphone is for people that dont have any real work to do

[Alex Alexzander]

First of all, murbo, I never used the word Great. So I have no idea why you are adding quotes to a word I never used. You also say I should have used, "Largest" which is in fact the word I used. Perhaps you visit the eye doctor. And the reality is, more 85% of the iPod sales are to PC users. You also forgot that Microsoft also makes Office:Mac, the best selling productivity tool on the Mac platform. No other productivity app is directly mentioned as a benefit to Office users in Apple's own marketing material. Also, Steve Jobs is the one who went to Bill Gates with his tail between his leggs begging Gates to keep office on the Mac for another 5 years. Even Jobs felt strongly enough that it is a much needed app for the Mac and losing it would be a disaster for Apple. Note, I didn't say it would be a platform killer. I just said it would be a disaster.

Alex

[jinx101a]

Your such a troll, you always start these threads off with insulting posts. Microsoft is a software company, they sell software. They're in this case, selling software. They've sold software on Apple platforms before and still do (e.g. Office for the Mac). This is no different, they're in it to make money. You're insults show your true mentality.

[blinkdt]

Defnd? Spin? Whatever do you mean, man? Microsoft makes software, some for Apple hardware platforms, yes? Next question . . . .

[_Jae]

haha nice one AppleProLeo :P

[blinkdt]

Yes, insightful. He's such a wit.

[pdkoenig]

It also begs the question: Where is the Mac desktop version of this?

[Rod Roddy]

haha nice one pdkoenig:P

[AppleSuxLeo]

It works great. Try it !http://www.hanselman.com/blog/DeepZoomSeadragonSilverlight2MultiScaleImagesAtMix.aspx

[tjmm1234]

Apple is overpriced, just as buggy hardware and software but, people still try to defend their computer division?? If Microsoft did not help Apple out years ago, they would be a dead dog in the water. Anyone ever here about Microsoft Office for Apple. This Apple versus Micrsoft crap are as tired arguments as Brown vs. Education!!

[AppleProLeo]

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To all those who say Mac's are too expensive, get a job!

[imsodamnhappy]

For the price of a Mac Desktop. I can buy a laptop and a desktop PC. When you are buying Mac, you are paying for an OS that is all hyped up because it's not Windows when in all reality, neither work better than the other. They both have their ups and downs, just like any software. Nothing is perfect in the computer world. Even Linux has many flaws. Maybe people would use Mac more if they licensed their OS to any machine. People call M$ greedy, but for all the greed M$ has with their software, Apple doubles it. I can't see spending 2000 dollars for a laptop just because it looks pretty, especially when I can get a PC version, with better specs, for half the price, and then put Fedora on it. Then I have another 1000 dollars to blow away on records.

[murbo]

apple is not overpriced, it never was. dont compare apples to oranges. apple uses quality hardware and with its expensive models, performance hardware. pystar uses crappy core 2 quads, apple uses xeon quads, there is a big difference in the performance. just like you wouldnt buy a dual quad core processor pc with 16 gigs of ram and high end nvidia graphics card for word processing , dont look at the prices of high end macs with low end pc's. go get a mac mini.

about ms office.... .... .... i have no comments for some piece of code that didn't change one bit since 1995... fail

[Alex Alexzander]

@murbo,

Name one part in Apple's hardware lineup that's isn't in a PC anyone else like Dell, HP/Compaq, IBM, etc. Name a single part in any machine Apple makes. I dare you to even try. And before you say XEONs, those are offered from every PC vendor, and I can buy them loose as I have a duel XEON PC with twin Nocona processors. Nocona's are Xeons.

Alex

Alex

[SeizeCTRL]

AppleProLeo is the exact reason why I hate most Apple users. Fracking elitist BS that comes out of their "i'm better than you" mouth makes me want to shove my foot down their throat. It makes me wish I didn't own an iMac, a G4 and 3 iPods.

I'd never want to be lumped into the same category as that macintard troll.

[NEO7777777777777777777]

@murbo

What's wrong with you man. This is not the first software from MS for MAC. Never heard of MS office suite for MAC. It is the best office suite available on MAC

[Jonathan Monahan]

@Alex you have 4 year old Xeon's in your machine congrats. Now go price me out a Dell with the same base specs (Processor speed/quantity, RAM, HD, GFX Card) from any of the major vendors and see which is cheaper. Here I'll do the work for you. Dell Precision T5400 Dual Quad 2.8GHz Xeon, 2GB RAM, 320GB HD, 256MB GFX card $3728.00. Mac Pro same specs $2799.

[Alex Alexzander]

@Jonathan Monahan ,

Let me help you a little since you don't seem capable of comparing very well.

Studio XPS Desktop

Intel® Core i7
Intel® X58 Chipset
Genuine Windows Vista® Home Premium Edition SP1, 64-Bit
Dell 23 inch Consumer? S2309W Flat Panel, Adjustable Stand
Single Drive: 16X CD/DVD burner (DVD+/-RW) w/double layer write capability
6GB Tri-Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1066MHz - 6 DIMMs
640GB - 7200RPM, SATA 3.0Gb/s, 16MB Cache
256MB ATI Radeon HD 3450
Integrated 7.1 Channel Audio
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Front Ports
Optical Drive ((DVD+/-RW, Blu-ray DiscTM ))
Mini (4-pin) IEEE 1394
Headphone port
Microphone / Line-in port
19-in-1 Card Reader(optional)
USB 2.0 (4)

Rear Ports
IEEE 1394
RJ45 10/100/1000 Network port
Back L/R surround connector
Center/subwoofer connector
Line-in connector
Front L/R line-out connector
Microphone connector
Side L/R surround connector
USB 2.0 (4)
eSata
S/PDIF connector

PCIe x1: 3 Slot
PCIe x16 (Graphics): 1 Slot

$1,299

That costs as much as a low end iMac, has 3 times the memory, a bigger screen, expansion slots, and oh yeah, Intel's latest Core i7 processor.

So, find me a Mac like this. LOL!!!

Alex

[assman]

I also cannot stand these moronic arguments. Also you make a good point that Apple wouldn't exist today without Microsoft's bailout of them a decade ago. Microsoft wants the competition. Maybe Apple users should be thanking MS for allowing Apple to survive and prosper.

[Jonathan Monahan]

You're comparing a DESKTOP to a consumer all-in-one. Try the XPS One and put in a real graphics card then let me know the price.

[g15host]

Actually the correct spin would to say Apple knows how to make hardware work for software right. All msft software works best on a Apple product.

[ZetaZeta_]

So you could that Microsoft knows how to make software work for hardware right, so long as they're developing for a specific vendor's specific product (in this case Apple). In terms of the Operating system, though, if we were to talk about Vista running on Apple hardware, software that installs on more than one system tends to have flaws (driver support, incompatibilities). Where an OS is concerned, the burden of driver support and proper compatibility falls on the hardware manufacturer. If Vista runs well on Apple hardware, which it does, that's Microsoft's success for making a good OS, and Apple's success for supporting that OS well. When you have serious problems with Vista it can probably be attributed to ****** hardware, drivers, etc. and not the OS itself.

[tjmm1234]

To all those who say Macs are too expensive, get a second job!!

[mmmmac]

Or just a job in general.

[Seaspray0]

For the same reason people don't buy lamburgini in great quantites, the price of the cheapest model is well beyond the average price that consumers pay for the average model. Yes, it's overpriced for the average person. I can find laptop PC's in the $600 range. You can't find an apple for under $1000. What you should be screaming is "they're over priced" and hope apple listens. Apple isn't going to break into mainstream computing until they start making them in the mainstream price range. That is what you want, isn't it?

[rintaromasuda]

It's nice to see Microsoft work in a flexible way like this. Yes, now everrbody, including Microsoft and Google, can't ignore iPhone.

[Seaspray0]

My biggest beef was that they couldn't sync with corporate email. They have since added microsoft active sync to the software.

[Perry_Clease]

"by SeizeCTRL December 14, 2008 2:12 PM PST
AppleProLeo is the exact reason why I hate most Apple users."

The reverse is also true.

[jinx101a]

Perhaps we should just say, zealots are the reason we learn to hate a lot of stuff instead of defending the zealots who are on our side. You can like something, and not be an insulting troll like AppleProLeo (or his counter parts from the MS world).

[AppleProLeo]

@jinx101a

Unlike all the PC Whinnies when I make an argument for Apple I do it with facts and reasoning explaining my argument. What is so wrong with that, why are you Whininess not counter arguing my points and prove me wrong if I am. Yet in all my post that has yet to happen.

Is my logic so hard for you all to except.

[thelemurking]

Silly little AppleProLeo... He's right, a "PC Whinnie" has never once in the history of history use anythings like facts, reason and logic in an argument. Those are apparently qualities you can only acquire when you purchase an Apple product. </sarcasm>

I have a job, I have an iMac and I will not be purchasing another Apple computer. I prefer to build my own PCs and trust me when I say, I use high quality stuff. As a gamer, Apple is way down on the list of preferred computers. Quad core, SLI, liquid cooled and overclocked... I'm perfectly content with my main PC as my iMac mostly gathers dust. For that matter, I use Ubuntu more than anything, but my gaming box was built for high performance with top dollar stuff.

So I guess I don't need to tell you where you can shove your rude little job comments you smug little pig.

[AppleProLeo]

Was I talking about "history of history" or was I talking about replies to my arguments?

You wont by another Apple computer because you prefer to build your own PC's - O...K and your point. Of course you wouldn't be buying an Apple if you like building your own PC as Apple doesn't sell components. Dah!

" As a gamer, Apple is way down on the list of preferred computers."

How stupid are you to buy an iMac as a gamer and expect it to meet your satisfaction. You could have saved your self by doing a little research before your purchase - but if you haven't figured it out already here's a little advice, the iMac is not a serious gaming machine. It's like buying a car designed for comfort and then complaining it doesn't handle like a sports car - get a clue.

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To those Tree Hugging hippies who play around with fixing their OS all day - get a life! (Editors' note: Personal attack removed.)

[TheStairMaster]

@applepro

you want logic? ok, i can oblige

Lemur was being sarcastic. its where hyperbole such as "the history of histories" is used to show a point to all but the most clueless morons who still cant understand it. As for the fact that he builds his own PC's, i think he was more using it as a reference to show that he's knowledgable in the field of computer engineering, undoubtedly more experienced than you.

And your argument that different computers are built for different tasks? Thats pretty much exactly what everyone has been saying to your mindless babbling. Way to take an argument as your own, twit. Strike that, clever twit.

And how does using a flavor of linux make you a hippy? Did i miss the memo? No, i just think you ran out of made up words like "whinnies" so you used the first title that carries a negative connotation that popped into your head. that or you looked up the word Ubuntu and found out it means "humanity" in an african dialect, and proceeded accordingly. Using linux is an economical alternative to Windows or OSX that runs very well, and is not broken. I've had less issues with my old tower running Ubuntu than my brand new Vista machine OR my macbook.

your move

[thelemurking]

Come on Leo, I thought you were witty enough to pick up on the sarcasm there.

As a rebuttal, I did not buy my iMac to play games on it. I thought that was sort of implied when I mentioned SLI and liquid cooled as that's not something you can do with an iMac. So to paraphrase you, how stupid are you to think I would have bought an iMac to liquid cool it, set up SLI, overclock in order to play a very limited amount of games?

I like building my own PC. I like having the freedom to pick what components to buy and build it to my liking. I've had absolutely no problems with Vista. NONE! The only crash it has had was with Nvidia drivers during install and that was a problem with Nvidia, not with Microsoft. But does that make Vista a problem child? I've seen my iMac crash on several occasions. Does that make the iMac bad? The majority of Windows problems are USER related.

Have you ever even used Ubuntu? There's absolutely nothing to fix with Ubuntu. But hey, if you are too stupid to maybe manually install or compile a driver... I guess then your little bubble wrap crayola world of OS X is perfect for you. But if you are feeling brave and think you might just have the intellect to install an OS on your own... you should try Ubuntu. It actually detects all your hardware. AMAZING I KNOW! Considering you come from a tiny little world walled up with very limited hardware choices... the rest of us are kind of used to our OS working with a wide source of hardware. So when a hippie OS can detect all sorts of hardware and install the correct drivers with next to no user interaction... then that's pretty impressive. It even does things like daily updates! I don't have to do anything other than deciding if I want to accept the updates and typing in my password. How I have time to live my life and work my job, manage to socialize, play games and such while spending that massive amount of time it takes to hug trees and fix my OS all day is beyond me. I mean in the 45 seconds it takes to do those daily updates if I so chose, I shutter to think what I am missing.

I am guessing you live a very insecure life based on how you bash those who "think differently" than you. Most trolls do live a sad life under a bridge. Next time I cross a river, I will be sure to throw you a sandwich.

[jinx101a]

This isn't even journalism. The article insinuates that Microsoft likes developing apps better for the iPhone. Microsoft, likes to make money, they're a software company. They also produce Office for the Mac... does that mean that they prefer programming for the Mac? Of course not... they prefer writing programs that enhance their bottom line, they're a business. Obviously, this shows that Microsoft recognizes that Apple has done well with the AppStore and they're looking to get in on it, if even for providing free software as advertising that they provide more than Windows products. Everything Microsoft or Apple related turns into a dramatic controversy spun by pseudo journalists on the Internet who are nothing but glorified opinion writers.

[Ilgaz]

On mobile space, they act very childishly. There isn't a single Symbian, J2ME application from Microsoft and yet combination of both nears a billion devices.

[Alex Alexzander]

Did Microsoft not write the Windows Live Search for Nokia? I honestly don't know, but it is available:

http://europe.nokia.com/link?cid=EDITORIAL_324858

Best,

Alex

[AppleManifesto]

To me the article does not insinuate that Microsoft likes developing apps better for the iPhone as much as it almost insinuates it is easier or has been easier to develop apps for the iPhone compared to Windows Mobile. And with the well equipped Apple iPhone SDK it might be. I mean we have heard of young people recently developing for the iPhone and making pretty good money and only spending a couple of weekends on the app. I mean, I wish I knew programming myself, I would try to develop an app for the iPhone myself :)

[Seaspray0]

AppleManifesto, feel free to develop an app for the iphone. Good luck being able to use it since apple controls what apps you can and cannot have.

[forever4now]

I think the main reason the non-Microsoft crowd (including myself) dislike Microsoft is because of the way they operate. Instead of them trying to win in the marketplace with innovative, quality products, like the rest of the industry, they deliver less innovative/quality products and use their monopoly position to force it down people's throats.

Perhaps things will start to change a bit, now that Google, Apple, RIM, the Linux/OSS community, etc. have demonstrated they can be formidable competitors.

I think it is great that Microsoft is delivering an app for the iPhone. I hope they deliver more. I hope they deliver apps for Android as well. Maybe they will even port Microsoft Office to Linux one day.

The best thing for Microsoft is to NOT have a monopoly position. Then they have to compete, like the rest of the companies in the industry. And who knows? If they begin to deliver innovative, quality products, they may even be able to regain respect from the non-Microsoft crowd.

[forever4now]

A sentence in a related Computerworld article reads:

"Microsoft uses a proprietary file format for its images and basically locks any interoperability with other companies' products."

I would like to retract any positive sentiment I may have projected toward Microsoft, in my previous comment. They still don't get it.

Computerworld article: http://blogs.computerworld.com/microsoft_iphone_app_ships_broken_and_proprietary_expectations_met#comment-123066

[sportsfan206]

My question to you is, why aren't you mad for the app store releasing it then? The reason for having an app store that reviews and stamps approval for any application is that they test it's functionality. So why then is this only Microsofts fault? They submitted an app, their first app, and apple told them thanks and put it up on the site. Shouldn't apple have said, it's needs some minor tweaking, please resubmit when it works on our product? Nope.

Oh yeah, by the way... The fact that Microsoft is so big, is the reason they cannot do what Apple does... bundle software. They tried that a couple years ago, they got hammered by the justice department. But Apple is allowed to bundle, because they don't hold a significant share of the market.

And lastly... Google, Apple, RIM, Linux/OSS are NOT formidable competitors. Stop confusing market percentage growth to overall market growth and market share. I know that "Linux market share grew 75% this year" looks great and is a good sound bite, but when your market share is 1%, the growth to 1.75% isn't that significant. Until someone has over a 20% share of the computer marketplace, I wouldn't call any of them that significant.

[spectator1]

It just keeps getting better with the iPhone 3G. I am excited to be a part of this technology.

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[tjmm1234]

And, like the IPone came out bug ridden...And, still dropping calls the same way I dropped Apple years ago.

[ZetaZeta_]

Are you sure it's dropping calls because of the iPhone, or because of AT&T's (warning: biased opinion) really crappy network?

[Seaspray0]

ZetaZeta, Based on 3G performance of other phones, it's the iphone that is dropping the call. The issue has been traced to the chipset used by the iphone. Apple denied there was a problem but released a patch when all their customers were complaining. I don't know how effective the software patch has been, but for my friends who have the iphone, reception is better but still not near as good as other 3G phones.

[sting7k]

I don't even see how this is Mac vs. Windows in all these posts. This is just Microsoft doing what Microsoft likes to do, make money. Yes this app is free, but it shows what they have working and their statement shows they recognize what is going on in the world of hardware. They make software, this came from Live Labs which has nothing to do with Windows. They should and can make apps for every platform and especially ones that are emerging and taking off, like the iPhone. They even said most mobile phones don't have a separate GPU like the iPhone, so the iPhone gives unique power to show off an app like this. And also show WM hardware makers what they should start putting in their devices.

[mikefly562]

I would like to see Microsoft release an iphone version of Office. It can be a "lite' version. but at least enough for simple editiing and other tasks. I figure a lite version for $50 would be so valuable and popular application.

[Vegaman_Dan]

Without copy and paset, it would be useless to produce such an application.

As it is, Apple would deny the application as it would duplicate some of the functionality of their built in Notes application in that you can enter text and save it for later.

[PaulMpanga]

People seem to forget that MS is a software company. It really has nothing to lose from making apps for the iphone, it's just another way of making money. It's really only us who are outside both companies that keep on arguing about which company is best, the fact is both companies earn more through working together than competing. Apple may be gaining ground on MS in the US but the rest of the world is still microcsoft.

[AlfredFrances]

All of you people hating on Apple and the iPhone are all jealous you do not have one.

[Seaspray0]

In your dreams. I have a phone that is just and only that... a phone. I do not have the desire to shell out the $$$$ required to have data service or phone capable of using it. I don't find the need... and I have used corporate phones for many years that had email and internet and am quite happy NOT to be tagged with one now. I don't want a smart phone, whether it is windows mobile, blackberry, or iphone. Then again, I'm not like most... I have money in the bank and don't have any debt.

[byronbbb]

OMG! Is it possible that all the engineers in Redmond is going to delete Windows from their hard drives and install OS X? Seriously, man, I don't think MSFT releasing a iPhone app portends anything nearly as OMG as you seem to think it does.

Whatever....

[thetech250]

if you can't beat them join them!!!

[SeizeCTRL]

is that why every time there's an iTunes update, Apple tries to sneak install Safari?

[someguynamedbob]

@thetech250
you just ate your words

[Sabroson]

Oh Please !

Arguing about Windows vs. Mac AGAIN??

GET A LIFE !!!!!

[bob_dango]

@Sabroson (and others, who made similar comments) Agreed. Most of these comments are beyond asinine.
If one likes Apple, one should buy Apple, if one likes Windows, one should buy...well, not Apple. Such decisions should not matter to anyone else. Also, one does not have to hate Apple to like Microsoft or vice versa. I like my Windows laptop. I also like my iPhone. Both are good products and neither has ever given me any problems.
Apple and Microsoft are both decent companies, with distinct pros and cons. Neither company, nor their customers, are "retarded" (such a witty epithet)

To everyone else: please ignore this even-handed, sane diatribe and return to the inane bickering.