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Comments on: Judge to RIAA: You can't sue over songs 'made available' via P2P

A federal judge in New York rejects the major record labels' claim that merely making songs available on Kazaa, with no evidence of actual copying taking place, violates the law.

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International law
by georgiarat April 1, 2008 6:22 PM PDT
My biggest concern is the argument made by the Bush
Administration that "makes available" applies because of an
international law. This is the same argument made by some of
the liberal justices of the Supreme Court in trying to overturn US
law. I believe we are on a slippery slope to losing our rights as a
nation just as we have lost control of our borders.
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uhh... treaties are the law
by drhamad April 1, 2008 7:00 PM PDT
You do realize that according to the U.S. Constitution, treaties ARE
the law of the land, right? You seem to think that we're giving
something up by some process because of treaties - we're not.
They've always been the law of the land.
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Following RIAA's logic...
by MadKiwi April 1, 2008 7:24 PM PDT
...it would appear that libraries would be guilty of copyright infringement because they typically have photocopiers available to the public who can then use them to copy books from the library...
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However...
by blueshore April 1, 2008 10:08 PM PDT
Libraries also set a nice set of signs warning users that copying
certain materials might be illegal and the users are responsible to
any copyright infringement. That's where fair use came in, which
limits which amount of duplication is acceptable. Yet the libraries
make a nice profit with those machines... but we are not seeing
every publisher getting their "fair" share (yet).
Eliminate the RIAA
by assclownbush April 1, 2008 11:54 PM PDT
The biggest music pirates are RIAA employees. Even the late MPAA chief Jack Valenti's own family was busted sharing files on Kazaa. Of course, this was swept under the rug by Valenti's lawyers because it would've undermined the MPAA. Face facts, the ones who are suing are the real enemies of the media industry when it comes to file sharing.
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RIAA isn't the primary problem
by nicmart April 2, 2008 5:32 AM PDT
Equitable copyright law has been destroyed by bought politicians.
Industries can't exploit laws that don't exist.
The penalties are medieval
by nicmart April 2, 2008 5:46 AM PDT
Victor Hugo could write a compelling book about the penalties
for media sharing. If you steal $6 work of milk and bread, you
are likely to receive a sentence commensurate with the value of
those products. But if you download a single CD with a retail
value of $13 you may be penalized thousands of dollars.
Reports say that RIAA is trying to convince (i.e., buy) congress
to raise the penalty for copying a multi-artist collection CD to
over $1 million. The penalties for sharing are similarly absurd.

The problem isn't so much the letter of the law as it is the life-
destroying penalties for actions that, in many cases, have very
slight effects. And let us not overlook the new report claiming
that not a penny of the $400 million raised in lawsuits by the
RIAA has been distributed to the artists.
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Very good point
by Dr_Zinj April 3, 2008 6:50 AM PDT
Intent to distribute should have a very strong bearing on fines. It's one thing to inadvertently make files available, it's something else entirely to do it deliberately.

The problem with the milk and bread analogy is that unless you are Jesus of Nazreth, you can't feed millions of people with just a loaf of bread and a carton of milk. Files can be copied ad infinitum.

Which comes back to the problem of how many files were downloaded.
"Make Available"
by Nchantim April 2, 2008 8:07 AM PDT
Then, when RIAA pays enougth to have laws changed so that anyone who "makes available" a CD or record for copying, then they can sue all the libraries in the USA, also.
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Make available???
by mikelinpa April 2, 2008 2:54 PM PDT
Every one of us can sue the record companies for publishing CDs and making them available for copying. The record companies want radio stations to play their music to popularize it. Isn't that making it available?

Personally, I think the record companies should stop making and selling recordings, then they would stop losing money from copying and downloading. They'll save it all! What will they do with all that money?

(They just don't get it, do they?)
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International law rules
by NoVista April 2, 2008 3:33 PM PDT
except when it's inconvenient.

Now that the Bush administration has gone on record (pun) by supporting international law and treaties, by extension they must accept all the rest.

Geneva Convention, and so on. That'd be an 'oops!'
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Copyright Solution
by dmskoglund April 2, 2008 10:12 PM PDT
The solution to all the discussion over copyrights is to make possession of unauthorized copies illegal and punishable. Then we must define legal copies and develop ways of identifying such -- a simple technological task -- right??
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by columbia1 May 16, 2008 9:26 PM PDT
The text of the brief clearly shows that the Bush Administration has never endorsed the making available theory. Rather, it merely notes that it exists in international treaties and that any adverse ruling may affect those treaties, not U.S. law. They may one day make an argument for it, but they have not done so yet. Also, one of the leading making available cases centers on a library that allowed a copyrighted book to remain on its shelves after the copyright owner had complained. The RIAA actually heavily relies on the library analogy to support their making available theory.
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