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Comments on: For $9,995, your car could run on sugar and tequila

Meet E-Fuel, a company that's created a home ethanol plant so that your car can run on biofuels you create in your backyard. Does it work? The first customers will learn later this year.

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by chad.armstrong May 8, 2008 4:54 PM PDT
umm, thanks, I think I'll drink last weeks tequila ;) Kidding, machine looks cool and useful.
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by 42istheanswer May 8, 2008 5:18 PM PDT
Because it seems so useful and innovative, it will never happen. This type of stuff will get used only after the last drop of oil has been squeezed out of the Earth AND the oil companies own the patents and profits to this device. They'll probably make it subscription based and lease the device to you. Suckers.
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by LastAvailableName May 8, 2008 6:15 PM PDT
I don't know about this...I can get an awful lot of sugar and tequila to fuel MYSELF for ten grand.
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by strategynode May 8, 2008 7:46 PM PDT
I think of how America responded during World War II to the call to recycle and save for the war effort - specifically, the women would save their cooking oil in a tin, then take it to the local butcher who would pay her a nominal fee. This grease in turn would be used by the military for making bombs, if I'm not mistaken. The point being, America rallied for the war effort. Why isn't America rallied for, well, America.

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by SmokinWrek May 8, 2008 8:40 PM PDT
Does this mean that if I use this, I'll have a worm in the bottom of my tank?
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by WineMaker5000 May 8, 2008 8:43 PM PDT
Those of us with passion for wine making, it takes on the average, the equivalent of 17 lbs of sugar to make the equivalent of 1 gallon of pure ethanol. This is based on actual measurement of average normal fermentation, and not theoretical calculations. Yeasts and other microorganisms will consume part of the sugar and not turn them into alcohol. Some alcohol will also volatilize, enhanced by the carbon dioxide that is produced alongside.

Sugar at retail is $22.10 per 50 lb bag, from Costco. And that comes to $0.4422/lb retail price. So it would cost me $7.52 per gallon of ethanol. Add to it the electricity consumed in the refining process. Not counting my cost of hauling the 50 lb bag from the store, loading it up to the device. The $7.52 is pretty too steep a price to pay for a gallon of ethanol. The $7.52 is cheap, however, compared to a gallon of Bacardi 151.


And for $10K device... A very good distillation setup that is available from retail, right now, can be had for $299 with free shipping and handling. These are available from Brewhaus.
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by Commander_Spock May 8, 2008 9:38 PM PDT
How about the use of "MOLASSES" for making ETHANOL! I grew up nearby a sugar cane plantation and actually served an apprenticeship in the sugar industry; and, guess what was one of the primary "feed stock" for the production of the "ALCOHOL" that was produced next door to where the sugar was produced - "MOLASSES"! Duh!
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by willdryden May 9, 2008 2:20 AM PDT
It would be better if it made butanol.

http://www.butanol.com/
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by vanbrua May 9, 2008 8:50 AM PDT
I think this is a very bad idea.

1) If commercial ethanol plants are not able to break even without subsidies, why would a small scale personal version be able to?

2) As pointed out by WineMaker5000, sugar is very expensive in America. That is why ethanol producers use corn instead of sugar. It turns out that it is artificially expensive because of huge tariffs.

Molasses is no cheaper since it is mostly sugar and water. The increased weight of the water makes it more expensive to ship. It is used to produce rum because of theextra flavours in molasses.

3) America does not and cannot economically produce sugar. Increased sugar production increases Amazon rain forest destruction and dependence on foreign sugar. Really no advantage over oil.

4) Fermentation stinks. It produces all sorts of nasty smells and toxic byproducts. Everyone hates it when an ethanol plant is built in their town because of the smell. See the diagram of the device on their website. It includes a waste port and two vents.

5) I would worry about the safety of having a large tank of volatile fuel sitting around. What if it gets a leak, catches on fire, or tips over?
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by maxwell2755 May 9, 2008 11:22 AM PDT
Nice idea. However, there is not a town in the U.S.A. that would allow fuel mfg in a residentially zoned district. This is why we have residential zoning, to keep away and buffer "industrial" land uses. Ever heard of NIMBY? To promote home brewing with such a volatile fuel is not ethical without the caveate of letting your readers know this is ILLEGAL.
However, if one were to live in an Industrial Zoned District, and home brew, I'm sure this would be more legal. I just would not buy a residential home next to an ethanol manufacturer!
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by steinpiaz May 9, 2008 12:58 PM PDT
An interesting idea but really just an overpriced gimmick. The home wine maker went into some of the issues, but as a home distiller would know there are many other issues as well. First is that if you ferment a sugar solution up to 15-20% ethanol, it will take you about 1 week using a special yeast & nutrient mix (something like Turboyeast). This will give you about 1 gallon ethanol per five gallons of brew. The next problem is that may be plenty clean for drinking, but you can't put it into a car. To do that you have to "dry" the ethanol. Ethanol, as it comes from a still, is only about 90% to at best 96.48% as ethanol is hydroscopic and aseotropic which makes it impossible to get to 100% purity (please look these up as I don't have time to explain, but it is interesting) . The rest is water that must be removed chemically by further processing before the ethanol is useful as fuel.

To make a long story short, from the looks of the unit, I would suspect it is capable of producing 1 to 2 gallons of ethanol per week. Even ignoring the cost of the sugar (which may or may not be cheaper then corn) and the cost of energy to distill the "hootch." I would think 1 or 2 gallons per week would not be enough to really make a dent in most peoples gas usage. As for cost of the unit, you can get a distillation column off ebay for about $200, put that on a used $50 beer keg and heat it with a $30 gas ring from Walmart and have the same thing at a much cheaper price. I suspect this is a very cool way to make vodka if you don't mind paying $10,000 for the best still in the neighborhood, but I hardly see it taking the world by a storm.
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by vanbrua May 9, 2008 4:13 PM PDT
I don't see any reason to believe that they cannot produce ethanol at the rate quoted since they have a huge 250 gallon fermentation tank. There really is no problem with having 5% water in your fuel. E100 is actually only 95% ethanol and 5% water. It is a problem with petroleum fuel because oil and water don't mix and if the fuel pump gets to a patch of only water, the engine stops. A 80-20% ethanol-water mix would probably run just fine.
by MD_Willington February 3, 2009 9:17 AM PST
Ah jeez the gol darn revenuers will be all over ma fancy new still...

The "license" is a tax stamp from the BATFE...
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