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completely. You're covering the MTV/MySpace Super dialogue,
what could be more correct than a description of the online result
for your piece here. And the title must be: Ron Paul Win The
MTV/MySpace debate.
For more proof of media bias: AP do not even mention Ron Paul
more than one short paragraph. And AP twist RP's statement.
His comment was: "Young people understand it because it's not complex."
I believe that, if you inserted in your transcript a comma after "it" that the sentence might read differently; specifically, Dr. Paul stated that "young people understand monetary policy" and then rambled-on a bit (as he does from time-to-time) using "because" as an interjection (when others might say "uh" or "like"), and continued with "it's not complex."
I do not believe Dr. Paul meant any disrespect to young people. In fact, if anything, his comment acknowledges the clear-thinking and thoughtful questioning displayed by many of the young people in the audience this evening.
After outshining all the other participants, I believe your "faux-pas" analysis is inappropriate; it makes you appear to be digging (deep) to find some -- ANY -- some flaw in a truly superior presentation.
Get a freaking job, raise a freakin' family before you start thinking you know more about life than others.
F'n punks.
to spin this like he offended us, because that is not the truth and
only makes you look bad. Young voters everywhere (and people
everywhere) know that the media has been ganging up on Ron
Paul. So, just so you know, you're not fooling anyone and we know
your game.
Ron Pual in 2008!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
She had to get her personal agenda in the piece somewhere.
Huge support? Well, he beat clueless Thomson a few times, I guess that means something. Not sure what.
I wish he could win the nomination, he is a bigger hypocrite and idiot then Romney or McCain are.
i also don't understand how ANYONE who is against racism can support a racist candidate such as paul, or how anyone can support a candidate like paul who is in favor of further privatizing an already for-profit healthcare system, or how anyone can support paul as an anti-worker's rights posterboy. is there something cool about the fact that he wants to abolish minimum-wage laws?
where is the appeal of any of this? someone please explain.
Young people don't have memories that go all the way back to 1988 when Ron Paul had racist newsletters that glorified the Nazi party. All of Ron Paul's followers are the Neo-Nazi Youth recruiting more young people for Ron Paul.
In 1988, Ron Paul was running for President for the Libertarian Party, not the fricking Nazi Party.
As for those 'newsletters,' why not let the young people read that story for themselves:
The "Newsletters" FAQ 1.2
http://groups.google.ca/group/alt.politics.libertarian.creative/msg/7be3287984932bfa
this is a blog, not a news article. i'm sure if you had a blog (and you might) that your biases also would be all over it. i thought that was the point of blogs - for someone to share their thoughts and ideas on any given subject(s).
The fact is that Ron Paul doesn't get young people. Young people somehow "get" him. Sadly, this includes white nationalists, 9/11 conspiracy folks, and anarchists. Young people know the least about politics no matter what they themselves try to say and hype.
There is no media conspiracy. Ron Paul is beloved by an overall group of nutjobs who think they know what is better for us all than we do ourselves.
What these guys fail to realize that Paul's economic ideas were in place in the 1800's and there is a reason they are long gone. It isn't due to the illuminati, Bilderbergs, or zionists.
Ron Paul has created a cult of personality around him. I personally can't wait until Super Tuesday passes and we don't have to be flooded with pleas to give money to a candidate that is a failure.
Check Ron Paul's accomplishments in congress and you'll also find how effective he has been there: 0 pieces of legislation passed that he has created, 0 pieces that he has co-sponsored, with only 5 of a couple hundred actually making it to the floor to vote on (they failed).
Ron Paul supporters don't want truth. These people will not join the libertarian party after Paul is done. This "movement" has happened before and it failed.
headquarters of the forces of Old and Evil.
We will probably see many more such attempts, similar to
attack ads on TV (but not costing the evildoers anything) as
time goes on. There are many parasites who would be
devastated for Ron Paul to win, and their cries of protest will be
louder the closer it gets.
Even if Dr. Paul does not win the Election, the effect he has had
on America is a great thing. Many young people are waking up
from their apathy to do something about the welfare of our
once-great nation. The backwards policies of Bush have ruined
our country's good name around the world and dumped our
economy into the garbage. But now that people are hearing
the message of common sense from Ron Paul, they will not
likely forget soon. He is out there telling us what's wrong, and
exactly what we can do about it. America, never forget. 9/11
was no excuse for war, as history has already shown. The CIA
already gave up looking for Bin Laden, because he was on their
payroll - Google the name "Tim Osman" for info on that. It was
Bin Laden's CIA code name when he worked for them. I will not
personally say that 9/11 was an inside job - I have no proof,
and I don't know for sure. But we were lied to 935 times by
Bush and his top advisors - a matter of public record.
9/11 is no excuse for our Constitution to be fogotten! This is
the most important of Dr. Paul's messages, and we shall not
forget!
Claiming Ron Paul is supported by 'nut jobs' is a typical ad hominum attack showing your anti-intellectualism.
As far as your attacks on his economics ideas I don't see your qualifications to comment on economics or any legitimate arguments against what he says. I have a doctorate in economics and a PHD in common sense and I strongly agree with what Ron Paul says about the economy.
Your arguments only make sense to yourself.
The fact is that this country ran on balanced budgets under these economic ideas up until world war 1. Dr. Paul does not preach conspiracy. He preaches freedom and a strict view of the Constitution. I guess there lay the problem. Most people like yourself want bigger government, and less adherence to the Constitution. The reason they are gone is easy.... people like JP Morgan and Rockefeller weren't making the big decisions.
BTW - You dont get re-elected to congress 10 years in a row for being a lame duck. The movement failed before? Its because sheeple like you cant get their head out of their arse and see what's really going on. If Ron is lying, why is the dollar falling? why is our government a bloated sack?
If it was such a great system, why wouldn't one nation have this kind of thing in place?
With Ron Paul, he just wants a return to 1787. Why not bring slavery back as well? It was also legal when this country was founded. After the comments made in Ron Paul literature about blacks, I bet he thinks that would probably be a good idea as well.
Ron Paul is a racist, and so are 50% of his following. (The other 50% are non-Americans.)
jerk... The gold standard didn't fail during the depression. The
useless Fed failed, open a book. That is an erroneous statement.
Private banks control this country. Why do you think Madison said, "History records that the money changers have used every form of
abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their
control over governments by controlling money and it's issuance".
If we are on the gold standard there is not inflation. I'm guessing you
like inflation or you don't really know what it is... I feel sorry for you.
You sound like you were brought up in the government run public
school system.
Dr. Paul is far from a racist. You can't just throw that around. His
supporters are educated and know why they are voting.
Let me get this straight. Your non American if you defend the
Constitution, defend liberty, defend freedom, and vote to lower taxes?
Your sir are made the worst comments in the world...
Mahatma Gandhi, ..... First they ignore you, then they laugh at you,
then they fight you, then you win.
I have heard him say that we were taken off the gold standard,
that it was the start of inflation, and that he'd like to abolish
the Fed. Reserve. The Federal Reserve Bank is a private bank,
not owned or controlled by the US government. They create
money out of ink, and loan it to the government. They charge
interest. They want paid back. Why not get rid of them? What
good do they serve?
QUOTE: "After the comments made in Ron Paul literature about
blacks, I bet he thinks that would probably be a good idea as
well. Ron Paul is a racist, and so are 50% of his following. (The
other 50% are non-Americans.)"
Do you have a link, or a quote, or anything to back up this
statement? A racist with a 50% non American (non white?)
base. Now I'm really impressed! Where did you make up those
numbers?
By the way, I can think of MANY things that were better in 1787 regarding our government. Can't you?
Lampie
--> Ron Paul was voted as one of the 50 most effective congressmen. Ron Paul, just like many in congress, may not have had many legislative victories. But, at least he voted against things his constituents didn't want. And, historically he hasn't changed much.
--> Ron Paul supporters come from all walks of life. We are not just _kids_ without jobs, and family. We are not just poor, middle class, or affluent. And, we are not _nut_jobs_.
--> And, just for the record, the reason the gold standard was abandonded was not because it didn't work.
Take a quick read.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_standard
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_currency
Oh, and BTW, the Great Depression was brought about by the poor fiscal policies of the banking establishment and their predatory lending practices. It wasn't the gold standard that had a conflict of interest. It was the banking industry.
Maybe you should stop thinking you are an expert on all these things. Because clearly you aren't. But, that is O.K. Ignorance isn't a crime. And, you have a choice to be ignorant or not. We all have that choice.
Not all Ron Paul supporter believe that he can bring back the gold standard (or would want to at this point) . . . get rid of the income tax . . . create shorter term limits. But we sure would like to see the government be a smaller, more organized, more fiscally responsible entity. Everyone should want that. And, we believe he can do that.
Maybe you have missed the whole point of the Ron Paul campaign. The message of Ron Paul is not about Ron Paul. It is about our country. It is about the future of our country. You can bash Ron Paul all you want. But, his message is sound. He isn't wishing anything bad for anyone. His goals should be our goals. So, if you aren't a Ron Paul supporter, maybe you should ask yourself why not.
Or, you could go back to spewing half-truths on CNet TalkBack.
Ron Paul draws in support from anti-Jew and white nationalists.
Ron Paul draws support from anarchists.
Ron Paul draws support from 9/11 conspiracy whackos. (Hard to find a Ron Paul bumper sticker w/o the inside job one next to it.)
The remaining Ron Paul supporters want Marijuana legalized.
These people should all be picked up and placed on the island of misfits.
remains that Dr. Paul is the most strongly principled of the
candidates. He is the "taxpayer's best friend" and wants true
Equality, not racism.
I believe you are probably a Giuliani-employed false-info
hitman. If not Rudy the Snake, then some similar slime.
You must be afraid of Ron Paul's popularity, to spend so much
effort to hurt his good name (with BS).
One of the identifying hallmarks of the big-corporate-money
influence is the false information campaigns. They seek to
further the military industrial complex agenda of totalitarian
social control through mitigation of Constitutional rights.
These 3 postings by "ronpaul2024" reek of their stink. Beware,
your days are numbered - Truth will always rise to the surface.
Where will YOU be sending U.S.?
To MADAGASCAR?
For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
lol
Lampie
If you want to use a rebate to stimulate the economy, fine. Just target the rebate to eliminate debt.
1. Credit card companies must be required to allow a person to lock a credit card so no more purchases can be made. When a card is locked, interest rates are automatically reduced. Locking a credit card can not have a negative effect on ones credit rating.
2. If a tax payer chooses to lock a credit card and is willing to pay more than the minimum payment, The government pays the tax payer a rebate in the form of a matching payment on the card of the amount above the minimum payment.
3. Matching payments should also be made on mortgage payments above the minimum payment.
Yes, the rebate payments will increase the national debt, however each dollar of government debt will result in two dollars less American debt. This is a very good deal.
Look at his past, especially his past comments. He is pro-business(to a dangerous extent), racist, and cruel.
Just because his put on a sheep costume to play to the massive distrust of government that Bush caused doesn't make him so.
Good thing he can't get more than 3 or 4% of the vote at the primaries.
you, then they fight you, then you win. ...
Would you clarify your pro business comment. You somehow
made a positive into a negative. You clearly know nothing about
Dr. Paul
He is the only person up there who knows history and can
answer a real question without a political answer.
Hate the truth all you want but this country won't change
direction with an Obama or McCain... Minor adjustments don't
limit the government.
"Government is not reason; it is not eloquence; it is force! Like a
fire, it is dangerous like a servant to the a fearful master." -
George Washington
researched most of the web sites people direct me to as
evidence that Ron Paul is a racist, dishonest, or whatever other
negative thing they want to throw out there.
Unfortunately, I don't think it has much substance. It's just
more political mud-flinging, the likes of which we could find on
ALL of the candidates running if we look in the right places.
The FACTS show, Ron Paul is a doctor (an OBGYN). Anyone who
completed med. school and succeeded as a doctor is a person
who illustrates intelligence, a passionate care for other human
beings, and ability to function under pressure. All of these
things seem like good qualities to have in a leader.
Furthermore, he has served as a congressman as far back as a
term around 1976-77. This is a man with plenty of previous
political experience, and a voting track record that's easy to see
- if one is so inclined to research it.
I don't really believe that being "pro business" is a bad thing, or
that it's even possible to REALLY be "pro business to a
dangerous extent". Business is the KEY to making this nation
function. If you don't have businesses, you don't have jobs. The
PROBLEM is, it's become fashionable to bash businesses,
because many large, high-profile businesses have been run by
corrupt individuals at the top. This is NOT good for business at
all. (Ask MCI Worldcom, for example, or most of the former
employees at Enron.) Corrupt CEOs just bleed companies dry,
rather than doing the things that make businesses succeed.
There's a BIG difference between being "pro business", and being
able to be bought by corrupt CEOs who are in it only for their
own personal gain.
The racist thing? It's a pretty weak argument, at best. Do we
really know any of our other rich, white leaders weren't really
racists themselves? Probably didn't matter much, since they
realized it was "career suicide" to speak openly or take actions
making that obvious. Ron Paul will be no different in that
regard. Many of the supposedly "racist" statements Paul has
been quoted as making are taken way out of context, though. (I
read up on some of those.) People ignore half of his explanation
for WHY he says something controversial, and they just home in
one half of what he really said.
Ron Paul is a loon and his supporters are nutjobs.
Debate about Ron Paul is really mute. The "revolution" is dead no matter how many idiots cry on the busiest street corners these potheads gather.
that. It's just main stream media that likes to twist, twist, twist. GO
RON PAUL 2008!!
Paul's supporters are. I really do -it's admirable when ever
anyone puts as much thought and energy into the world around
them as Paul's supporter's do.
But... (yes you knew that was coming)... we have the government
we have because <gasp>sometimes it does the right
thing</gasp> -and people vote for that. Having a government
that does nothing leads to Enron, Katrina, 911, mine collapses,
poisonous cat food, etc. Real problems with real consequences.
Many of us happen to like government that at least makes a
token effort to reign in the forces that would harm us as a
people.
Libertarianism is great on paper. "Hey -wouldn't it be great if
this was like 1787 and the government wasn't involved in our
lives?" Yes -great if you happened to own 3000 acres in coastal
Georgia with more slaves than you could shake a stick at. It
wasn't so hot to be a slave I'm told. Or a poor sharecropper with
tuberculous, or a conscript in the army, or an indian being killed
by that conscript, etc. Hopefully, you get my point. It sort of
reminds me of that bit in "The Life Of Brian" where the Judeans
sit around lamenting all the things that the Romans brought
them -roads, education, medicine, sanitation etc, but apart from
that "what have they *really* brought us"?
One thing that struck me in particular in the previous writer's
comments was this statement:
> "Ron Paul doesn't think the internet should be regulated."
Well guess what? AT&T will gladly do that for you if the
government doesn't. And I guarantee you it will *not* be to your
benefit.
Government regulation, while often onerous and bureaucratic, is
usually better for consumers than unfettered corporate control
of our lives. I think many of Ron Paul's supporters would be
better off putting their energy into speaking out against
corporate influence on government regulation, than against
government regulation in principle.
"Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word:equality. The difference:while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude" A. Toqueville
You are all good servants to the wills of foreign governments and privileged domestic alliances.
Democrats historically are anti-abolitionists. Lincoln was a Republican and then sold out to the corporations and suspended Habeas Corpus.
For all of you altruistic helpers. Why wait for the state to pay you to help others. Aren't you comfortable with making self-sacrifices without reporting your activities to the government. Oh, no one will think you are altruistic then; I get it. Right cause,wrong pockets brothers and sisters.
Liberty= Property, Consent, Contract, and Privacy.
Know it or loose it.
- Shame for him
- by Dr. B February 3, 2008 11:29 PM PST
- Shame that it seems the youth vote seems to be about the only
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- Has beat other candidate
- by RonPaulRules February 4, 2008 6:10 AM PST
- If he's not serious, then why did he beat some of the other candidates in some caucuses?
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Showing 2 of 3 pages (158 Comments)vote that he 'gets', considering they seem to have a history of
voting in lower numbers than the rest of the country, which is
(sadly) pretty low to begin with. Considering that the internet
does not have a solid record considering these sorts of thing,
Mr. Paul doesn't seem to have a whole lot going for him.
And this is coming from someone who fits under the category of
the young voter, one that he doesn't 'get'. Perhaps because I
don't 'get' him.
Frankly, I've never seen Ron as a serious candidate. Sure, he may
consider himself a serious candidate, but ever since I first heard
of him, it's like he came out of left field, and since then, I've
never seen him as anything more than a meme. Kind of like a
political version of the Chuck Norris jokes.