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Comments on: iPhone not sweet on 'neat'

Sometimes technology goes a little too far; the iPhone's character prediction software offers a fine example of that.

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by mediocrates--2008 May 20, 2009 6:18 AM PDT
Just the latest episode of "Steve Knows Best."
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by gforce2016 May 20, 2009 8:33 AM PDT
wow that is Neat. Doesn't work for me either on my 3G. Have to backspace to get a "t"
by pjscullion May 20, 2009 7:10 AM PDT
My iPod Touch 1st gen does it too. There are some words that will not type correctly... though I guess I need to start keeping better records of which do and which don't.

It's also a pain to try to click that tiny X when it "predicts" a word for you. I've tried to cancel Apple's spelling correction on the fly a number of times, and the vast majority of that time I seem to be missing the X, which makes the iPod replace the word as it normally does. Meaning I have to start all over.

Backspace OR predictive text. Pick one! I'm more than comfortable with my Katana's T9 predictive text, but if they put a dedicated backspace button on the keyboard I'm much more likely to use it instead of predictive.
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by MacEwenP May 20, 2009 7:13 AM PDT
This is a silly post. I just achieved "neat" w/ one re-try. Granted it misspelled it the first time, but I had no trouble after that.
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by Peter N. Glaskowsky May 20, 2009 10:44 AM PDT
Well, that's the point-- you didn't misspell it. The iPhone decided that no matter how perfectly centered your finger was on that "t", it wasn't going to give you a "t". Not good.
by sgva May 20, 2009 7:21 AM PDT
I get the same behavior. After typing "nea" I can hold my finger down on the "T", and it shows "R". Then I can slide my finger around, and it will light up each letter, except "E" and "T". Why does it allow 'neax' but not 'neat'? Sounds like a error in a dictionary.
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by May 20, 2009 7:28 AM PDT
My phone does the same thing with "mattress" - it won't let me type the letter "r" after the two "t"s in that combination. Glad to see it's not just me. I wish we could save words into the dictionary like you can do with word or outlook. And better yet, have the ability to override the predict-a-text.
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by irondog1970 May 20, 2009 7:32 AM PDT
As a first gen iPhone user, I do experience this problem. But the problem is not exclusively to the iPhone.

OpenOffice uses predictive text as I type, and it is even more annoying than Microsoft Word's AutoCorrect feature. But that is another matter?

As for cell phone operation, I had cell phones that used the T9 interface. I can't count the number of times I've typed "I'm good" and I meant to say "I'm home." With T9, the default word for 4663 is "good" and not "home".

I'm still waiting on IBM to develop thought recognition software which would know to type "neat" when you mean "neat," and to not launch an application when you click on the icon next to the one you really wanted to open instead.
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by Alan4ik May 20, 2009 7:34 AM PDT
I have typed it 10 times. It was perfectly Neat.
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by Peter N. Glaskowsky May 20, 2009 10:45 AM PDT
Interesting. Which iPhone do you have, and which OS is it running? Is it an English system?
by mattburley1993 May 20, 2009 1:19 PM PDT
Hi,

I typed it 5 times on my First GEN iPod Touch (jailbroken 2.2) into mail and it worked fine? Apparently the keys resize depending on how much you use them. Maybe its because a lot of people don't use the letter 'T'?
by Peter Glaskowsky May 21, 2009 10:33 PM PDT
Not much call for the letter T? But it's the single most popular consonant in the language!

I dunno. You can see a lot of other people here reproduced the problem. I wonder if something in the jailbreaking process disables this feature? Can't imagine how or why, though.
by jacobbradylee July 19, 2009 4:18 PM PDT
I tried it a few times myself in Messages, and it worked perfectly every time. No problems whatsoever. (I have an iPhone 3G running the 3.0 software).
by JimBugs May 20, 2009 7:44 AM PDT
Look more carefully at your keyboard. abcf is not allowed because the f key is beside the d key. It would be hard to accidentally type abcm but I'll bet it doesn't allow abcs. Similary e and t are the keys that surround r. fisj isn't allowed because the j is beside the h - but I'll bet that fisx is allowed.
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by Peter N. Glaskowsky May 20, 2009 10:46 AM PDT
No, it allows abcs, as I said in the piece.
by alfonsopulido1 May 20, 2009 7:57 AM PDT
My first gen iPhone (updated to software version 2.2.1) won't let me type "neat" without using the backspace.
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by TommyTuTone May 20, 2009 8:00 AM PDT
Thanks for awakening my mind to such an annoying little bug. I hadn't noticed before and all was good with the world. Now because of this post I am doomed to clenching my teeth each time I type on my IPHONE keyboard. I hope you're ready to pay my dentist bill pal.
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by Peter N. Glaskowsky May 20, 2009 10:47 AM PDT
I'm sure there will soon be an iPhone accessory to solve that problem for you.
by RajiviPhone May 20, 2009 8:14 AM PDT
1st Generation iPhone 2.2:

Trying to type 'neat' always results in 'nea' without the ability to type 't'.

I've also noticed I have the same behavior when trying to type my friend's name with possessive-s:
' Alex' ' will then only allow me to type 'r' and not 's' until after I backspace.
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by Perry_Clease May 20, 2009 8:26 AM PDT
Check for parallax between your dominant eye and the finger with which you are typing. You might need to apply some Kentucky windage.
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by Peter N. Glaskowsky May 20, 2009 10:48 AM PDT
Nope, it won't accept some characters no matter where your finger lands. That's shown most clearly by the tap-hold-drag test.
by liupingtwo May 20, 2009 8:27 AM PDT
With 3.0 beta, I can type "near" and "neat" correctly every time, well at least 5 times in a row each, I stopped after that... ;)
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by Peter N. Glaskowsky May 20, 2009 10:48 AM PDT
Okay, that's excellent news. Sounds like this problem won't be with us much longer. Thanks!
by myles taylor May 20, 2009 8:35 AM PDT
My iPhone does it with some words but not others. For instance, when I type Caitlin it always puts an "r" in place of the "t". However, after deleting it and trying again, it allows me to push the "t". It's so weird.
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by andmore May 20, 2009 8:36 AM PDT
No, it's not all dictionary, it's also key location. The iPhone's type correction logic tries (not always successfully) to supply the right word.

"neay " becomes "neat" because the "y" is so close to the "t"

Me, I can't tell the difference between the iPhone's misspellings and my own.
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by slapppy May 20, 2009 9:28 AM PDT
C/NET and this writer are really reaching on this one for click baiting.
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by Peter N. Glaskowsky May 20, 2009 10:50 AM PDT
Woah, tough crowd, tough crowd.

But seriously, folks, if we can prevent just ONE other consumer product from making the same mistake in its predictive typing code, it'll all be worth it.
by groupeone May 20, 2009 10:20 AM PDT
Oh my GOD! I'm devastated! Devastated I say! All this time I thought we were living in a perfect world. And now this. What am I to do? I have to backspace once? This utterly disrupts my view of the Universe. And all this time, I thought Windows Vista was perfect...
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by Perry_Clease May 20, 2009 12:08 PM PDT
Well then turn off Auto-Correction.

Settings - General - Keyboard
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by Peter N. Glaskowsky May 20, 2009 4:58 PM PDT
Did you try this? Did it work?
by josmor May 20, 2009 1:43 PM PDT
The problem can be on your fingers... I have no such a problem.
Any interest on making bad publicity on Apple?
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by Peter N. Glaskowsky May 20, 2009 5:01 PM PDT
Did you try to reproduce the conditions I described? This isn't a question of finger placement.

Of course I don't have any interest in bad publicity for Apple. Shame on you for even asking.
by Hellcat May 20, 2009 4:53 PM PDT
Wow someone who actually seems to understand the way I think about Apple. "we'll do what WE think the people want and tell them its the best and they'll believe it" Seems to work for them, but then again I don't have a mac or iphone and neither do any of my friends.
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by montex66 May 27, 2009 7:33 PM PDT
That is the saddest thing I've heard all day. No Mac? No iPhone? I weep for you.
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