Comments on: Leopard will open the Mac OS X floodgates (and embarrass Microsoft)

Microsoft is in trouble. And with the release of Leopard, it looks like it will only get worse for the software giant.

[reallyright]

Apple will never beat Microsoft

Apple will never beat Microsoft in the business world because its Soviet style of marketing won't work. Microsoft OS will work with millions of hardware configurations while Apple has one of every device. Its their way or the highway. Their business model leaves little room for capitalism or innovation. Oh, and contrary to the quote you used, I did buy a laptop specifically to run Vista.

[DocSnerdley]

poppycock!

Your attempt to intimidate, destroy debate by using the words "Soviet" and
the like are attempts to deflect from functionality to marketing strategy.
Please, learn the difference before embarrassing yourself. I am happy that
your laptop runs Vista. Now I can hack into it ever faster because when it
happens, it takes you 4 yrs to delete all those nasty popup windows in order
to defeat the hack. Believe me, I went to a bakery and sat and with a friend
invaded 3 Vista laptops in seconds. It was not only fun, but frightening. All
done on a Mac. BTW, Apple is beating MS in the business world. Ask leading
analysts who they thing has a better and brighter future.

[DoubleU82]

MS is way ahead of everyone else

Obviously you are very prejudice against Microsoft and their operating
system. That is understandable since it looks like you are a hardcore die hard
Apple fanatic. Weather you like it or not MS still runs 90% of the world's PC's.
Either it be Vista, XP, or 95. Leopard didn't bring anything new to the table. I
run a Mac myself and I am very disappointed with Leopard and wanna go
back to Vista now. Spaces? Time Machine? Quick Look? Cover Flow? give me a
break. Give me something real I can look at and use. Plus, yes I have a
Macbook. But guess what my desktop at home is running? Vista. You know
why? Because Apple will not be able to market a customizable mainstream
desktop and still make it an "Apple". They don't have the mid range everyone
wants desktop in their lineup. What Steve Jobs said about the products being
software in a pretty box is total crap. If the box is not viable then am not
buying it.

Until Apple is able to get over itself and run its OS X on 3rd party hardware
the don't have a chance with MS. Doesn't matter how many Macs Apple sells
MS is still gonna have the biggest market for custom based PC's, and they
already have the enterprise market, which in reality all that counts.

Wadhah

[akuehnemund]

You may want to take an ESL class

I hope English is not your first language...

[ralfthedog]

Enterprise market is Linux.

Most enterprise run Linux for servers, Windows for the masses and OS-X or Windows for the executives.

Small companies run Windows for servers because they don't have the skills to run Linux (It is a matter of education. Once you know Linux it is much easer to manage).

We run all of our servers on Linux. Our executives run OS-X. Everyone else uses XP. I have CentOS, OS-X, and XP-64 on my desk at work. OS-X is by far the best Desktop OS. CentOS is best for cranking out raw numbers (Remember to boot into single user mode). Windows is good for games.

[eldernorm]

MS is way ahead (er behind) of everyone else :-)

Ref to previous. :-)

Obviously you are very prejudice against Apple and their operating system. That is understandable since it looks like you are a hardcore die hard Microsoft fanatic. Weather you like it or not MS still runs 90% of the world's PC's.
Either it be Vista, XP, or 95. (AAgggnnnn, lemmings should run the world or cockroaches. whichever is the larger number. :-) )

Vista didn't bring anything new to the table. I run a PC myself and I am very disappointed with Vista and wanna go
back to Tiger now.

Spaces? Time Machine? Quick Look? Cover Flow? give me a break. Its wonderful. Plus, yes I have a PC. But guess what my desktop at home is running? Tiger. You know why? Because MS will not be able to market a customizable mainstream
desktop and still make it "just work". They have the mid range everyone wants desktop in their lineup. What Steve Ballmer said about the products being software ithat rules the world is total crap. If that is not viable then am not buying it.

Until Microsoft is able to get over itself and run its OS in a real manner, the don't have a chance with Apple. Doesn't matter how many PCs Microsoft sells, Apple is still gonna have the best PC's, and they already have the intelligent user market, which in reality all that counts."

Sorry for coping you, but it was so hard not to. Cheeeze, what is worring you people that you have to rant so??? :-(

[joshinburlingame]

Author, you should be embarrassed by this article!

Dear Author,
You opinions are obviously so skewed that nothing in your article can be taken at face value.

I am the first to admit that Apple makes a fun OS, but the competition with MSFT has been over for a long time. MSFT won years ago and the real world is not going to give up MSFT over a colorful overpriced alternative that provides less compatibility with users around the world.

Try writing an article that is filled with a little more fact and little less of your lunatic opinions and maybe someone will take you seriously.

By the way, in case it wasn't apparent to you, you are an Apple drone. Open your eyes to the real world.
Thanks,
josh

[AdamMoore]

We have to remember

No, remember, if it's not Apple it's not right. Or so people would lead you to believe. If it's not a closed-system, expensive and has a shiny case, it's not worth using.

I'll stick to playing actual games that didn't come out 10 years ago, not having to upgrade to a new computer everytime a service pack comes out, and not being forgotten about 6 months after I paid 20% more than a typical PC user can pay for (and upgrade independently).

For all the things people bash Microsoft (more often that hardware then the software, sadly) for, the same things are happening to them, they just fail to realize it.

Anyways, people will use what they want to use. I use OS X and Vista, and i've had no problems with either. The people who come on telling me how their calendar works better or their e-mail client or whatever, or maybe that nice feature that lets them fly through space to look at backup files (amazing, maybe we can float through the ocean too to view folder structures) is ridiculous :P

[eldernorm]

Author, ....embarrassed by this article! TOO

To Joshimburlingame,
Dear Author,
You comments are obviously so skewed that nothing in your article can be taken at face value.

I am the first to admit that Microsoft makes a .... OS, of sorts, but the competition with Apple is just starting. "IBM won years ago and the real world is not going to give up IBM over a colorful overpriced alternative that provides less compatibility with users around the world." Opps, you said Microsoft didn't you. Er, sort of the same thing, I think. :-)

"Try writing an article that is filled with a little more fact and little less of your lunatic opinions and maybe someone will take you seriously."

By the way, in case it wasn't apparent to you, you are a Microsoft drone. Open your eyes to the real world.
Thanks,
xxxxxx Just a thought. :-)

[thebitstreamer]

Just opinions

I think that your article is like a fan-base analisys and the worst part is that if there are something new into Leopard you dissuade me to look at.

Many function of Leopard are already in XP and, remember, with any new version Apple simply dont' care about compatibility.

Frankly, let me say, that you dont know much about Vista to judge it and also about Mac OSX.

[Nodack]

I think you hurt their feelings

It sure is fun to watch all the Gates drones get so upset with Apple lately.
Apple must be doing something right. This article was a little over the top but
it pissed off you pc guys so I think it was great.

[AdamMoore]

I see the authors intelligence stems into you too

And that would make you a tool, wouldn't it?

[Lenter101]

Microsoft's recent financial quarter

Microsoft just posted a huge financial quarter in part due to its sales of Windows Vista and Office ( 4.1 billion in revenue just from these two). A much smaller part of their income was from Halo 3, but to read the media, you'd think all of the income was from that. Actually, less than a billion was generated from Halo and X-box.

I don't think Microsoft is threatened by Apple or Google, not with the way their business is rolling just now.

You may want them to be but it ain't happening, dude, and it ain't gonna either.

BTW, I have purchased 3 new computers in the last few months, all with Windows Vista, which works very well. I like the OS very much.

Macalope is reporting today,"Leopard's Back To My Mac feature bypasses local login and will allow full access to a machine it's enabled on solely via the .Mac login and password entered into the .Mac preferences pane."

So much for Apple's great security.

[eldernorm]

Hmmmm, just thinking.

OH yea, STORM Trojan. Watch out if you run IE and Real player. Er, no problem for Mac users. And no spyware either. Just a thought.

OH and Apple had a pretty good quarter too, and they did not have to pay 1 billion to the EU, and 1 billion for Xbox 360 issues, etc, etc, . MS=23$ Appl=185$

Just a thought/ :-)

[MacVet]

The trend...

... is under way.

http://www.contactomagazine.com/computers/endofmicrosoft1007.htm

http://www.paulgraham.com/microsoft.html

http://wolfgang.lonien.de/?p=461

And last, but not least:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6843390913661737077

[sntholiday]

Where are all the earlier posts?

I posted a response to this blog earlier this morning, along with several others, and they have mysteriously disappeared. I'm really losing respect for CNET.

I'm also getting tired of people bashing Microsoft and Vista. You say Vista is slow? How about more details. I have no problems with Vista. It is very stable and fast on my PC which does not have expensive components. Let's stop the OS bashing and just let people use what they want.

[eldernorm]

I heard that too. Missing posts

I am getting tired of people bashing Microsoft and Vista too. :-) I mean they are pretty much right and all, but I get tired of hearing it. My company will not allow us to upgrade for at least another year. They say there are too many problems in Vista so we will limp along with XP.

You said," Let's stop the OS bashing and just let people use what they want.". Does that mean that we can still continue to bash Apple, like most of these posts are doing? Just a thought.

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[Gunady]

Mine too..

My post was deleted too. Do we post something that challenges the credibility of the author and cNet just delete it away? Wahh.. really?

[sanenazok]

Why Leopard

The only way I can see Apple becoming a competitor to MS is if Apple allowed OS X to run on standard PC hardware, as they very well can but choose not to. I don't see any reason why it is Leopard that would push Apple out of its 5% market share doldrums, it has improvements over Tiger but nothing so great as to overcome the obvious Apple hardware handicap.

So if Leopard is to beat MS, why didn't Tiger or OS 10.3 for that matter? Probably because they're all nice but totally niche markets.

Also, I've been using Vista for the last 6+ months and it works fine. Your comments about Vista are all generalized FUD and BS.

[delhokie]

It's about hardware

Apple is in the business of hardware, and OS X will not be made to run on non-apple hardware other than by the community at large (I have an in-law who has OS X running on his vista laptop, and it runs great).

The problem with Vista is not the technologically savvy user, it's the everyday user who decided has been hurt by Vista's shortcomings. Leopard, while far from perfect, doesn't seem to have the same problems and can only benefit from Microsoft's mistakes.

Keep in mind, we're not talking about Apple having the greater share of PC's out there compared to Windows, but going from 6% to 10-12% is a HUGE accomplishment. Far from the majority, but look what a little browser called Firefox did when it's market share continued to grow.

[rapier1]

This is what passes for reasoned analysis?

I'm a mac user. I like my mac. I don't like this article. Its really nothing more
than unsubstantiated bloviating with little in the way of useful insight.

[eldernorm]

Why, yes it is. :-)

I'm a pc user. I like my pc and windows junk. This article is just super accurate and must scare the heck out of MS users or at least those paid by MS to say good things about it. :-)

:-) Hey, I sound just like you. :-)

[belovedmonster]

Microsoft are doomed, doomed I say!

Microsoft are going to continue to be a huge company for years to come of that I'm sure, but the writing is on the wall in terms of whether they will be able to sustain the monopoly they had during the past 15 years. They wont.

The internet is empowering people in so many ways, be it the way people interact with their media, the way they get information, the way they interact with each other. There's no way anyone is going to have a monopoly of things for the internet generation.

[b_baggins]

Wishful thinking

There is no way MS is going away any time soon. One, businesses think that being locked into a single software vendor is preferable to being locked into a single hardware vendor, so that kills Apple right there.

Two, MS has a stranglehold on OEM licensing so just by sheer inertia, the consumer market will be Vista dominated in a few years.

I like Apple, but there is no way it's going to be an MS killer.

[eldernorm]

Er, so you are saying---

That the 800 lb primate makes crap but is so big that we are forced to use it??

Where oh where do you guys get this fear of Apple??? MS killer??? Is that anything like an iPod killer?? :-)

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[john55440]

Vista - 88 Million Copies Sold, and Going Strong

Vista is clearly a sucess.

[Jeff Putz]

This is sad

As much as I'm a Mac and Apple fan boy, this is the dumbest thing I've read today. If Vista craps out, and millions of copies sold (OEM or not) seems pretty substantial to me, MS will still continue to back XP. Are corporate IT departments going to start wiring up tends of thousands of new Macs, which are more expensive only because they're higher end, not because they're Apple, and start wiring them up to their Exchange servers? Fat chance.

If this is what passes as "analysis" on CNET, time to find new analysts.

[catch23]

I thought it was the year of Linux

yet again. But no, it turns out to be the year Apple takes over again....

Meanwhile, Vista has sold 88 million copies (something Apple only dreams about) and has, yet again, had a quarter that can only really be compared against the mid-sized countries (again, something Apple can only dream about)

Ah well, little kids like the author like to compare the sand castles they love against Buckingham Palace.

[longstand]

This appears to be yet another article that contains a lot of innuendo, conjecture, and assumption. It is almost devoid of fact, knowledge, proof, and reality and regularity! of day to day computing tasks screwed up by programming miss-haps and programming integrity.

Vista is cool but also crap, buggy and rip off to anyone who pays for it. As for mac osx well it works, aint that good enough?? I am a windows user, a web programmer to be exact and i am very annoyed how vista has let me down. Vista crashes & buggers up left right and center. My system specs are: quad core 2.4! 3 gig ddr2 ram! 9800gx2 card - and for some reason vista side of things always ***** up, guess what runs well? XP is that a push saying hmmm Vista is programmed wrong?? ! I cannot help wonder whether the author of this post is correct - mac drone or not - we cannot hide from pure truth & factor in this case - vista runs well for a good period of time & suddenly creates issues that make you think the following (Did that happen because I am using vista?? hmmm it did not normally happen when i was using XP) blah blah blah this guy is a mac drone, well am i windows drone feeling that I got bummed by a camel buying vista.

Good day. - NeoReloaded!

[john55440]

Mac = 3.x% Worldwide Market Share

Mac has a whopping 3.x% worldwide maket share.

The author's statement "look for Leopard to outsell Vista by a staggering margin" is just plain delusional.

HP alone has a 19.6% worldwide personal computer market share, with 33% growth.

[eldernorm]

Lemmings night out, this saturday. :-)

Just thought you should know that all the lemmings are getting to gether this weekend to run up and over the cliff. I am sure that since they number in the millions all over the world, you would want to join them. er. after reading your post that is. :-)

The article was about the operating system, er Vista vs Leopard. And did you just hear that XP will be selling for another year er, cause no one wants Vista. Just a thought. :-)

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[mailbox001]

MAC installed base doesn't exceed Vista 88 mill

Steve will never want MAC to be the dominate OS, that's because not only consumer will be demanding but so will the Enterprise clients. They will demand that the Mac OS be able to be installed on any hardware and Business won't be able to afford the Annual Service Pack update costs.

[eldernorm]

I love Microsoft---

I am just wondering, where oh where did you ever come up with this logic??? :-) Did Ballmer hit you in the head with one of those chairs? LOL

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[J.G.]

Mac share is already up

The claims that Apple has as little as three percent U.S. market share are false. Recently, analysts are reporting between six and eight percent overall for Apple and as much as 20 percet of their demographic for Mac laptops.

It is also important to note that Apple does not try to compete with commodity computer manufacturers. It has chosen to be a highly profitable boutique brand instead.

OS X and Apple hardware are designed to work together. Porting OS X to any X86 computer is not an objective for Apple because of the degradation of the OS that would ensue.

[dpt308]

two really nice operating systems, as is linux...

but you have to buy the whole computer to get leopard apple likes to be in total control of you and the products they create, chances are when they come out with some new thing your out with the bath water. I'm sure plenty of apple people can tell you that.

[ecartman0]

Silly Silly dirvel

I love my Mac, and I love my Ubuntu machines but this drivel is the stupidest thing I've read in a while. Microsoft is the 800 pound gorilla in the room. I'm sure the taxes Microsoft collects are more than the profits Apple will make off their new OS. Wish it weren't so but it 'tis. Fanboism to the extreme is just plain not entertaining.

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[eldernorm]

I just love Microsoft and their wonderful products

but just because cockroaches outnumber people, I really don't want to be one. So the 800 lb primate example does not work. IMB was the 800 lb'er and now it does not even make PCs. :-)

OH, and because I said I love Microsoft, I must be right about this and unbias to boot. :-)

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