Comments on: Does the Xbox 360's 'lack of longevity' matter?

Sony's Kaz Hirai claims that the video game console "lacks longevity." But does that even matter?

[noahjwhite]

I recently commented on a topic similar to this but I'll say it again. If Sony plans to hold out for 10 years with the PS3 it will likely end their reign. People want progress... yes they the PS3 will still sell 10 years form now. But by then the hardware will be VERY dated. I don't know why sony thinks the PS3 will outlast the Xbox360. The only thing that the PS3 has over the 360 is Blu-Ray, which is a long way from being necessary for gaming. Yes, it has a more powerful CPU, but like we've seen in PC gaming, it's not the CPU that matters, it's the GPU. The GPU in the 360 and PS3 are of the same generation and capibility. The PS3 will NEVER have substantially better graphics than the 360.

[Dan7637]

xbox gots nothing on the ps3, ps3 is a better machine and for you sony haters-FU, red ring of death-no thx, blueray, sony, free online-yes

[tsemk]

lack of longevity who cares... everytime a new console drops, I want it. And the old gets retired into the museum of consoles, and they get their time, when we throw down on SF3 Alpha lets say, or Marvel vs Capcom 2 on Dreamcast etc,... As PS3 in 10 years, hmmm 2016 I would like to think, thats a whole new generation of gamers, and blu-ray by then will be a souvenir.

[suren13]

ALL PS3 can read ps2 and ps1 games all u need to do is go to the ps store in ur ps3 then go to the VIEW ALL BY TITLE the go the LETTER P then GO DOWN AND U WILL SEE PS2 SYSTEM DATA download it and ur good to go u can even read the info on it ONLY THE 40 GB moddles wont work with this check ppls no joke add me on psn Armenia4life or msn [e-mail] if u need help or go Questions!

[suren13]

ALL PS3 can read ps2 and ps1 games all u need to do is go to the ps store in ur ps3 then go to the VIEW ALL BY TITLE the go the LETTER P then GO DOWN AND U WILL SEE PS2 SYSTEM DATA download it and ur good to go u can even read the info on it ONLY THE 40 GB moddles wont work with this check ppls no joke add me on psn Armenia4life or msn [e-mail] if u need help or go Questions!

[ayham_tnt]

ok now as of what i see over the years from xbox (Microsoft)and ps(sony).


Microsoft
xbox
xbox360

sony
ps1
ps2
ps3
psp



now ps2 can play all ps1 and ps2.
xbox can play xbox

ps3 can play ps1,ps2 and remot play with psp
can play Blu-ray Disc, DVD, CD (all models)
Blu-ray

Backward : ps1 games all. ps2 games all

and now you can go on youtube on ps3

160 GB included or less

Graphics 550 MHz NVIDIA/SCEI RSX .



xbox 360

Media DVD, CD, add Add-on: HD DVD (discontinued) $50 or more and NO BUL-RAY DVD

Backward : 478 original Xbox games NOT ALL THE GAMES FOR XBOX!!!!.

AND YOU CAN'T GO ON YOUTUBE "YET"

120 GB included or less

Graphics 500 MHz ATI Xenos .

so ps3 can play Backward all ps1,ps2 games Media DVD,CD BUL-RAY. 550 MHz NDVIA (the bast ) and go on youtube.

ps3 for $400-500

xbox360 can play Backward some of xbox games. Media DVD.CD ADD $50 OR MORE FOR HD-DVD.Graphics 500 MHz ATI Xenos (not the bast) don know if it is

xbox360 for $400-396 and add $50 if you want HD-DVD. bad.

so i put the ps3
1 have some ps1 game and some ps2 games not the system.
2- i can go on youtueb.
3- can play any thing DVD,CD, BUL-RAY.
4-not too big + i have psp so now i can remot play.

as we all see ps3 is way nice then xbox360.

and as we see sony have over 4 systems and you can us them all on the ps3 ps,ps2 + psp remot play

and
as we see Microsoft have only 2 system xbox,xbox360. no Portable game play.

and you can't use all the xbox games on it . too bad.

so sony try not to make us mad that we wasted all are money on ps1,ps2 ,games or if you buy psp and not use it + it add BUL-RAY DVD .

but

Microsoft can lit us play some of the games of xbox and you need to buy the HD-DVD and you can't go on youtube "YET". even tho they try ther bast they can't even make Portable dvice when sony can and ds as will? so buy ps3 cuz ther are all ways new ps2 games so you have ps3 ps2 ps1 all in one .

and yeah
ps1 have sold 102 million (as of July 20, 2008)
ps2 have sold 140 million (as of July 20, 2008)
ps3 have sold 16.84 million (as of September 30, 2008)[ bad
psp 1000 + psp 2000 + psp 3000 all of them sold 41 million (as of August 20, 2008)


xbox360 have sold : 28 million (as of January 5, 2009)
xbox have sold 24 million (as of May 10, 2006 ) .

so ps1 vs xbox = ps1
so ps2 vs xbox = ps2
so psp vs xbox = psp
but xbox 360 vs ps3 = x x box 360 so a lot peopl have put the xbox 360 then the peolp who put the ps3.
but way a lot peopl put ps1 and ps2 then the peolp who put the xbox 360..

so is up to you , buy ps3 or xbox 360 if you have ps2 or ps1 or psp or all then but the ps3.

in you have xboz the buy the xbox 360.

if you do not have any system then buy the ps3.

but psp ps2 ps1 win but the ps3 loss why? how? why sony win all the time but NOW sony vs Microsoft , Microsoft win? is it the the money ? or is it the game game play ?

[nowimcool]

Don's blogs are like train-wrecks, I keep looking when I know I should just move on!!

My problem with the article is that the author assumes the 360 lacks longevity because of a quote from Sony. Plus, the title really has nothing to do with what the subject is about, except for the last 2 paragraphs. To make matters worse he does a good job to prove that the 10 year lifespan is the way to go from a business perspective and then says it all doesn't matter because he prefers the 360. ***? Is this blog about longevity or your personal tastes in gaming consoles Don? I would have rather read a critique of the statement Sony made.

On a pet-peeve note, the term "begs the question" is in regard to the fallacy of circular reasoning and not because you are 'begging for a question to be answered'. For example the statement: "i did not lie because I am not a liar" is an example of begging the question.

[BrianC6234]

Yes it does matter. It matters to Microsoft. Just last year their talkingheads were talking about how great the PS2 is doing and they'd like their consoles to have a long life like that.

[veruslite]

You guys can say all you want, but lets take a look at Speculation VS Reality. Rewind about 2-3 years ago when only the 360 was released and the Wii/PS3 were on there way onto the scene. Analysts predictings basically had it set that SONY would massacre the competition, with XBOX 360 being a distant 2nd place and Nintendo likely to be out of the Video game hardware business within a few short years. Fast forward to Realime and now (whether you like it or not) Nintendo has trounced the competition in installed user base with no signs of slowing down and absolutely no signs that they're gonna be exiting the games hardware business any time soon, while MS and the XBOX 360 has the best games and most consistent top selling titles across all three platforms. Now where is the supergoliath SONY??? at a distant THIRD, trying to play catchup. Think im wrong??? look at SONY's whole business their entire eletronics division is seeing cutbacks and layoffs in the thousands and it seems the anounce a new "restructuring plan" every week. Not something you'd expect to hear from the so called #1 contender. Nintendos tunring profits, MS is turning profits, SONY's just soon to be turning over in its grave. Im no XBOX Fanboy, i owned a PS2 from day 1 and never even considered purchasing in original XBOX, but when the new lineup showed its face i chose sides based on what i saw down the pipeline and not some "analyst predictions" and am pleased to say i made the right choice with my XBOX 360.

@ Orakga

"Yes, I love the connectivity on the 360. And I still continue to use the 360 to play with friends who do not own PS3s. But I always feel like that kid who's playing an older game just because his friends don't have the newest/hottest games when I'm on the 360. "

Hahahhahhahhahahhahhahhahhahhahhahahhah... OMG hahhahhahhahhahhha ... whew... hahhahhah. Do you even hear yourself, not playing the newest hottest games because your playing the obsolete 360's games?????? Um hello last time i checked every major game past/ and current is out on the 360. SONY had a few major titles and guess what MS snatched those up too. ala a seinfeld moment "No more exclusive titles for you". Now not only is SONY loosing exclusivity to titles, MS is getting exclusives that not even the PS3 is getting. Granted they havent gotten any A rank exclusives yet as companies are still surveying the market, but im sure if SONY doesnt get their act together you be seeing MGS 5 as an XBOX exclusive in the not to distant future.

[Balloonknot]

BluRay lacks longevity. Anyone with an ounce of technological insight can see that it will never be adopted by as many people as DVD...we've moved on to downlaodable files.

A major difference between NES, SNES, PSX and PS2 as compared to the PS3 is their sales records. The PS3 has had horrible sales numbers, far below expectations, whereas the other systems sold extremely well from the get go.

If the PS3 is still sony's system 7 years from now...and Microsoft, or anyone else, releases a more sophisticated system, Sony will be at a disadvantage. The PS3 will be stuck with it's current specs when the other console makers have had the advantage of tailoring their new systems to the latest technological trends and updating them with advanced processing power.

I have all three systems, Wii, 360 and PS3. I NEVER play my PS3. I actually play my PS2 more than my PS3.

In all fairness, the PS3 is, by far, the highest quality piece of equipment out of the bunch. It's a shame it's going to waste. 7 years from now, it'll still be working just fine...but I still won't be playing it...

[chrkeller]

Do some research there champ. Bluray is actually being adopted at a faster rate then DVD. Not too mention download files lack uncompressed audio and the picture quality isn't up to snuff. BR will be around for quite sometime.

[Balloonknot]

Sorry Chief, I disagree. If you like BluRay, it is does offer a better picture than DVD, so enjoy, please don't get all emotional about this. But for most people it's just not worth it. Most HD video files (cable, Netflix etc) are just fine for the masses and will always be. I, like you, do see the difference and appreciate the superior quality. But most people aren't that picky. It's alot cheaper and alot more convenient to watch intantly downloaded video whether it's cable or Netflix or something like that.

DVD's offered a huge jump over VHS...no rewind, chapter select, better picture, extras..etc. For the average Joe, the extras BluRays include are worthless and the difference in picture quality between an HD video and a BluRay disc isn't an issue at all.

Best Regards,

"Champ"

[chrkeller]

Well that explains why BR is being adopted almost twice as fast a DVD did... yeah, such a well thought out argument. Want to try again champ or are you down for the count?

[mitchell2percent]

at least my playstation 2 has lasted since its release. my xbox 360 just got the red ring again, third time ive had to get it fixed

[mitchell2percent]

and ive got my nes,snes,n64,gcube,wii, 360,ps, ps2, ps3, and even all the handhelds (cept for the sega one, it broke) even a game and watch sitting in my room either on my entertainment center or dresser. and i play all of them. why cant people just realize that its really not that big of a deal. Consumers get all fired up with the console wars when they become fanboys. And everyone knows fanboys suck a$$. Cant we acknowledge that each console has its pros and cons and just be gamers. you know, gamers, people who play games and have fun with it and dont ***** about everything.

and if youve only played zelda and halo, please dont call yourself a hardcore gamer. youre casual at best.
cuz some dude i know plays halo 3 and WoW all day and always calls himself hardcore, probably just a loser, but god its annoying.

[tenor1977]

IMO- the angle and argument Sony is making a weak. I'll still bust out my old Nintendo from time to time and actually I picked up a copy of Basewars (albeit used) from Game Exchange more recently than I bought a title for my PS1 or 2. Using their logic the NES is still the console king.

Truth is I don't see any console lasting 10 years. Heck 5 years is a good run the way technology advances. I do a complete upgrade on my computer every three years with tweaks and upgrades about once a year to keep up. It's not all about graphics but with tech upgrades comes new capabilities, options and experiences. Games like Bioshock just couldn't have happend in prior generations.

I know fanboys want to see any news that their PS3 is doing well, but Sony's been harping the "better times will come" for 2 years now. Now basically they're saying it'll only be 8 more years of waiting till they take the crown. The truth is the games follow the gamers and if Sony's sales don't improve it will continue to get looked over for exclusives just like the original Xbox did and gamers in turn will look it over, and the cycle continues. Though the Wii breaks all the rules on this though. The game attachment rate is horrible and the only people that can make a good game (or good sales) for a Nintendo console is Nintendo. With the way they have treated 3rd party developers in the past and present hurts them there......and now I'm rambling.

Anyway I'm not trying to say one console is better than the other. There's no winners in a fanboy argument, only losers. Each console has it's strengths and purpose. I've got my Wii for the kids, my Xbox for my serious gaming, and I have my buddy's PS3 if I want to play any of it's exclusives (not a fan of the controller).

[chrkeller]

I own all three consoles. The 360 is a piece of crap and fails 33% of the time. It lacks built-in wifi which MS charges $100 for. The hard drive upgrades are overpriced. The 360 has a fantastic lineup, but the hardware is horrible. The ps3 has the potential, but really it has been used yet. The hardware is top notch and includes BR and wifi. It has an user upgradable hard drive. The problem is the lineup. If only I could have the 360's lineup on the ps3. The Wii is a simple party console, good for playing with non-gamer friends, but worthless otherwise. As for staying power, well I think the ps3 will be around for quite sometime. The 360 might as well. Face it guys, the days of releasing more powerful consoles is over. Graphics are really pushing the boundary of photo realistic. I really don't see how graphics can be the main selling point in the future.

[pghcraig1]

sony fails to realize that that so many people have such large game libraries on their ps2. I would love to know how many PS2 sales are replacements. Some of the older ones have issues playing newer games. The ps2 is $129. If I had 50 ps2 games, I'd replace a broken console at that price.

ESPECIALLY since they never delivered backwards compatability.

[chrkeller]

My 60 gig ps3 has perfect BC. Not sure what you are talking about. Hell the BC on the launch 60 model isn't even software, but hardware based.

[chuzek]

I think this article misses the point in measuring the success of a console. Yes, longevity is a factor. However, true success must be determined by the amount of revenue generated during its existence both in terms of hardware and royalties from software. For example, the Neo Geo had a hardware lifespan from 1990 to 1997 and a software lifespan from 1990 to 2006. Both of which could be considered decent longevity. However, no one would argue that the Neo Geo was a successful console.

More importantly, the revenue generated towards the beginning of a console?s lifecycle is of greater more value than revenue towards the end. This is for two reasons. Early success builds momentum and confidence among consumers and third-party developers. This means better software and a larger and happier installed base. Secondly, given the time value of money, revenue earned earlier in the life cycle has a larger future value.

So Sony?s argument of longevity as the sole measure of success is faulty at best.

[whoadude1]

WOW...seems the first thing i do when i read these is to see if Don worte the original article, and lo and behold, he sure did. NOT SURPRISING. An article about the life expectancy of the 360, and in the whole article its mentioned approx. 6 times? Every time he writes, he chokes on the PS systems. You would think he is under the desks of everyone at Sony, or they are under his to write these articles.

All of the numbers he brings up are about the other 2 manufacturers. Not 1 time does he mention sales figures for the 360 or the original Xbox. Why not? Because there isn't 10 years of comparison numbers? So? Show us.

The red ring...has anyone ever had a car warranty issue? A "lemon", so to speak? Ever hear the saying to "not buy a car the first release year", because of problems? OK...ill agree, the 360 was rushed to market. Hell, I myself am on unit # 6...and its an Elite, but this one has never been repaired. Do i still support them? Hell yes. Have I paid for a single repair yet? NO, and I refuse to.

The games....to quote someone in here...a lack of quality the first year...total BS.

Online....So what that it costs about 3.84 a month to play online. The day XBOX live came to be it was a realization that makes EVERY game online TOTALLY open ended and endless. You can beat the story in a game and tell anyone about it, but there will ALWAYS be someone out there better than you, and able to show you.

Sony needs to rename the advertising for the PS3...change it to "Sony Playstation 3....Play B3hind"

[GameHistoryX]

Please remember that Kaz Hirai works for Sony and will always inflate facts to make their products appear better specially when they are #3 in the market right now behind the Wii and Xbox 360. Now all this talk about the Cell processor does not really matter much because all the graphics are done by the Nvidia GPU in the PS3. The Cell originally was supposed to do graphics but Sony scraped that plan when they saw its performance and hired Nvidia to customized one of their GPU into the RSX for PS3. The CPU in the Xbox 360 and PS3 are only used for non video related instructions. I own every system since the NES including the Wii, PS3, and Xbox 360. I can tell you that as far as graphics I still have not seen anything on the PS3 that is better than on the Xbox 360. MGS4 had impressive cut scenes but they did not use as many textures and detailed environments as Gears Of War 2, so it was not hard to make MGS4 run smooth on the PS3. The PS3 does have Bluray which is good for HD movies if you feel like paying $29.99 for a Bluray version of a movie you have already seen. Xbox Live is still on top of the game when it comes to online play. When it comes to games Xbox 360 is still the front runner. Hopefully Sony will step up their games and improve online play. As far as graphics do not expect any huge difference between the PS3 and Xbox 360 if any.

[wsu23]

You are arguing apples and oranges. They are talking about profitability, and longevity. And you?re talking about instant gratification, and the "coolness" factor.

[ledesmkv]

Blah blah blah... My (insert preferred console) is better than (insert other console) because blah blah blah... Your (insert other console) sucks because blah blah blah, and my (insert preferred console) is better because blah blah blah...

I have both Xbox and PS3, and both have their pluses and minuses. For gaming, I play 360 exclusively... for Blu Ray, the PS3 is king. If you can't afford both, then pick one for your own reasons and enjoy! Neither system is going anywhere anytime soon no matter how much you whine about them.

[gypsygib]

All I know is that my 360 hardware (5th) would never last 10 years. I'd be surprised if it lasted 5.