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Microsoft sees the writing on the wall. Too bad it's not admitting it to customers.

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by webkruzer1 February 27, 2008 10:49 PM PST
yup... on the money!
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by bartlettonline February 28, 2008 1:13 AM PST
another mac fanboy
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by Matthew R. February 28, 2008 5:09 AM PST
There is no fan boy status in the letter, unless you are a NOC or a Sys Admin, or have a title like Tier I, Tier II, or Tier III Tech, or even Programmer, which all have to know the OS intimately, either through function, or code, you would agree with the message above.

I have worked for companies that were testing the gold version of Vista and it was buggy as hell... did you ever think of why they took back, and re-released the Vista SP1, and why it was so big?

Sorry, Matt Asay is correct, in the IMB Clone world, you are buying the hardware not the OS. Everyone expects an OS to come with their computer, or at least one they know. They buy the computer for the hardware, not the OS, they want a large HD, Blue-Ray DVD drives, etc... I've never heard of anyone buying a computer (except for a Mac) for the OS.

Even on a Mac though, what draw people in is the computer form, and then the OS...

Hardware before software, it stands true, and probably always will.

One more thing, the fact he says things that are true, like making video on a Mac is easier than a PC, and that what you can do on a IBM Clone you can do on a Mac or a Linux box is true too.

I have over 15 years of professional computer experience under my belt, I remember a time when Windows didn't even exist, I have seen computer come from using a tape recorder as a data storage device to sold state drives. I have been nearly anything you can imagine under the sun when it comes to being a computer user, I've worked at some of the most prestigious universities as a trouble shooter, or last resort man before they threw away the computer, network, or infrastructure and start from scratch, so I speak from some level of experience here.

What Matt Asay says isn't lying, or Mac Fandom, it is true, you may not like it, but it doesn't make it any more true.
by chonnom February 28, 2008 4:59 AM PST
A necessary evil. You, yourself, admitted that it depends on what you do with your "play time" that differentiates the available OSs. Many more of us, than those like yourself that are shutterbugs, prefer to play video games. Currently, the availability of cutting-edge computer games is limited to Windows. I blame software makers for this as it takes a little effort to recompile the software and make it available on Apple or Linux but they delay releases or never release titles for these systems. I would be happy to won a linux machine but what's the point when I can't play my games? As for Apple; I can afford a much beefier PC than I can an Apple so for me, it's all about economics. People like you have the disposable income to pay 2x the price of a PC so you can brag about owning an Apple. I see little difference between the snobbish attitudes of Apple owners and their brethren that drive hybrid cars.
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by qwho February 28, 2008 5:17 AM PST
"I blame software makers for this as it takes a little effort to recompile the software and make it available on Apple or Linux"

It's not actually as simple as you think. Most software companies have been focusing on windows for many, many years. These companies would have to go to great lengths to hire new staff with the skills to port or develop new games for mac or linux. It is a large investment to span accross platforms like that. With such a small market share that mac and linux gaming are, can you blame them for sticking with what they can already do?
by Matthew R. February 28, 2008 5:20 AM PST
Then you aren't looking in the right places. Show me where you can get a Quad Core Xeon system, with 512 MB Video card, and the ability to hold 32GB of ram on the board for under $2700...

Compare Dell's Business class, and give it XP ultimate, as well as comparable hard ware if you can, and you'll see your PC is more expensive than a Mac, and that is with the warrantee added in.

Don't blow smoke up someone's butt because they don't agree with you, its not nice or hygienic.
by BobbyCannon February 28, 2008 5:44 AM PST
Are you a software engineer (developer)?

Developing software takes a lot of time. I am a Windows developer and Microsoft treat the developers as if they were gold. Why? Because we are. People by their computers (OS) for what they can run on it. If the software industry doesn't support Microsoft then guess what... they will die.

I have tried to develop in Linux and WOW it is so painful. Unclear documentation, no standards, the user has to rebuild the application to run on their machine, etc... These things make you (software company) not want to waste your time writing application for that platform.

I can't comment on OS-X for I have never used it much less write code.

Thanks,
Bobby Cannon
by Matthew R. February 28, 2008 5:51 AM PST
I've written for both Mac and PC before, the Mac coding program for one is free, but it also gives you access to Windows and Mac Libraries for free as well. I agree Linux programming can at times be painful, it is what happens when you get a lot of code monkeys together...

That being said, perhaps Microsoft should actually pay people to streamline and fix their code, it be so much easier than creating patches over bad code... MS couldn't pay me enough to do it though... I've seen their internal workings before and I felt like running away screaming and hiding in a corner like a little baby...

That stuff scares me, especially the code that they still use from 1986.
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by eagledrc February 28, 2008 6:06 AM PST
Preach it Brother!!!
Microsoft needs to work on releasing an decent OS. It can't be that hard to size down Vista so that most machines can run it. Linux does it, why can't Vista? Microsoft has got some good ideas, if only they would cut out their bad parts. I would be a full-time Linux user if Adobe products ran on Linux.
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by mvpcarl February 28, 2008 6:14 AM PST
I just think it's funny to see this on "The Open Road: the business and politics of open source." Regardless of what you think is true, you totally discredit yourself when you write on a topic so far from the core of your blog. If this is SOMEHOW an article about open source (yes, I know the word linux is in there 2x, but they are afterthoughts)

This is almost as bad as reading an article on why you shouldn't buy foreign cars from General Motors. Your bias is disgusting. I use all platforms, I own a Macbook and a custom built PC that dual boots with Vista and Ubuntu. While I love my Macbook, I still think Vista runs extremely well and I have not had any problems at all. You only need the proper hardware to run Vista correctly. So no, you can't upgrade your system with Win 2000 and expect it to work. My desktop is constantly running Folding at Home on both cores, and my desktop with Vista is still extremely responsive and fast and is not turned off for well over a month at a time. Never have I had a problem and Vista's been running since it went RTM.

So I ask you, next time I read your blog, would you consider writing something pertaining to the topic of OPEN SOURCE. You aren't influencing anyone to switch from Vista to Open Source by writing negatively about it. You sound like Hillary Clinton constantly attacking Obama. Put some meat in your articles, and does anyone even know what Alfresco is?
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by Matt Asay February 28, 2008 7:17 AM PST
Thanks for your comments. I write on whatever catches my fancy on the blog, from open source to Arsenal Football Club. I appreciate the effort to keep the topic constrained, but since my interests are broader than open source...so is this blog.
by ff1089 February 28, 2008 6:30 AM PST
first let me say that I do not like some one say "confuse the customer or that I don't know "I for one build my own computer and I take pride in what I doalong with pushing the OS to it limits I do let Vista evevn thou it is nothing more than an ME2 when MS gets over thier head swells and becomes a manufacture with the consumer in mind they may have a future otherwise all I can see for MS is that along the road some group of new college students will get together and show them what real OS's are about Try explaining it to us we may surprise you with just how much we can understand
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by boe_d February 28, 2008 6:50 AM PST
Correction - People want PCs, not the VISTA OS, I'm sure they'd be fine with XP, Linux or even 98, just not Vista.
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by oyster11 February 28, 2008 5:36 PM PST
This is why allowing any company - including Apple and the various Linux suppliers - to preinstall an OS is such a bad idea. Microsoft has many incredibly talented developers, but they are lax about improvements. Even though I installed Linux on my machine as soon as I got it home, Microsoft is probably happy with me as a customer. Why? Because I had no choice but to buy a machine with Windows preinstalled, and a large sum out of the computer's price went straight to Microsoft. Only when they are no longer allowed to stuff their products down consumer's throats will they bother to improve their OS. The solution is not to have government screwing around with the free market - it is to allow competition in the OS market. If Microsoft still has a ~90% market share, it will be because they really make the best OS and price it competitively, not because of suppressing the consumer's choices.
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by Whirlium February 28, 2008 7:38 PM PST
It?s really sad that companies like CNET allow such Bias fanboys to write articles like this, it?s really an embarrassment.

This article really had nothing to do with Apple's O/S and I?m not sure what type of a point the author was trying to make. It seem to suggest the author was upset because the executives at Microsoft feel it?s pointless to write a manual explaining all the features of it?s operating system. Well I have news for the author I work in tech support and they are right. Farther more my IPod didn?t come with a manual explaining all its features?

While Apple's O/S has great video editing software out of the box, it remains a pretty much closed operating system to developers. Windows on the other hand is very open to developers and this is part of the reason for its mass popularity, and the reason I can find better video editing software than what you have on your MAC and countless other software. Now I?m pretty sure Microsoft would offer better software out of the box then what you see on your Apple OS but they would be looking at another anti-trust suit saying they cornered the market. If anything you should take a look at Apple's monopoly like tactics. Perfect example of Apple's proprietary monopoly like tactics is the IPod with no SDK to develop add-ons or any software that might allow you to download music from other music distribution companies or to even port your paid for music to another player.

While there are times when Microsoft doesn?t get the job done for what I need but, the thing they have done is open up there OS so I can write my own piece of software to feel the gap or I can find some software that does the job. The other thing they have been able to do is unify and create standards which are huge problems for Linux.
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