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Silicon Valley, for all its foibles, doesn't build on .Net. It builds on LAMP.
I dont know which rock you've been under..or should I say which Ocean bed you've been under...
Nobody who has a little understanding of the platforms and environment and tools available and their possibilites would not do anything with ASP . Net. Its only good for the people living under the Ocean bed who know that their project/company would always be there and want to keep it there.
And people who made the mistake of starting off with ASP .Net . by the time they realize that its a mistake its too late/too costly to change platform and so are stuck with it and try their best to make whatever they can to keep it going. Its unscalable 'un-robust' etc. etc.
kenpofighta is a perfect example of the microsoft employees and may have a tough time merging with people of yahoo. Its a major mindset / culture clash. I bet there will be lot of yahoo resignations who do not want to work with microsoft. Its tough to learn to write buggy code when they are used to producing super robust applications for almost 10 years.
I have to agree with Dave and Matt this is going to be brutal. Microsft wants to consume Yahoo and make it part of itself and make a bigger Microsoft. Unless Steve Balmer swallows some pride and let yahoo be yahoo supporting financially, this is a disaster for Yahoo.
I personally love yahoo a lot still use yahoo.com for easy searches quite often, been using it for more than 10 years. I dont believe all is lost yet. I really wish Yahoo resists this as much as they can .. make some tough decisions , tighten where they can, and come out stronger.Jerry Yang was my hero when I was young and still is and was very happy to see hime come back..
But on the other hand its a great move by microsoft.. and if this comes thru we may have to witness the meticulous destruction of Yahoo in the hands of microsoft changing nothing to the bottomline for Microsoft. This is a good news only for Google, because they will loose their closest competition.
I hope Yahoo prevails...
Typical lack of any real detail...just buzzwords that managers use.
If you can't scale your ASP.NET application, you need to look at yourself, bacuase this is pretty simple to do.
If you can't write robust code with ASP.NET, take a look at your own skills once more. But why? Just blame Microsoft. It's their fault you can't write code beyond a high school level.
As for Matt...we all know he is as anti-Microsoft as it gets, so simply put his comments through your Asay-Filter and think for yourself.
The fact is, a lot of companies started using non MS technologies and had to switch because they could not scale. Read up on Twitter, the idiots used Ruby on Rails which can't scale. Sites like MySpace switched so that they could scale. If you don't have any ambition and never won't to scale, fine. Companies like Twitter want to scale and now they are screwed unless they change to another technology stack. You comments about being unscalable show ignorance of the subject, MS technologies are behind some of the most scalable applications in the world both on the web ond off. The fact that some MS sites are in the top ranks when it comes to number of pages served proves you to be either ignorant or misinformed. Hmm, or it could just be the white powder.
As far as Ruby goes, it is ignorance to say it does scale. Engine Yard is still a nobody unless you are in the Ruby on Rails community. They have not been tested yet and will fail when they are. Sites that have been tested have failed. See Twitter
http://www.alexrudloff.com/2007/04/12/twitter-developer-calls-out-ruby-on-rails/
The speed of a Ruby on Rail site or horrible, the cost to scale one is also horrible. No one of any credibilty in the industry argues otherwise.
The summary: Levi Strauss made money by selling jeans to miners, not by trying to out-perform the miners. Microsoft seems to have lost faith in its OS, as they are going into operations themselves.
As Pointed out earlier, MySpace runs on ASP.NET. Also. DotNetNuke is a VERY popular open source platform based on ASP.NET. It has a large community, a lot of ISPs offer it, etc.
So while Microsoft doesn't have the same "coolness" factor as Google, they are quite relevant. Also, some of their offerings are more feature rich than Google, their Virtual Earth (or maybe it's Live Earth now or something) being one example. In my opinion, if there was a way to do an experiment of having them both release an IDENTICAL service, Google would get several times more coverage, and several times more users, just because they are the "cool brand".
I don't view Microsoft as evil. I saw Richard Stallman speak a long time ago, where he was asked about what he thought about MS. His response was as surprising as it was thought provoking - "They are just doing what ANY OTHER COMPANY would do in their place". I have been viewing them in that light ever since, which helped me gain a lot of perspective.
If Google owned the desktop OS and Office software markets, would they be aggressively marketing Google Apps?
The enterprise world does build with .Net. No question. But the web? It's LAMP. it's not a question of evil. It's a question of relevance. Microsoft is not very relevant on the web.
This really makes me question your credibility. You could easily be honest and say, "ASP.NET scales well too, but it is not relevant on the web" and still make your point. So now if I read your blog, I need to really check your facts, because you are going to omit tidbits just to make your point...especially if it is against Microsoft.
This does not strike me as being "Open". You are better than that, aren't you?
Now, the real question is why is ASP.NET not being used in the web? It is not a technical issue, as it is very successful in the enterprise and sites like Microsoft.com certainly prove it can handle a load. So it is not that ASP.NET needs fixed, it is that Microsoft needs to be able to market it to your "web" developers.
The cool startups you mention tend to not like Microsoft, and they do like free software. Microsoft is not cool to them, so they do not even consider their platform. That is the problem Microsoft needs to address....not some BS about scaling issues with ASP.NET.
See, that still feeds your argument and is pretty negative towards Microsoft at the same time.
Anyone believing that .Net has not been a bust on the web is completely out of touch with web technology as a whole. Even RoR is hotter than .Net as a web technology and it hasn't been out as long. I just recently put a friend to shame when he bragged about codeproject and had never checked out sourceforge or freshmeat. If .Net is your favorite platform thats nice but be real about its popularity.
- by jmateo2 March 5, 2008 5:04 PM PST
- I have to agree with Matt. Just looking at SourceForge stats I would say there is no competition.
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(17 Comments)February 2008 Downloads
DotNetNuke - 140,982
Typo3 - 60,433
Alfresco - 32,975
Mambo - 26,112
Clearly no one is using DotNetNuke.