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The company seems to be crippling the jailbreaking of iPhones with its new MacBooks, driving would-be jailbreakers to try...Windows.
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It's my phone. I dropped hundreds of dollars on it. I believe I should be able to do what I want with it (w/in reason) . Just b/c they created an insanely limiting user agreement doesn't mean I should like it. I bet the same people talking about how terrible it is to jailbreak an iPhone have their computers filled with MP3s or programs they got on some peer-to-peer site.
You can't just go back on your word. As I said above, that's immoral and wrong, no matter how much you might dislike it, and no matter how entitled you feel to do as you please.
As others have pointed out, what you *can* do is buy some other device from some other manufacturer, one with an agreement that you *do* like. If a sufficient number of people care enough to do that, you'll have created a market for such a device (one without the kind of agreement Apple is selling theirs under).
If you instead buy an iPhone and jailbreak it, not only have you done something immoral, you have also short-circuited the free market and damaged the incentive for others to create a competitor to the iPhone but without the restrictions you don't like.
See what I did there? Just because something can be used for the wrong reasons doesn't mean that you have to outlaw that action for everything. Fire has flames. Flames hurt people. LETS BAN FIRE!! Water causes drowning. Drowning sucks. LETS BAN WATER!! This is great guys, we can make the world so safe this way! No one will get hurt! Gravity causes people to fall. Falling hurts people. Lets ban gravity too!!! Air can contain toxic gases. Toxic gases hurts developers (and most others as well). Lets ban air. So far, we've gotten rid of water, fire, air, and gravity... ALL IN THE NAME OF FAIRNESS AND SAFETY!!
dukeoconnor... how could this world survive without your wonderous insight?!?! The world was such a dangerous place before you enlightened us with your glorious wisdom.
Seriously, people. Stop letting corporations (Apple, MS, and plenty of others are guilty of this) take away your rights. I'm sick of people letting companies like Apple bend them over and give it to them sideways and then having that customer turn around and say, "Please, sir, can I have some more?"
Ok, maybe that rant was a little harsh... but these comments of people sticking up for Apple are getting sickening and I just snapped...
Make it $200 with the same touchscreen, complete with Google Docs, Picasa, Talk, Calendar, Sketchup and desktop search on the Android platform and I'm there.
Meaningful and specific parts lists shall be included.
Cases shall be easy to open.
Batteries shall be replaceable.
Special tools are allowed only for darn good reasons.
Profiting by selling expensive special tools is wrong and not making special tools available is even worse.
Torx is OK; tamperproof is rarely OK.
Components, not entire sub-assemblies, shall be replaceable.
Consumables, like fuses and filters, shall be easy to access.
Circuit boards shall be commented.
Power from USB is good: power from proprietary power adapters is bad.
Standard connecters shall have pin-outs defined.
If it snaps shut, it shall snap open.
Screws better than glues.
Docs and drivers shall have permalinks and shall reside for all perpetuity at archive.org.
Ease of repair shall be a design deal, not an afterthought.
Metric or standard, not both.
Schematics shall be included.
http://makezine.com/04/ownyourown/
"If you can't open it, you don't own it."
It's one thing to say your warranty is voided or to put in something that says you cant sue them for damages from anything you do to your phone, but to flat-out make sure you have to go through them for apps? It's all about the money.
People that wanna jailbreak their phone understand it might make the phone break. Modding anything has that risk. But to be able to personalize their phone is what's wanted and they are willing. Dont support them if it breaks their phones. Tell them there's a list of approved apps at this location. If it breaks, tell em theyre SoL. But to take those types of preventative actions just means they want you to put more money in their pocket.
"We didnt make this phone so that others can make money!"
you are hilarious lol
Before you go and get the children's underwear all up in a bunch ... I think you should seriously think about this "special build for new macbooks" idea. Not a likely scenario. More likely, an existing, unspoken ability in the iPhone, and a hardware requirement or trigger.
Just how many of you actually use jail-broken iPhones!? Not many if any of you commenting I bet!! So you are complaining about absolutely nothing!!
Everyone who jail breaks knows to expect zero support. Period. And they do expect the door to get slammed shut, while the relying on the people who provided the jail break to open the door again. This is the very nature of what they are doing, and the people with jail-phones KNOW THIS. If you don't you're an idiot and should end yourself (getting tired of people that are actually that stupid).
So what are the complaints about? Ummmm oh, nothing!
What door shut? I have been jailbreaking since I bought the phone...nothing has ever gone wrong. Why would anyone shut any door? if something shall go wrong, just restore. Regardless, there's no way for anyone to find out your phone was jailbroken once you've restored.
Summarizing WHY you do something usually means you're going to include actual information.... like, oh, i dunno... like WHY its awesome?
Windows is an OS. Mac OSX is an OS. Linux... well... linux is a kernel used in various OSes, but for simplicity sakes I'll say its an OS. They all do the same thing differently. To each their own. One is NOT better than the other. Is one OS better for a specific task? Maybe. Will one better suit someone's preferences?? Sure.
The reason people love bashing on apple lovers is because they blindly protect their company. People who like Windows will not hesitate to call out MS when they do something crappy. Even when various Linux distributions do something the customer base doesn't like, they complain. Sometimes, the various companies (and yes, even microsoft... though not as much) will actually LISTEN to the customers and change their product and VOILA - it improves. But for some reason, Apple has somehow enslaved the minds of so many that no matter what they put out, their loyal followers will defend it to their last dying breath, even if it sucks ass. I don't care if you like Apple more or think Apple is better. Just have the guts to stand up and say they make mistakes or point out when they've done something not in their customers' best interest. Apple is fallible. Steve Jobs is not a god. The iPhone is not the best phone out there (maybe it is for you, but it doesn't match everyones needs). Do I own an iPhone 3G? Yes. Do I like it more than any other phone I've had? For the most part. Does it annoy the hell out of me that they couldn't solve the problem of how to send and receive an mms when most phones have had this capability for years??
You're allowed to have a problem with something you like. Its not all or nothing. I like my iPhone, but I realize it has huge flaws. I hate that the App Store is so closed. Maybe if they didn't censor the apps and anyone could sell it, I'd be less upset, but they're trying to control what I can and can't do with my phone and what I can and can't put on it. That bothers me. If I find another alternative than I'll switch. The G1 is too new, but I'm hoping more phones pick it up so in the future I can get a better, more polished version of the OS.
Plus, almost all of these posts are why Apple isn't all that great. Not many people here are defending MS. Most of what I said is that Apple is just as bad, if not worse than Microsoft.
Just stop being blind and giving away your freedoms so freely. I don't care if you do give them up, but at least be angry about not having a better option. Pls kthx.
Nah. The reason Apple users get bashed is that they often seem smug and a little self-righteous.
That and the fact that there are immature and ill-informed people out there to do the Apple-user-bashing. Very little consideration is ever given (by either side) to the fact that the other side might have a point.
thank you very much, very well put
I love my iPhone. I love my Mac. But there are apps that are not available in the App Store. My most expensive apps are not available in the App Store! I would have been happy to have bought them via iTunes, but Apple wouldn't bless them - so I had to jailbreak my phone - and Apple didn't get their 30%.
Likewise when I couldn't afford a new Mac Pro (because the price is not competitive), I learned to install OS X on PC hardware.
Apple is cutting their nose off to spite their face.
I was on the Mac development team at Apple in the early 80's. I've worked there 3 times. I bleed in 6 colors. (The former Apple logo had 6 colors.) My family will tell you I am Apple-brainwashed... but I am typing this on an ASUS A8N motherboard running OS X 10.5.5 (very well, I might add) and I have a jailbreaked iPhone.
Preventing me from using my jailbreak phone on the new Macbook simply means I will have one less Apple logo in my backpack - and Apple will have one less computer sale.
Steve [Jobs], pull your head out!
I've been using Apple products since 1980, but I still won't buy an iPhone or iPod because Jobs still won't let me live my life my way...and I'm holding off on my next computer update for the very same reason.
If I buy a product, I OWN IT! It is time for each of us to appeal to our Legislators to return OUR RIGHTS to US. This country was founded by INDIVIDUALS, not Corporations, but somehow Corporations have become the "government" from which our founding fathers set out to protect us.
Until the laws are corrected, our resource is to boycott that seller of any product that does not SERVE US. If Corporations want our money, and they do want it, they must provide the product WE DEMAND, not the one they provide us. Do not buy any product that does not serve you, even if it means you have to go back to paper and pen. It won't take long for reality to set in on the "KoolAid-dealing" corporations that "the customer is always right".
I love it.
Jailbreaking iPhones takes advantage of security holes on the iPhone.
Apple, in making a more secure iPhone, closes security holes. Simple.
Of course, this blocks Jailbreaking until the hackers are able to find another security hole to exploit.
But all they are doing is simply identifying security holes to Apple. This is great for Apple. Again, this allows Apple to make more secure iPhones.
I believe the vast majority of iPhone users want security. I certainly do.
Soon they will implement the same thing in iTunes for PC.
NOTE however that the original jailbreaking routines did NOT rely on iTunes being there. They can connect to the iPhone DIRECTLY.
Thus, this whole story is just one red herring.
All hackers have to do is write their own routine to recognize the iPhone in DFU mode WITHOUT iTunes. Simple.
If you understand the details of jailbreaking so much that you consider it "simple", you wouldn't have made the silly comments about this somehow having to do with security.
I have been using Apple products since 1997, they do what I want, when I want it, their not perfect, nothing much is, but they work fine for me. i am happy to pay my money over to Apple and use their products as i want. I am more than happy to agree to their terms because their side of the bargain is the products just work, when I have had problems they have usually resolved them for me because I havent broken the rules.
I don't believe those who say they have bought a product and can do anything they want with it. All manufactures have T&C, if you break them (and you made an agreement at the time of purchase) they then have the right to refuse to help or repair your equipment, but hay, thats your choice.
The vast majority of people buy their products and services and use them exactly as they came out of the box. A small minority of people want to make items do things they where not designed for (remember a huge amount of time, energy and money goes into designing a product to be functional, safe to use and comply with legislation from all around the world). Any business that wants to succeed must listen to the vast majority of its clients. It is never going to please all the people all the time. People vote with their wallets.
I also fail to understand the dislike for Apple. I don't see people writing in about those that choose to drive a Toyota instead of a Ford, or wear Wrangles instead of Levi, pepsi instead of Coke. I thought it was only in Britain that we try to bring down success.
Why do people fail to recognize that?
People don't bring down Toyota or Ford, etc. because the people that drive those things aren't smug about it and say, "Oh, its obviously better. Don't try telling me brand X is better. I've used both, so I'm not biased, but this is the obvious better choice, no question." I have no problem with people liking Apple, but I do have a problem when people fail to realize that Apple does some pretty ****** stuff that really is actually bad if you're a certain kind of person. Fine, if you have no problem with DRM, monopolies, and extremely restrictive methods that *do* minimize what you're able to do with a product that you purchased, fine. To each their own. But some of us really despise that practice and honestly maybe would like to use a Mac but they're practices are just too self-serving and greedy that we can't stand it.
I have no problem with people having preferences. Its when they consider themselves some sort of elitists for liking it or assume that they have the obvious better choice in ALL CASES which just isn't true.
Back on the subject at hand, I'll do whatever I want to a phone so long as I paid for it. If you want to give me rules, then pay for my service and my phone. I suppose you think the latest intellectual property laws are ethical as well huh? Try telling that to some struggling young student. Slaves, slaves, slaves. The fact that any of you have the guts to call anyone else unethcial when you are dealing with some of the worst cases of ethics known that occur within these corporations is amazing. How naive are you? Let me guess, your also the ones who support warrantless eavesdropping and security cameras on every utility pole because "if your not doing anything wrong, then you have nothing to hide". Keep in mind that is the quote of the mindless that will be responsible for the destruction of the constitution and our once precious freedoms. By the way, once they're gone, they don't come back.