Comments on: Drone aircraft may prowl U.S. skies

Can unmanned aerial vehicles doing domestic surveillance safely share the skies with airplanes?
Photos: Unmanned aircraft keep watch

[sayhi-gripnchic]

Times are getting crazy!

I don't know for certon if athoritys have thought about this much.I wont to leave my childern with a better land than I have and that my father had.The problem today is that WE THE PEOPLE OF THESE UNITED STATES have been to lazy, or to frusterated with our gov.to get involved.As a resalt,we have given to much power to the gov. as a hole!!!DON'T LET THIS HAPPEN!!!!!!I don't wont anyone,esp. the police,to be watching my every move.I would love to ask someone responable"Who do you think you are!?What gives you the right to serv.all inorder to catchy the few?"The problem with that is that noone in paticuler is responsable.There for noone is held accuntable if these aircraft are used for the rough resons.America,ARE YOU BLIND!?

[Average-Joe]

My reasons for concern...

1. Citizen's won't know they are being surveiled, so citizen oversight cannot exist. Who will report the impact of this program to LAC citizens?

I can see and hear a manned helicopter, so I know it is up there above my house. A LAC resident will have no idea that the government is above their house zooming in on them, and this could be for a sustained period of time. So, a citizen has no idea they are being surveilled. If a helicopter is shinning its bright light on my home for a sustained period of time, then I'll know about it and have the opportunity to petitition my government for redress of gievances).

2. Not currently feasible to monitor citizens unless probably cause is established. However, that will change.

It is extremely expensive and difficult to patrol the city 24/7 with a manned helicopter. These drones currently cost $30K a piece, and that price will go down. Within a few years it will not be out of the question to have dozens, or perhaps, hundreds of these things circling the sky watching all aspects of daily life. So, it will be feasible to surveil entire areas of the city on a 24/7 basis. With no one even knowing about it. This is not possible now. Helicopters are prohibitively expensive, so they are utilized in a limited fashion - say, for chasing suspects. But with these drones, the budgetary constraints are lifted and therefore probable cause will not necessarily be a limiting factor any longer.

3. Will inter-department checks and balances be implemented?

How is a county legislative body going to monitor the Sheriff's use of these drones? How will local legislators know that they are being used AFTER probable cause has been established. Will the Sheriff be required to obtain a warrant before they can fly surveillance missions over the homes of "suspects," where search warrants were not obtained or obtainable? Who will oversee the use of these devices? What standards will the Sheriff have to meet before they can fly a drone over a given area of the city? Who will create these standards? Where are the checks and balances?

4. This can be used to monitor local gov't officials as well.

What if someone other than the current Sheriff comes to power. Let's say George Bush III becomes the next Sheriff in town and he decides to use these silent, always pervasive flying eyes to "get dirt" on the local gov't officials. Who will be there to stop this activity? Will the folks that oversee the program have the power to curtail it?

If gov't officials are going to seriously evaluate implementing these new technologies, they need to make sure they can closely limit their use and manage their downside risk. If they are going to use them to help law enforcement catch bad guys, where a warrant exists or probable cause has been established, then great. But this technology is incredibly enticing, and it will be easy to justify expanding its use. What gov't officials have to do is make sure that any expansion of its use is publicly discussed and decided upon within the appropriate governmental body, because it will be very easy for law enforcement to use this technology however they see fit.

[joshxdavis]

What are you talking about? What could we have done to avoid this? Vote?

hahahhahhahahha!!!!!!!!!!

[tree_man]

A MAJOR HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATION!

Please little white crackers, stop pushing big brother

[tree_man]

SHOOT THEM DOWN OR LOOSE FREEDOM

even if they do have practical use for natonal security, they dont have business flying in the aspect of everyones lives, i dont give a hoot how religious and forgiving you are.....

[Alan Sinsel]

aerial refueling of unmanned aerial systems

The article by Ms. McCullagh is spot on but late to the party. A look overseas will show that Europe is taking the lead to get Unmanned Aerial "Systems" (the use of "Vehicles" is old school today in this industry) into airspace over the countries of the European Union. As usual the control of U.S. airspace by manned aviation is being fought for by FAA and Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association who both are so set in there old ways could mean that the unmanned aviation world will pass us by. Unless we in this new industry of unmanned aviation take the offense and fight them for our piece of the sky the new lucrative markets will be lost for years to this very new industry. Soon aerial refueling will be taking place over the skies of the world to keep such unmanned cost competitive systems air-born days or weeks at a time due to the new technologies of engine bearings soon coming to market. I have been working on this aerial refueling technology for the past couple of years that will allow the refueling of even the smallest unmanned aviation systems to be refueled in mid-air at airspeeds below 150 knots. There's money to be made in this industry a lot of it by flying such systems, this industry is moving at light speed. AOPA and FAA will try to hold back this technology while the rest of the world flies past us it is ingrained to there old ways of thinking and who they serve. I only hope that the unmanned industry gets it's lobbyist ready to do battle against these two monoliths of aviation past who will try again to control of people's airspace. How aviation business by unmanned aviation "systems" will be done in this country and the world is now being fought out on capital hill. There's a new kid on the block. Game On.

[Mark Sudela]

aerial drones over Texas

I've been observing moving objects over southeast Texas for quite some time. Only recently did learn they were drones. After some research, I realized how extensively they've been used. For instance, back in 1995, Ellington Airbase, which is about 5 to 10 miles east of my residence, replaced an entire squadron of F-18's with a dozen UAV's. Recently, one that looks remarkably like one mentioned on the internet shows up every morning, not only very huge in size, but at the exact time each time. It also leaves at the exact time each day. I have observed commercial airliners comeing quite close to this one. Until a friend told me about drones, I really did think I was observing UFO's. My family thought I had lost my mind or the ability to see properly. Sincerely, Mark Sudela

[42volcan]

I live in the drone capital of the US Southern Arizona is the training area for the loudest drones on the planet. The constantly fly during the day for 8 hours and the training drones are very noisy. My neighbors say that it is the priced of freedom and I should accept the loss of peace and quiet. I moved to remote area to get away from the city noise. The real estate agent made no mention of the noisy planes. I hate drones and want to move to the Texas coast. I heard that there are drones in that part of the US too. What is going on

[sbsesq]

Twinkling hovering laser cloaked objects in the sky. Bright white with little flashes of color. Others blue-green. Adjusting binocular focus at one end expands them to what looks like the riffling of a gun barrell that pulses. Bringing into sharper focus looks like a ball of static electricity, again pulsing, and with some color; however, inside the ball is the shadow at a certain focal point of a strange looking helicopter or other arial vehicle that seems to move on a horizontal axis. . IIn the middle of the range the image can be concentrated to a laser hot pulsing light too bright to watch but momentarily. These things can remain stationary for long periods of time but do seem to drift somewhat while they appear to be fairly stationary. Some nights there is an entire constellation of them seemingly a mile or so apart in a grid over the city. What are they, what are they doing? Any technical information and photographs would be appreciated. post a link

[observantbynature23]

Great description. If there's no reason for Govt or LLE to be spending taxpayer's dollars on you and you have a pending lawsuit against someone with big money - you may want to look at LE or Govt. employees who are moonlighting for well financed PI agency.

Get a video camera then contact the Feds.

[mustangstevegt]

I saw it too! I ran across your post during a google search. What are these? I saw it this past winter overseas. They were exactly as you described. They form a grid pattern. Every now and then, one or more will move as if to adjust its position. They seemed to change color constantly. As you said, they stay still for a while and then move, then stay stationary in another position. I saw this in late 2008 around October/November over Iraq.

[joshxdavis]

We do not need this. This is so scary. This scares the **** out of me. There is NO REASON to have this type of technology. What happened to privacy? It has infared/thermal/whatever vision that can see inside your little houses. This is like Fahrenheit 451.

[Shadow6900]

This is no longer America, it has become Amerika.

There is no privacy, it is the nightmare of George Orwell's 1984 and when I can I will leave this country
and find some South pacific to live on.

[jetmech1121]

goverment will not be happy till we all have locaters in our ass.call your reps in congress.this unacceptable to a free society. they have used 9/11 as an excuse to treat americas whole population as criminals.this technology can be seriously misused and eventually will. remember NSA is still listening to us.dont be sheep. its probably too late.