Comments on: Wal-Mart readies large-scale move into solar power

The retail giant requests proposals for solar power systems that could be installed in its U.S. stores.
Photos: Sun, wind and used cooking oil

[hal Summers]

Go Walmart!

I am not a big fan of Walmart. The stores are too big, they stock
a TON of junk, the employees are not very helpful and the
lighting hurts my eyes. That's not to mention their various
nefarious business practices.

But I will give credit where credit is due. It is great to see the
country's largest retailer look to go solar. Such a move is good
for the environment, will bring down the prices of solar for
consumers, bring a lot of press to this issue and save them
money in the long run.

I was also heard on NPR yesterday that they are going to really
start pushing compact florescents hard in order to get
customers buy these energy saving bulbs.

I never would suspect I would say this but: Way to go, Walmart!

Now can you work on paying your employees a decent wage?

[Daysha at Hoovers]

Wal-Mart's CFL Push

"I was also heard on NPR yesterday that they are going to really start pushing compact florescents hard in order to get customers buy these energy saving bulbs."

According to Ann Law's post, both Walmart and GE have launched "energy smart" plans to promote the use of CFL's, which are reported to use 75% less energy.

Her post is here: http://www.bizmology.com/2007/01/19/seeing-cfls-in-a-new-light/

[jp10293847]

Fantastic!!!

That's enough energy to support nearly 90,000 homes. It's really great to see a big company actually doing something positive for the environment.

[libertyforall1776]

Nice, but WM needs permeable surface sans asphault....

"Instead of asphalt, permeable surfaces are made of stones laid
out in various patterns with gravel between them. Below the
bricks typically sits several feet of gravel.

The gravel filters out the oil, gas and gunk from cars and trucks,
cleaning the water before it enters the ground.

Proponents say their permeable system will absorb every drop of
water that falls on it, even during the heaviest storms ?
eliminating all runoff.

In addition, it is packed with micro-organisms that feast on all
the grit and grime that falls on it.

While the costs are about 20 to 30 percent more than asphalt,
the parking lot will conceivably last for half a century, unlike the
five- to 10-year life span of asphalt driveways, lots and roads.

Because the water is completely absorbed by the permeable
surface ? no matter how hard it rains ? this approach makes
ditches, drains and sewer pipes unnecessary.

That means that in many cases, after a few decades ? or sooner
depending how quickly the asphalt is replaced ? a permeable
surface will prove cheaper than asphalt."

See:
http://www.dailyherald.com/search/searchstory.asp?id=265227

From:
New ?asphalt? really better?
New surface preserves aquifers, slows runoff and is cleaner,
proponents say

By Patrick Garmoe
Daily Herald Staff Writer
Posted Monday, January 01, 2007

[Lindy01]

Nice but

For the love of god....some people are so negative. Walmarts are big....and they are everywhere. The total electric bill for all walmarts probably is more than New York City.

If they put these things up on all of their stores it would be a huge boost to solar energy and the enviroment. Sure your "permeable" surfaces are great to....buts let just take a moment and appluad Walmart for doing some good for this planet we live on.

[Blito]

5 Megwwatts from a Solar Plant. Pretty good

That's about how many Megawatts from a regular electrical plant. If it's cost effective why use nuclear?

[jp10293847]

To answer your question...

Wal-mart proposes to install 100 MW of solar power in total (spread over many sites). A typical nuclear or thermal plant produces around 3000 MW (i.e. 30x as much energy) at a single site. Wal-mart's move is a good start, but it's going to take a lot more than this to make a major impact on our dependence on coal and nuclear.

[eeemang]

diversion? Good Neighbor while being Bad

-A great many people do not consider WM a good corporate friend; this is self serving to take advantage of Fed Tax breaks to increase profits.
-RFP prob specifies "non-union" labor preferred.
-How ironic that WM is now pushing this while continuing to deny workers health insurance or allowing them to unionize to bargain for benefits such as health insurance while sitting on hundreds of billions of dollars in profits.
-Seemingly a good neighbor on one hand with solar energy initiatives while being cruel to low wage employees who must work 2 jobs to support their families because of WM's caps on the number of hours worked each week.

[orphu]

You know...

1) It's in the best interest of WM to increase profits. In case you've forgotten, it is a capitalistic entity in a capitalistic country

2) Have you worked in a union shop lately? Both my parents did & both my wife and I do, and I can tell you, unions aren't what they used to be or were intended to be. I'd take non-union labor over union labor any day of the week

3) Sure, employees may be denied health insurance, etc. Who the hell says they have to work there. Perhaps I'm crazy, but anytime I've felt I needed better compensation, I CHANGED JOBS!! What a freakin' concept...

Oh, & solar power is good for the environment :-)

Later, Komrade

[Seaspray0]

Cost effective green energy

While this looks great on the surface (and I do applaud Walmart for considering it), there are alternatives to solar cells that are much more cost effective. While it's not as "pretty" as a row of solar cells, focusing sunlight into a sterling engine will generate power for a much lower cost per kwatt. Wind powered generators also produce electricity at a lower cost per kw. As well as power their stores, Walmart can also provide products to the masses. Have you ever seen a solar oven? On a sunny weekend, you can grill up some burgers or hot dogs in a flash with one of these (no more charcoal, lighter fluid, greenhouse fumes). Need to recharge your cell phone? You can do it with solar. It's products like this that will enhance their reputation as a green company along with powering their stores.

Hey, cnet, how about a story on solar technology for the masses... solar ovens, phone chargers, solar radios, pc chargers... what's out there today?

[disco-legend-zeke]

Wal Mart is EVIL

First, wal mart broke federal anti-trust laws in order to kill off all competition in local markets.

Now, wal mart squeezes its workers and suppliers, even paying such low wages that Walmart workws in many states are also receiving food stamps and medicaid.

Wal mart has moved millions of american jobs overseas, if they could figure out a way to import $10 a day chinese workers to install all that solar power collection, they would.

[richelles]

Wrong-Wrong_Wrong

If, and that is a BIG if, that were so Walmart would have been called to the bar of justice for the crime. So having disposed of the first big lie the next is Walmart has many workers who do not receive food stamps and medicaid. They get paid by what they are worth which would mean this carrier of falsehoods would receive no pay at all. And finally conjecture about importing $10 a day people is just showing how ignorant this writer ac actually is. Disaco=legend shows a complete lack of intelligence to expect people to accect stupid lies as the facts.

[minitrue]

power-tower over the whole parking lot

set up a clear vinyl tent over the whole place,
including the twenty acre parking lot. At the top, a turbine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_updraft_tower

Benefits:

1: simplicity

2: "indoor parking" -- no longer will walmart
shoppers have to risk getting wet btwn their
cars and the door

drawbacks:

1: unknown how a huge 10mil clear plastic sheet
will handle midwestern winds and microbursts

[franswas]

Wal-Mart & Solar Power

Great news, great article, great writer (he is my son, what else can I say?)

[Jerry Sorgento]

Wal-Mart readies large-scale move into solar power

When Wal-Mart makes their decision to install solar energy on their store locations, they should consider contracting with local solar installers instead of working with the mega-installers who are not rooted in those communities. I believe that this would be in keeping with Wal-Mart's business philosphy.