Comments on: Did the Sea of Galilee ice over 2,000 years ago?

Doron Nof, an oceanographer at Florida State University, offers an explanation for walking on water in the Sea of Galilee.

[CentrOS]

Dr, the reason religious people are not commenting is...

... that we're still ROLLING ON THE FLOOR LAUGHING OUR
COMBINED ***** OFF.

[LandMineHare]

I would laugh too...

if I was simple-mined enough to blindly follow a church which has
a history of lying and changing the "facts" to try and woo more
followers, which equals more money.


Tool.

[BruceLawrence]

Time Continuum

How can this guy be considered credible? While trying to figure out what happened 2009 years ago he can't even figure out that April 1st was 2 weeks ago.

His brain is being affected by that flux capacitor helmet he's wearing.

[LandMineHare]

Moo

Wow... Someone had a nerve struck.

Why not, you know, instead of complaining... Try to debunk his
information with your own facts?

[Curmudge]

Handy ad homenims

Negative emails are from "extremists," as if only those who
agree or remain silent are normal folks. How handy for him.

Prof. Nof isn't getting negative emails because of his theory that
Springs Ice might have occasionionally formed near shore of the
Sea of Galilee 2000 years ago. The trouble is that he's using
that to "bust" the biblical account of Jesus walking on water.

That's where his science has been left behind, to be replaced
with a grade-schooler's skill-level of application. He's not
"miracle busting" as he boasted to a Washington Post reporter.
He's only busting a straw man of his own construction. That's
why he's not being taken seriously by those in serious science.

The miracle he claims to be explaining, as recorded in the the
gospels of Matthew 14, Mark 6 and John 6, all tell of high winds
and waves -- not conducive to his non-mixing plume. They also
place the action out in the middle of the lake, not near shore.
Those renaissance paintings of Jesus standing on a tranquil
ripply pond are not even close to accurate portrayls of the
recorded events.

How can someone be taken seriously for busting a miracle
account when it's clear that he's not at all well informed on the
event he's busting?

Nof is no victim of "extremists". He's just a science guy who is
publicly debunking his own flawed mental images. Perhaps his
collegues are quiet out of embarrassment for him.

[LandMineHare]

Touched by a priest lately?

I think he said "Most of the e-mails are negative e-mails from
extremists".

Have you been reading his e-mails? I'd think the guy reading the e-
mail would have a better opinion on if they are extremists or not
than someone chastising him for having an opinion based on
relative scientific evidence rather than a fantasy book.

[steed]

thoughful answer is the best

When I heard of the idea that Jesus walked on ice out to the disciples who were in a boat being buffeted by the wind; I thought what a miracle. Jesus good on the ice as well as water.

It is sad that He did not take all the facts. and then proceed with his effort.

By the way I have heard that his Red Sea idea may have have better credibility. It was a strong wind and God brought them to the place he knew before had a good place to cross.

[pokeyzoe]

It doesn't add up

Matthew 14:23b-24
"When evening came, He was there alone, but the boat was already a considerable distance from land, buffeted by the waves because the wind was against it."

These conditions don't sound like the ones needed to form "spring ice" like Dr. Nof said.

[LandMineHare]

The bible ALSO says...

That women should be avoided when they are having their cycle,
and if you touch them you become unclean.

What REALLY doesn't add up is how people can pick and choose
what parts of the bible suit them best, and then discard everything
else.

I'm sure Jebus also said that drugs are bad.

[rleon]

The true is...

...man don`t want another man to come and tell him what to do
or not. Why do you have to live the way somebody else decided
it? So, civil law was not enough to control the savages, so they
made this "God" the one who is in charge of your "after-life" "If
You don`t behave, You will die forever" in other words, the
powerfull thretens your trascendency, this way they don`t get
robbed, the keep the power and control of the mortals. The
prove is that all religions orders you not to kill, no to steal, no
to... the same thing (in different levels) but the scence is the
same. So there is only one god, and is the same for
everyreligion... "the all mighty power."
Wars because of god have being the fight for power, god is the
excuse that the popet master uses to justify its thirst for more
power. Even Bush included god in its war intinerary.
I do believe that everyone and each of us, have the right to
believe in whtever he or she chooses, and just the way I like to
have respect to my belief, I respect other peoples opinion, so the
autor has the right to think the way he does, now, if we believe
or not in what he says, that is our choice.

[Curmudge]

opinion is not science

"I respect other peoples opinion, so the
autor has the right to think the way he does, now, if we believe
or not in what he says, that is our choice."

Science claims to speak about objective facts, testable by all, not
personal opinions. Nof cites objective facts, such as temperature
and possible phenomena. He interjects those facts into an
historical event, recorded in objectively available texts. He's not
talking opinions, he's supposing an objective theory based on
facts.

The trouble is, his facts do not support his conclusion.

And, the evolution (ex nihlo) of religions from social pragmatism
is also just a theory, one which has many critics and troubles of
its own, but that's another topic.

[gerhard_schroeder]

c|net shows its Kook Fringe credentials, again!

Wow, c|net must really be getting desperate if this is what they resort to for "news" now...

Its a joke... speculation about Jesus is a non-starter at best, and at worst, shows anti-christian bias.

Maybe c|net would care to run some stories about the prophet Mohammed and all the reasons why he is fake... In the name of Atmospheric Science or Oceanography, of course!

[gerhard_schroeder]

Q for c|net - Is Mohammed fake?

Dear c|net,

I would like you to launch a new "scientific investigation" as to whether or not the prophet Mohammed is fake.

I'm sure you can get the required Climatologists, Topologists, Marine Biologists, etc.

Thanks!

[motalarashid]

The Prophet Mohammed

Western non muslim authors have said that Mohammed was the greatest man who ever lived and from an unlettered man unable to read or write he was able to spread Islam to such an extent that today therer are more Muslims than there are Chinese in the world and 1 in every 4 humans is Muslim.
How then can you even ask the Question "Is Mohammed fake?"?

[globalfxmarket]

Is Mohammed fake?

Well actually, Mohammed is not fake, but all that he pretended to be was fake. That is, he was certainly NOT a prohet of God. He is not even in the lineage required to be a final prohpet of God. In fact, he was no more than a war lord and military savage. He was too interested in marrying 6-9 year old girls, and having people serve him. He couldn't even read and write, and no writings were put together until many years after his suspicious death, in which case, his followers all had a massive fight and didn't know what to do next. Typical of a disorderly system - certainly not typical of a true God centred religion. Everyone can see that Islam is just a pagan religion, which tries to supress the real truth about the real Christ (Messiah), Jesus our Lord, and tries to instill fear into everyone. Without this violent fear, no one would ever believe in this contradictory, ridiculous and even foolish religion.

We used to be Muslims, until we studied the origins and questioned the root of the faith, which I may admit, was afaith invain.

[Earl Benser]

Hey CNET, no one cares....

This 'claim' impresses no one, proves nothing, and at best only
serves to fire up the lunatic fringe.

We need better from you than this.....

[Earl Benser]

Hey CNET, no one cares....

This 'claim' impresses no one, proves nothing, and at best only
serves to fire up the lunatic fringe.

We need better from you than this.....

[JackfromBerkeley]

Fresh water is heavier than sea water, not lighter

Reality means nothing to myth mongers. This is the stupidest
thing I have ever heard regarding the Jesus myth. Why this story
ever made it past any editor is beyond me.

[Earl Benser]

Fresh water is LIGHTER than sea water....

.... as any physics book will prove to you.