Comments on: Will emotion or policy drive clean-tech movement?

Steve Westly and Kevin Klustner say government support needed for economic playing field to be level and post-petroleum economy to take shape.

[Troll Hard]

Emotion will clean up

because there is nothing logical about environmentalism and environmentalists who think with their emotions instead of logic.

They will use their emotions to try to clean up the environment, and because they do, it will fail and so will their policy.

Global warming theory is based on fear and anger which are emotions, and not logic. It is also based on secular humanism and secular progressivism, and not science.

Environmentalist and left-wingers in general think with their emotions, and not logic, which is why people perceive them as being dumb.

[billmosby]

Sad but true.

Just look at the economic and human carnage caused by one facet
of leftist thought back there in the 20th century- call it
progressivism, socialism, whatever other names it has had.

[maxink]

your "logic" is flawed

First of all, environmentalists are worried about global warming
because the VAST majority of the scientific community,
including some of the most brilliant minds on this planet, agree
that it is real. To have a moral and ethical responsibility to this
planet is everyones obligation more than it is an emotional
persuasion.

Secondly, Climate change is not a theory at all. There is
unbiased and irrefutable scientific data that proves that it is
happening right now. Pay attention to global weather patterns
and you will see this for yourself and if you don't see it, try
reading some scholarly periodicals. Approximately 97% of the
scientific community agree that climate change is as real as
gravity (you do believe in gravity right) and the 3% or so that
refute it are in the pocket of big oil.

Lastly, environmentalism should not be a left wing term. If our
planet becomes inhospitable it effects every one of us on our
planet. Money, politics, power, and everything else are
contingent to the fact that we are able to exist at all.

This is not a hippie-dippy issue. We all must do what is right
to solve climate change. It is logic that should be driving your
emotions

[cturkin]

Who has the fear

"Global warming theory is based on fear and anger which are emotions"

Actually I think the fear is the other way around. Global warming denial, and your claims about illogical behaviour are driven by a fear of having to change, compromise or give something up. That's where the fear is.. You can read more about this topic on http://www.talkclimatechange.com

[zeeboid]

Perhaps they should just pay carbon credits like Gore

Or they could confess their sins to a Church of Global Warming priest:

http://www.churchofglobalwarming.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=34&Itemid=42

[cturkin]

The problem is that we ignore the true cost..

"If we ignore environmental and geopolitical costs, coal, oil and natural gas are still relatively inexpensive and are likely to remain so for a long time."

And that's the problem. In using these cheap sources of energy we are ignoring the true cost of thier use, and leaving it to someone else to pay the cost of cleaning up.

Only if we have a "user pays" solution can markets be truely effective.

Good post here on the pro's & con's of a user pays solution to climate polution http://talkclimatechange.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=58

[zeeboid]

"True Cost" is just a wealth relocation

True cost of something is what you pay.... not what the govenrment wants to take from you in addation to what you pay.

[nextcube]

Make a business case, don't pass a law

Improving energy efficiency has one HUGE advantage over any kind of "carbon tax" or whatever - there's a business case for it WITHOUT GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION. Promote it, publicize it, show people the numbers and they'll go this way all on their own.

[Penguinisto]

Heh...

"[i]California has adopted meaningful energy efficiency initiatives for the past 30 years and the state's per capita energy consumption has remained flat compared with a 50 percent jump for the rest of the nation[/i]"

...and the term "rolling Black/Brown-outs" is also more common in California than in the rest of the United States.

QED, I wouldn't count on gov't regulation or any kind of Wunderkind-style environmentalism for keeping California's energy consumption "flat"...

/P