Comments on: Are VentureOne's three wheels better than four?

Venture Vehicles, yet another entry in the alternative-car market, plans a motorcycle-car crossbreed to market in 2009.
Photos: Rollin' with a three-wheeler

[AZEqualizer]

I want two

And I can't wait to see the final design. The Carver has that unfinished look. Venture should be coming out with their updated design pictures soon and I can't wait. I've wanted a jet fighter type Motorcycle since the Jim Bede built the BD-200. But this one is cooler since it's tilting isn't restricted, it has HVAC,lots of car safety features, gets great mileage and is green.... And it's FUN

[duggerdm]

Good - you can have mine. Tthe one I wouldn't buy..

"No." three wheels aren't better than four. There's over a hundred years of design evolution that has asked this question repeatedlyand it has been answered over and over. Three wheelers have been around since the invention of the automobile and they have yet to solve enough problems to make a market for themselves that can qualify as anything beyond novelty. This vehicle solves few if any problems for the majority of US drivers. It functions as a limited commuter at best. It has almost no utility and is likely to be comparatively unstable and unsafe compared to four wheelers of the same weight class. Another fad-mobile - green or not. Its only re-inventing the wheel - three at a time.

[GrandpaN1947]

At that price

I can still buy a decent sized, comfortable, safe Toyota for less money. After all, you're talking to the SUV generation at that price.

[AZEqualizer]

??Price =SUV??

The projected Price of the Venture Vehicle is about the same price of most high end Motorcycle touring machines. The projected prices I have seen in the press are 18-24k depending on the model. And you get to use the HOV lane since it is classed a motorcycle. How many of those SUV's are going to get over 100mpg?

[gthurman]

Tilting cycle

A 3 wheel tilting motorcycle was invented by a General Motors engineer about 15 years ago. It was unusual becuase the rear wheel of a regular motorcycle was replaced by a pair of smaller wheels that allowed it to remain upright when stopped. I think it had a full body shield to protect from bad weather. It was a hobby, never intended for production. I think I saved the article.

[theBike45]

What a Fraud

I notice they kep calling this thing a car, that is, until they talk to the Feds about
safety issues - they then call it a motorcyle and
avoid safety regulations. A more accurate nomenclature would be the "Rolling twin seat coffin." I'm amazed that this media outlet would conspire to push these death traps onto an unsuspecting public, especially the senior citizens who these "vehicles' are obviously aimed at.

[RememberEZ]

Regardless of cost, risk, etc.

Regardless of what a vehicle costs, how safe it is, etc., if a consumer buys one, they probably want to be able to keep it.

Other things improve, speed, flash, etc, but what about the ability to secure and keep a vehicle? How long have we been using toggle keys? How secure are they? A family member, while on vacation, rented a car. At some point, stopped at Walmart and locked the keys in the car. Fifth person they asked, that owned the same type of car, was able to use the other car's keys to open the rental car.

Would a consumer like to be able to make their own keys, anytime, anyplace, at very little, if any cost, and have the keys for her/his car work for no other car and vice versa?

http://RememberEZ.blogspot.com

[spothannah]

Yeah, but what COLOR is it?

As long as you're going to make these, my question is what is the Albedo of the paint that you use to coat the surface?

[acampbell333]

3-Wheelers are selling

ZAP has been able to sell several hundred of its 3-wheel Xebras. I think this is a smart way to expand the niche without making a vehicle that is prohibitively expensive. A mom in Arizona uses one to take her kids to school.
See the video posted to the KOLD CBS TV website in Phoenix today.
http://www.kold.com/Global/story.asp?S=7288669

[blurble]

Patent infringement

I do believe CARVER will sue their ***** off.

Not to mention, have you SEEN the pathetic state of US highways? People will be wrestling with their damn steering wheel trying to keep that center tire from slamming into those bowling ball gutters you can a road. That's why MOTORCYCLES choose one side of ONE lane to ride in. They don't ride down the center hump.

This isn't damn GERMANY, where they have perfectly flat SUPERIOR lanes and road technology. This is hicksville USA.

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Carver won't sue because they're licensing the technology. Here's a great vid on the Carver from Top Gear, a UK Car enthusiast. It's a hoot.

http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2007/02/01/carver-tilting-3-wheeler-video-from-top-gear/

Regarding safety, it's a motorcycle. Nuff said. Now because it most likely has seat belts, and you can't endo or 'lay it down' it makes it one of the safest motorcycles on the road. Of course anybody that says "safe" and "motorcycle" in the same sentence you should be suspicious of ;-)

That being said, I drove a Twike, a similar three-wheeled electric motorcycle back and forth to work each day for the last 9 months, including a most rigorous winter. I drop my 6 year old off at school in it as well as my 1.5 year old at daycare when my wife is out of town traveling for work (happens quite often). Most of the time at in-town speeds you're going 20, 30, 45 mph max.

That being said, it's a very lightweight vehicle, and if you get hit by an H1-2 OR 3, well, I did tell you it's a motorcycle, and you'll be better off in either the Twike or the Carver than a regular two-wheeled bike where you'll get thrown off.

If you're in central Illinois and want to go for a spin... www.illinois.edu/goto/twike

[RyleeROBERTS]

Hey I'm all for these kind of environmental friendly automobile. But the problem is that a half a tonne competing on the road/highways against other beast is a joke. Look at how high that thing is and larger vehicles are going to have problem seeing you. Let see what happen when you get into an accident. This vehicle would only be good for inner city or other country that's populated with people and vehicles. We even don't know if it has great <a href=http://www.racepages.com/parts/alternator.html>alternator accessories</a> to protect the driver from harm. You're going to have to end up buying a larger car anyhow to go with this. This thing is too small and have it limited use.

[RyleeROBERTS]

Hey I'm all for these kind of environmental friendly automobile. But the problem is that a half a tonne competing on the road/highways against other beast is a joke. Look at how high that thing is and larger vehicles are going to have problem seeing you. Let see what happen when you get into an accident. This vehicle would only be good for inner city or other country that's populated with people and vehicles. We even don't know if it has great [url=http://www.racepages.com/parts/alternator.html]alternator accessories[/url] to protect the driver from harm. You're going to have to end up buying a larger car anyhow to go with this. This thing is too small and have it limited use.

[Angelsilhouette]

I love the original vehicle they used as the base, the Carver, better. It was already a decently economical vehicle, so why shackle it with a eco-for-show/eco-for-profit petrol-electric hybrid engine and ruin the experience of driving it? A diesel would have given equivalent or better mileage city, superior mileage at highway speed, and better performance. If a real effort was going to be made for mileage and fuel conservation, why not make it diesel electric?

120mpg sounds a bit like PR witchcraft, especially when all of the heaviest parts of the vehicle all have to fit within that small rear compartment/nacelle. This will mean one of two things: either the fuel tank, engine, transmission, batteries and motor have to be shoehorned into it, or everything listed previously except the transmission. If used to drive the wheels at all, engine will be practically ineffectual; giving laughable power as a driving force considering the added weight of the additional electrical drive train.

Full electric, as nice as that sounds (and as mind blowingly cool as the Lightning GT is), is only an eco-smoke screen. The majority of electric power in the first world is still generated from fossil fuels (coal); and because there is more CO2 emission from those coal fired plants than from petrol powered personal transportation, going all electric feels like it will be a big step backwards for both modern society (no more road trips, since it will take around 8 hours to recharge your vehicle) and the environment.