Comments on: Are drivers ready for high-tech onslaught?

Next year will be a model year of change as high-tech features spread from luxury models to entire lineups. But how much tech is too much?
Images: Car tech for the masses

[rwmarejka]

"We don't want cars to drive themselves"

Is the sub-text here, "We don't want the legal liability of cars
driving themselves"? If the car's system did most of the driving,
including accident avoidance and then failed to perform properly,
due to say a software bug, then who would be liable for the
damages in any accident?

[shirsc2]

Bluetooth

I use a Bluetooth aftermarket car kit in my car and it is extremely useful. I knew it was only a matter of time that Bluetooth would become standard in automobiles. Most of my friends don't even know what Bluetooth really is yet. I usually point them to this site:

http://www.bluetomorrow.com

[nmcphers]

yea

I have a 2004 Nissan Maxima. As nice as it is it didn't come with features you can find on low end cars now like blue tooth and AUX jack. Two things I could really use.

[Crunchy Doodle]

I like that my car helps me drive

My 2004 Infiniti M45 has adaptive cruise control and braking assitance for imminent collisions. It uses front mounted lasar radar for both. I find it works fairly well and helps me drive my car more safely. The adaptive cruise control allows the car to apply 25% braking to slow more quickly than just zero throttle if it needs to. With the way some people drive here in Southern California, I have even experienced the proximity alarm going off when a car cut in close in front of me. I know if the car had control of this, it likely would have braked, but luckily, Nissan had the good sense to let me do the driving. These systems are helpful, and I can also see that in the hands of some of the ignorant savages I see driving around, are not for everybody. For them, a '74 Pinto is just right.

[duggerdm]

Other points.

I am a proponent of FLW's "form follows function." I'm not at all against appropriate new technology of any kind as long it solves more problems than it creates for the majority of its consumers. While the article implied it did not emphasize sufficiently - that current automated automotive driving technology is computer geek driven rather than auto consumer driven. Working backwards from consumer needs and desires has generally been a historic problem in the computer development industry (computer geeks see the consumer in their own image - rather than simple tool users) and now the same failed approach has infected the auto industry as digital technology becomes feasible for autos.

The other driving factor pushing the computer take over of driving is that the computer market has already demonstrated that computer (software and hardware) consumers will accept a product life of 1-3 years. You can see the auto execs salivating over a car that's dead or digitally obsolete in 2-3 years - or a chain of income producing mandatory software updates. Just can't wait to see this mess unfold.

[natebooh]

Adding toys would help the real problem!

Automotive manufacturers need to concentrate on getting vehicle efficient, reliable and longevity so the family use their meger wages for raising the children. Way too much money is being wasted on these throw away vehicles. So far one has achieved this. Now they think adding bells and whistles gizt and glitter will is the answer. Up scale is because the profits are higher for the management team, nothing about a quality product. Marketing does fine jobs of selling promises and so so products. All this is doing forcing more and more people to keep driving junk.
They keep re-inventing the automobile over and over,---keep the bean-counters out of engineering would help immensely.

[natebooh]

OOPS

WON'T

[mail man dave]

High-tech = high cost repair

I don't want high-tech features in my car because it eventually breaks. At that point I'm stuck with a high-cost repair or deal with a high-cost feature that no longer works. One situation drains the wallet, the other drains the attractiveness and emotional connection to the car. Both situations are highly frustrating. Give me analog or decades-proven technology! It works for a long, long time, is easy and inexpensive to fix/replace, and it just feels good when something keeps on working and working.

[FRE0]

Costly electronic repairs

Recently I had an electrical problem with my 2004 Mazda 3; it
made it impossible to turn off the headlights. It took several
days for the required replacement part to arrive so, until it did, I
had to carry a wrench to disconnect the battery every time I
parked. When the part arrived, it took a technecian 4 hours to
install it. Fortunately it was covered by warranty but, at
probably about $60 per hour, the labor alone would have cost
me about $240 had it not been covered by warranty. If the car
had been made before 1970, it could probably have been fixed
in less than 1/2 hour.

As cars become more complicated, repair costs can be expected
to increase dramatically. A repair that in the 1960s would have
taken perhaps half an hour to fix could take a day or more, and
the cost of parts required could be astronomical.

Although I'm not opposed to new technology in principal, we
have to be aware of the problems it causes. Repairs could
become so costly that an electronic failure on a 5 year old car
would be so expensive to fix that the car would be scrapped
even if mechanically it was in good condition and would provide
reliable transportation for another 10 years.

[vintagemxr]

Just wait

"If the car is in control, it will not break the traffic laws or...speed limits. And you will have an angry driver trying to say, 'But, I'm in a rush. I need to get there,'" he said. "

That is exactly what is planned down the road "for the good of the masses". The Brits are working on it now, tying GPS into mapping databases and the vehicle's operating systems. It's not even a technological issue anymore, merely a political one and the control freaks that run governments are salivating at the thought of being able to control and monitor people's driving habits.

[andysomo]

How about some usefull tech

Like electronically controlled valve operation, imagine how much
more power you could get without having a fixed cam profile.

Or electronically controlled intake runners. With a full electronic
valve cycle, you could also implement a variable Miller cycle
engine, which pulls less cylinder volume under light load, and
large amounts under heavy load. You could double power
output, and cut fuel consumption by half.

Stop wasting time and money developing useless gadgets, and
work on what matters, the power train.

[lingsun]

You have to wonder how reliable it will be.

I've always thought that if we had computer controlled cars they'd do things like refuse to make certain turns at certain intersections for absolutely no reason that anybody could figure out.

[ralfthedog]

Sleeping drivers.

As it is, many drivers wait more than a second after a light turns from red to green. If you make a car too easy to drive, people will and do fall asleep at the wheel. get rid of cruse control. If you want, the driver can set an audio alarm if the car goes above or below a set speed by more than 2 MPH, but the driver is the one that steps on or of the gas.

Make ABS breaking systems something that a driver can turn off. A skilled driver with good reflexes has better reactions than an ABS system. Sometimes an ABS system does what the driver does not want.

Encourage standard transmissions over automatics. A good driver has far more control of a standard. I can understand use of an automatic transmission if a person is disabled.

Limit the amount of power steering a car has (If you can't feel the road, you are not in control of your car.

It is a good thing for the car to provide more information to the driver. It is a very bad thing for the car to make decisions for the driver.

[willdryden]

Sleeping drivers.

Awe - come on. Who wouldn't want a car you could get into the bach seat and tell it to drive you home. It's just what is needed for those nihts when you've had too much to drink.

[angelfast]

Great!

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[ghostridermn1]

Computer-controlled plus Bluetooth Equals Hacked & Highway disasters

If a car was computer-controlled in a moderate way, like for brakes and accelerator,and if the BlueTooth (BT) WPAN communications gets also integrated also, and thereby linked through a series of circuits equals able to be hacked. For cars with that, with an operating system of sorts, the same system can be hacked by people with good BT hacking skills. There are people who will try to hack other people's cars just to see if they can, and some will do so, to be able to wreak havoc on others to be evil. With directional long-range antennas, a person can hack a BT-enabled phone from up to a mile away. If the BT-antenna was set in a car, and with a laptop in there too, a person could potentially remote control someone else's car to accelerate and brake on command or more. Lawyers and insurance companies would have a field day with all of these possibilities. Those are just a few of the worst possibilities of problems if BT was closer integrated with a car's computer systems.

[FRE0]

ABS

"Make ABS breaking systems something that a driver can turn
off. A skilled driver with good reflexes has better reactions than
an ABS system. Sometimes an ABS system does what the driver
does not want."

Good idea. And have 4 brake pedals, one for each brake, so that
the driver can control each brake as needed to prevent a wheel
from locking he way ABS does. The writer of the above post may
believe that he can do as well as the ABS computer, but I have no
such illusions about my ability.