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Comments on: Shell calls food crop biofuels 'morally inappropriate'

World's top marketer of biofuels says turning food into fuel--such as ethanol--is wrong as long as people are starving.

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OH ME GODT! Hypocrasy at its finest!
by shelby_sf July 6, 2006 10:33 AM PDT
Hi, My name is Hans and I am a funeral home director and feel that it is morally wrong to improve health care as it impacts my bottom line.....
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best comment thus far, you win today's cookie!
by jabbotts July 6, 2006 11:38 AM PDT
Short and too the point. If your comment was a program it'd be five lines of hacker quality code. But then, I firmly believe that when the bottom line shrinks far enough on fuels the energy companies will "suddenly" have discovered a novel solution that fits there prefered business model.
OH ME GODT! Hypocrasy at its finest!
by shelby_sf July 6, 2006 10:33 AM PDT
Hi, My name is Hans and I am a funeral home director and feel that it is morally wrong to improve health care as it impacts my bottom line.....
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best comment thus far, you win today's cookie!
by jabbotts July 6, 2006 11:38 AM PDT
Short and too the point. If your comment was a program it'd be five lines of hacker quality code. But then, I firmly believe that when the bottom line shrinks far enough on fuels the energy companies will "suddenly" have discovered a novel solution that fits there prefered business model.
Sense of morality?
by EmbSysPro July 6, 2006 10:52 AM PDT
Whether you agree with the reasoning for his comments or the fact that there are some corrupt régimes in poor countries that allow their populations to suffer, does it change the question of moral inappropriateness?

Should the thought of turning food into fuel when people are starving bother our own sense of morality?

Is the farmer that has to generate revenue by growing whatever crop he can for his way of life to survive demonstrating an act of immorality? Should we blame him?

Can it be morally inappropriate to do something, but still have to do it anyway?
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Pie In The SKY
by dburr13 July 6, 2006 11:01 AM PDT
The question remains...Who will "pay" the farmers to grow the corn that you want to give away for free?...Who will do that?...Has anyone ever offered to do that?...No!...It is yet more foolish pie in the sky at the expense of farmers and rural communities...This so called "morality" issue is yet more mis-direction and negative spin by the oil companies...Who are desperate to preserve the EXTREMELY profitable status quo.
Sense of morality?
by EmbSysPro July 6, 2006 10:52 AM PDT
Whether you agree with the reasoning for his comments or the fact that there are some corrupt régimes in poor countries that allow their populations to suffer, does it change the question of moral inappropriateness?

Should the thought of turning food into fuel when people are starving bother our own sense of morality?

Is the farmer that has to generate revenue by growing whatever crop he can for his way of life to survive demonstrating an act of immorality? Should we blame him?

Can it be morally inappropriate to do something, but still have to do it anyway?
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Pie In The SKY
by dburr13 July 6, 2006 11:01 AM PDT
The question remains...Who will "pay" the farmers to grow the corn that you want to give away for free?...Who will do that?...Has anyone ever offered to do that?...No!...It is yet more foolish pie in the sky at the expense of farmers and rural communities...This so called "morality" issue is yet more mis-direction and negative spin by the oil companies...Who are desperate to preserve the EXTREMELY profitable status quo.
I'll be starving soon
by gnotellaluvr July 6, 2006 11:04 AM PDT
Sure, at $3.50 a gallon I'll have to decide whether to eat or drive. So I will choose to work a week so I can drive then I will work the next week to eat, then it will be back to work so I can buy gas again. It sreally a vicious cycle.
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How about a bus?
by ramonklown July 7, 2006 4:28 AM PDT
If fuel is getting to a point where you can't afford anymore how about alternative transportation like buses? And before that how about finding a new job?
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I'll be starving soon
by gnotellaluvr July 6, 2006 11:04 AM PDT
Sure, at $3.50 a gallon I'll have to decide whether to eat or drive. So I will choose to work a week so I can drive then I will work the next week to eat, then it will be back to work so I can buy gas again. It sreally a vicious cycle.
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How about a bus?
by ramonklown July 7, 2006 4:28 AM PDT
If fuel is getting to a point where you can't afford anymore how about alternative transportation like buses? And before that how about finding a new job?
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Isn't killing Iraqis for oil immoral?
by SteveBarry687 July 6, 2006 11:24 AM PDT
Freaking insanity!!!
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Isn't killing Iraqis for oil immoral?
by Sir Limey July 6, 2006 11:40 AM PDT
Your missing the point again! Shell can not be held responsible for the war, they are responsible for keeping oil prices high thus causing food production/transportation costs to go sky high. This forces the poorer nations into the same old cycle of not being able to meet the rising costs and feed their people. If Shell wants to demonstrate morality, howabout shipping that food where it is needed for free??
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I like this guy's analysis
by blizzard23 July 6, 2006 12:45 PM PDT
Hmmm. Yes. So much analysis there and thoughtful comment.

</sarcasm>
What an idiot.
Just ignorant
by aabcdefghij987654321 July 6, 2006 1:23 PM PDT
If we're killing Iraqis for oil then where's the oil at?

Iraq's oil is exported to Europe (you know, the people who utterly failed to support us).
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Nice!
by GGGlen July 6, 2006 4:04 PM PDT
The reason the left leaning loonies keep losing election after
election, is that they can't let the facts get in the way of their
hate speech and freaky paranoia. If you had a clue, you'd realize
that the US maintained an EMBARGO on Iraqi oil. Do you know
what the word EMBARGO means? Please look it up, because what
the US did, was TO KEEP IRAQ FROM SELLING OIL for as long as
they were defying UN resolutions.
Last time I checked, it was Iraq that caused over 6 million deaths
in Iran, gassed its civilian population, did major environmental
damage by incinerating oil fields, invaded its neighbors borders,
and shot missiles at United Nations jets tasked with preventing
the genocide of the Kurds.
Wait... nevermind. It's people like you that frighten the middle of
the road voters towards the right with your mindless drivel.
Carry on.
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killing for oil?
by newcreation July 8, 2006 6:52 AM PDT
never been proven except nuts like michael moore that thinks we are...where is the proof?
Isn't killing Iraqis for oil immoral?
by SteveBarry687 July 6, 2006 11:24 AM PDT
Freaking insanity!!!
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Isn't killing Iraqis for oil immoral?
by Sir Limey July 6, 2006 11:40 AM PDT
Your missing the point again! Shell can not be held responsible for the war, they are responsible for keeping oil prices high thus causing food production/transportation costs to go sky high. This forces the poorer nations into the same old cycle of not being able to meet the rising costs and feed their people. If Shell wants to demonstrate morality, howabout shipping that food where it is needed for free??
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I like this guy's analysis
by blizzard23 July 6, 2006 12:45 PM PDT
Hmmm. Yes. So much analysis there and thoughtful comment.

</sarcasm>
What an idiot.
Just ignorant
by aabcdefghij987654321 July 6, 2006 1:23 PM PDT
If we're killing Iraqis for oil then where's the oil at?

Iraq's oil is exported to Europe (you know, the people who utterly failed to support us).
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Nice!
by GGGlen July 6, 2006 4:04 PM PDT
The reason the left leaning loonies keep losing election after
election, is that they can't let the facts get in the way of their
hate speech and freaky paranoia. If you had a clue, you'd realize
that the US maintained an EMBARGO on Iraqi oil. Do you know
what the word EMBARGO means? Please look it up, because what
the US did, was TO KEEP IRAQ FROM SELLING OIL for as long as
they were defying UN resolutions.
Last time I checked, it was Iraq that caused over 6 million deaths
in Iran, gassed its civilian population, did major environmental
damage by incinerating oil fields, invaded its neighbors borders,
and shot missiles at United Nations jets tasked with preventing
the genocide of the Kurds.
Wait... nevermind. It's people like you that frighten the middle of
the road voters towards the right with your mindless drivel.
Carry on.
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killing for oil?
by newcreation July 8, 2006 6:52 AM PDT
never been proven except nuts like michael moore that thinks we are...where is the proof?
Half the food grown is wasted anyway
by Marcus Westrup July 6, 2006 12:09 PM PDT
There is no need to grow crops just for fuel stock. Between damage from pests, mold, and the huge amount of chaff left over from harvests, (which many farmers would love to get rid of), there is More than enough biomass available to feed to industry.
All that's needed is a way to transport it: perhaps to a local farmers co-op to produce farm fuel, then sell the rest to the government.

Of course, Oil companies will never let that happen as long as Big Money can talk.
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Half the food grown is wasted anyway
by Marcus Westrup July 6, 2006 12:09 PM PDT
There is no need to grow crops just for fuel stock. Between damage from pests, mold, and the huge amount of chaff left over from harvests, (which many farmers would love to get rid of), there is More than enough biomass available to feed to industry.
All that's needed is a way to transport it: perhaps to a local farmers co-op to produce farm fuel, then sell the rest to the government.

Of course, Oil companies will never let that happen as long as Big Money can talk.
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Very Interesting circular arguement!
by heystoopid July 6, 2006 12:53 PM PDT
A very interesting circular argument, for sadly since over 60% of the worlds population is currently over eating itself to death quite literally!

Shell, is merely seeking to both close the door, to food production stabilization prices to realistic prices at the farm gate(Brazil has shown how it can be done with sugar cane) and simultaneously maintain the Oil monopolies control and domination of the market, at the expense of all else!

Oh well, to overlook all the correct facts and data, and merely mouth what is basically propaganda!, in the same identical style we are accustomed to from the likes of both MPAA and the RIAA these days, how very sad and low the mighty have fallen too!
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Very Interesting circular arguement!
by heystoopid July 6, 2006 12:53 PM PDT
A very interesting circular argument, for sadly since over 60% of the worlds population is currently over eating itself to death quite literally!

Shell, is merely seeking to both close the door, to food production stabilization prices to realistic prices at the farm gate(Brazil has shown how it can be done with sugar cane) and simultaneously maintain the Oil monopolies control and domination of the market, at the expense of all else!

Oh well, to overlook all the correct facts and data, and merely mouth what is basically propaganda!, in the same identical style we are accustomed to from the likes of both MPAA and the RIAA these days, how very sad and low the mighty have fallen too!
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Let them give up their record profits.
by MrHandle July 6, 2006 6:07 PM PDT
If Shell is so concerned about the poor and hungry, let them give back their record profits to these causes--lol. What an F'n joke.
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Let them give up their record profits.
by MrHandle July 6, 2006 6:07 PM PDT
If Shell is so concerned about the poor and hungry, let them give back their record profits to these causes--lol. What an F'n joke.
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The morality of burning food
by SumoPixel July 6, 2006 6:34 PM PDT
If the president of Shell Oil thinks its immoral to burn food then maybe he would agree that it would be OK to heavily tax the oil companies so that the government can ship all of our surplus grain to Africa!

There is currently a glut of grain production in the United States and the price of grain has not increased in many years. With the price of oil at historical highs, it is now economically feasible to convert grain to ethanol and profitably compete with the oil companies. Market economics, and not morality, will determine who the grain is allocated to and how it will be used.

If the president of Shell is opposed to allowing the free market to work for grain than he should not object to the government stepping in and redistributing the wealth of oil companies. You just can't have your cake and eat it too (unless you're trying to make an emotional appeal to the public to prevent an environmentally friendly competitor to oil from gaining a foothold).
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The morality of burning food
by SumoPixel July 6, 2006 6:34 PM PDT
If the president of Shell Oil thinks its immoral to burn food then maybe he would agree that it would be OK to heavily tax the oil companies so that the government can ship all of our surplus grain to Africa!

There is currently a glut of grain production in the United States and the price of grain has not increased in many years. With the price of oil at historical highs, it is now economically feasible to convert grain to ethanol and profitably compete with the oil companies. Market economics, and not morality, will determine who the grain is allocated to and how it will be used.

If the president of Shell is opposed to allowing the free market to work for grain than he should not object to the government stepping in and redistributing the wealth of oil companies. You just can't have your cake and eat it too (unless you're trying to make an emotional appeal to the public to prevent an environmentally friendly competitor to oil from gaining a foothold).
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Ha ha ha!
by cyberspittle July 6, 2006 7:11 PM PDT
Reminds me why I fill up at a Shell station. No, actually it doesn't. As long as it is immoral to use "food" for fuel as long as people are starving, I guess burning fossil fuels and polluting the environment while people are alive isn't.

OK. This is just too funny. When will Shell share the crack they are smoking? Hmmm, people starving isn't because a lack of food, it is usually a result of politics and people in power. Shell should look at the countries that they buy fuel from and see how they support starvation.

I am also wondering, if Shell is so concerned about starvation, what are they doing about it? Maybe they have some kind of "oil for food" program? Maybe Shell should go to Nigeria or some other oil producing country? Hmmm, with all those record profits, maybe these oil companies and oil producing countries can actually do some good? Probably not, as that requires fortitude and a backbone. How can oil execs make so much money and then turn around and make comments about starving people?

I'm just overwhelmed by this whole topic. Is this a real story?
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Ha ha ha!
by cyberspittle July 6, 2006 7:11 PM PDT
Reminds me why I fill up at a Shell station. No, actually it doesn't. As long as it is immoral to use "food" for fuel as long as people are starving, I guess burning fossil fuels and polluting the environment while people are alive isn't.

OK. This is just too funny. When will Shell share the crack they are smoking? Hmmm, people starving isn't because a lack of food, it is usually a result of politics and people in power. Shell should look at the countries that they buy fuel from and see how they support starvation.

I am also wondering, if Shell is so concerned about starvation, what are they doing about it? Maybe they have some kind of "oil for food" program? Maybe Shell should go to Nigeria or some other oil producing country? Hmmm, with all those record profits, maybe these oil companies and oil producing countries can actually do some good? Probably not, as that requires fortitude and a backbone. How can oil execs make so much money and then turn around and make comments about starving people?

I'm just overwhelmed by this whole topic. Is this a real story?
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Obvious Amoral Intent using a "Moral" Argument
by Thomas, David July 6, 2006 7:13 PM PDT
Come on folks. The SHELL OIL MAN tells you an alternative is bad,
then has the incredible gaul to even mention WOOD as an
alternative fuel?!

You have to be pretty damn ignorant, AND stupid to fall for this
crap.
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Obvious Amoral Intent using a "Moral" Argument
by Thomas, David July 6, 2006 7:13 PM PDT
Come on folks. The SHELL OIL MAN tells you an alternative is bad,
then has the incredible gaul to even mention WOOD as an
alternative fuel?!

You have to be pretty damn ignorant, AND stupid to fall for this
crap.
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