Comments on: Don't panic: Large Hadron Collider won't spawn voracious black holes

Scientists have presented some evidence the Large Hadron Collider, a massive physics experiment, won't produce mini black holes that could gobble up the Earth.

[Michichael]

I vote we remove warning labels from bottles, since these people, and their offspring, obviously know more than the experts on such things. Warning labels not to drink bleach or hold hot coffee on your genitals are obviously necessary because people like that cannot understand anything outside their comfort bubble.

[Vess_Goldmane]

so funny
i like the way you think
we should kill all the idiot who think we are all gonna die
give them what they want

[Pirargo]

That would be terribly unmoral and degrading to urself Vess. Kill them in an honest sword duel.

[Michichael]

Just let nature run it's course without warning labels.

[tam6231980]

I dont know why humans are trying to play god here, it makes ZREO sense that anyone would conduct an experiment that would risk the lives of everyone on Earth. In my opinion i would rather live my life wondering than kill mankind. damn Hawking couldnt keep his damn voicebox shut

[Michichael]

A better understanding of ones environment leads to better control over ones environment.

[Pirargo]

Wat point is there to life if you can't potentially destroy the world doing something stupid

[ejk5401]

They believe in theories as strongly as popes believe in God. Hmmm, heres a web link that logicaly desputes the big bang period.

http://search.msn.com/images/results.aspx?q=black+holes&FORM=BIRE#focal=9bef509fbdf6fff2c18dfc5dff6f46e2&furl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.biblelife.org%2Fbigbang-blackhole.gif

I found it looking at cool stuff but its a good read.

[Michichael]

Considering that that is a religiously sponsored article, I find it hard to believe it is unbiased. Further, the fact that the speed of light is actually slowing down, and red shift, etc all SUPPORT big bang theory. Please do some research and take a astrophysics course. Thanks.

[sacrastic_science_boy]

why cant scientist just leave everything alone it doesnt matter what we are made up with just leave everything alone
second if its going to desroy the Earth i have a little advice for you DONT DO THE FREAKING EXPIREMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! simple as that i dont know about you but i want to graduate before the world ends
finally if the big bang theroy isnt true then i will never trust science again

[Flt-Sgt-O-S]

Where have you read ur ***** which ur producing out of your mouth ... ok you have not read the evidence right we will not die ! get an IQ over 50 and please reply

[Dalkorian]

The sky is falling, the sky is falling!

My Gawd, the ignorance shown in these comments is appalling. Take a chill pill folks (it's the blue one), come Thursday you'll need your wits to find the next apocalyptic disaster to wipe us all out.

[JTankers]

Safety of the Large Hadron Collider is unknown, the experiment is unprecedented in nature and planetary risk has not been conclusively excluded.

The safety opposition alleges CERN is misrepresenting the certainty of safety and did not properly address[9] compelling opposition arguments by credible senior scientists including visiting professor of Physics Dr. Otto Rössler[1][2] and Physics PHD Dr. Rainer Plaga[3].

Planetary safety arguments include disputed cosmic ray arguments[1][2][3] and refuted Hawking Radiation[4][5].

Earlier in 2008 CERN acknowledged that if micro black holes were created[6] by head-on collissions in particle colliders some would travel too slowly to escape Earth while cosmic ray created stable micro black holes would not be stopped by Earth.[7] This safety argument flaw was as discovered by former Cosmic Ray Researcher, California Math Champion and Nuclear Safety Officer Walter L. Wagner.[8]

[1] wissensnavigator.com/documnets/OTTOROESSLERMINIBLACKHOLE.pdf Abraham-Solution to Schwarzschild Metric Implies That CERN Miniblack Holes Pose a Planetary Risk, Prof. Dr. Otto Rossler (2008)

[2] wissensnavigator.com/documents/spiritualottoeroessler.pdf A Rational and Moral and Spiritual Dilemma - Otto E. Rössler Safety Counter Arguments (2008)

[3] arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0808/0808.1415v1.pdf On the potential catastrophic risk from metastable quantum-black holes produced at particle colliders - Rainer Plaga Rebuttal (2008)

[4] xxx.lanl.gov/abs/gr-qc/0304042 Do black holes radiate?. Dr. Adam Helfer (2003)

[5] arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0607137, On the existence of black hole evaporationyet again, Prof. VA Belinski (2006)

[6] cerncourier.com/cws/article/cern/29199 The case for mini black holes, CERN Courier (2004)

[7] http://www.lhcconcerns.com/LHCConcerns/Forums/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=10 LHC Safety Assessment Group, LHC Safety Procedures, 16 Mar 2008

[8] lhcdefense.org/lhc_legal.php US Federal Lawsuit Filings - Walter L. Wagner (2008)

[9] ingentaconnect.com/content/bpl/risk/2006/00000026/00000001/art00006 Scientific Peer Review to Inform Regulatory Decision Making: A European Perspective (2006)

[mayancosmos]

Ask this? Where have we received the technology and abilities to construct such a device? We are eventually trying to be a God and things are going to blow up in our face. This collider experiment has the potential for disaster written all over it. I see no conceivable reason to activate this contraption and take unproven chances!!!

[Vess_Goldmane]

knowledge is its ownn reason
science is knowledge
therefore
you get the picture

[akhilez]

i have one thing to say to those nerds, go do ur tests where u can't harm no1 but u and if at the end when u're done u wanna share it with us then do it cuz i speak for a lot of people, prob the majority, we don't want ur crp when is unstable and if it can harm u can die but don't take me along with u and if u saying it won't harm but there is still a chance even if is very small then we should have full access to it with live cam and updated events, if that very small chance occurs then u'll be killing us all and for that we all should know exactly what is going on there, mundial sht, i swear to god if i ever c any of u scientists and i know u're in this thing, i'll beat ur self till i kill u or till some1 stop me cuz man, u guys don't ******* know for sure if gravity is the only thing black holes needs to reach a massive sides, u guys might be smarter than us but by that u're also curious 1000.... times more than any1, like many scientists that lost their life creating those ***]{ bombs cuz they didn't know for sure if it was safe, they thought they had everything in control but because they didn't know for sure, many lost their life, and for those who thing they would tell us something, u're wrong!!! curiousy is strong when u have knowledge and we are humans, we make mistake, all i can say is that ***]{ YOU and if hell exists i hope u burn in ******* hell for killing all those who i love, man don't mess with our famillies even if there are lil very lil lil tiny winy chances of fail, however, the truth is the chances of something going wrong are bigger than u actually thing, u guys know it but ur curiosity blinds u, and that freak of hawk is nothing more than a jerk and he got nothing to lose, he old, paralyzed and has no future what so ever, all he has is a big big and maybe the biggest curiosity any human can have and for all that, he doesn't care sht, he just wanna "know" there is nothing wrong with that but when u're messing with who i love(i'm talking behind every1 that supports me) then there is all wrong... please, if nothing happened, don't push it cuz it might, be rational, all u have logical theories which are unproved and all i/we have is logical theories which are unproved as well, the only dif is that OURS don't kill every singly life on earth, i don't care about anything else outside in the universe but US, so wake up and stop, please i'm crying and begging u, study the bible, study the ancient calendar, study the prophesy and study the "what if" the black whole that kills us really work, how long will it take and when could it destroy the earth in total, then with the into about the prophesy and ancient calendar u'll c they days match exact, is a destiny we can't chance;says "the bible", no it doesn't!!! so that means we have a chance!!! maybe god don't exist but if u're a good scientist u'll give it the benefit of doubt.. fu(|{!ng think about it like i did

[geezer_88]

........................................no

[Vess_Goldmane]

keep your ignorant profanities to yourself
you are disrupting the sanctity of the online forum

[mayancosmos]

Dalcorian....it isn't this week I'm concerned about, it's when they start pushing the the matter in the opposite directions and the collisions that will occur in the days to come....this collider is dealing with things that can put an end to the human race! There is just no sanity with the collider. This is simply a game of Russian Roulette!

[Vess_Goldmane]

in sweden

[karfiix]

40 billion project.. for what cause? to prove the big bang theory? at what cost? the risk is low but the consequence is high. if this project does the predicted by many superstitous people believe in.. this could be, the end... the results of mankind's ignorance.

[skillingssucks]

The only ignorance being exhibited here is from you...and your kind on this board. Go away, *********.

[igetom]

we r still alive !!!!! -.-

[weeblnbob]

Oh man, this is great! Serious scientists say nothing bad will happen, armchair scientists are panicking, and religiosos are freaking. I never believe anyone who is panicking so I'm left with serious scientists and religiosos. Serious scientists did the math and they're pretty sure they can get away with it. I don't think anyone really wants to get sucked into a black hole so I tend to agree with them. Any competent religioso would know the scripture and understand that G_d has plans to keep the Earth around for a good, long while yet. Keep contributing to your IRA, you might just need it.

[Vess_Goldmane]

i agree good point

[Think_Bank]

Perhaps our own universe was created in such a way. The Big Bang, the Big Shrink, is all occurring right now in milliseconds in a lab somewhere and when it's all over with He will turn to his fellow scientists and say "See? Nothing to worry about" Then the news will arrive that the experiment mistakenly vibrated at just the right resonant frequency to rip apart and destroy the DNA sequences needed by all alcohol producing yeast and beer was no more. Somehow beer has to come up ... Let's all enjoy one tomorrow evening and take a deep breath. And if I'm wrong, you will not be able to say "I told you so" and that leaves me a happy man.

[Vess_Goldmane]

hahha very funny
i like the way you think

[XFunc_CaRteR]

May I remind readers that statements like "if it were dangerous would stop it; therefore it can't be dangerous" are entirely circular logic. Read "The Tipping Point" where it is revealed that 34 people heard a shooting, and somebody died, because not one of them called the police because "we thought someone else was going to call the police".

So we're left with this fact: We don't know what will happen.

But we sure know that if a scientist is curious to find something out, then come hell or high water, or the deaths of thousands or millions... NOTHING is going to top them from finding out.

(I highly recommend you read "Cats Cradle" by Kurt Vonnegut.)

Remember what Oppenheimer said after the first Atom Bomb test: "I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds..."

This is arrogance of the most supreme kind.

[RickyNM]

It's human nature to be scared of the unknown. Therefore people are freaking out about this. If we all died would you even know that you died? No. So who cares?

[Vess_Goldmane]

it is human nature to venture ungaurded into the depths of the unknown aswell
do not underestimate our resourceful little race

[Scorpio1994]

Do not adjust your modem, do not adjust your monitor for when they turn on hadrons collidor the only black hole your going to see is in one of the circuit boards and it'll take them 6 weeks to trace the fault. Owhch that burnt my finger. lol
See yer all next week.

[palace20000]

'What we are looking at is a global community representing 10,000 people working in 500 universities in 80 countries, none of whom has the slightest worry about risks of this kind.

'Then we have a retired German chemist who has never published a paper in this field in his life, who has come up with this theory.

I don't think we have anything to worry about guys. I just hope that the experiment shows new and exciting things about the start of the univers and how God was behind it all :-) keep up the great debate

[stf-sgt-middleton]

AYE!
Do none of you see this as a chance to learn more about the universe?
If there was a huge chance of the destruction of the Earth, then they wouldn't do this.
The scientists aren't ignorant, you are.
If this happens, then it could lead to greater things.
You just don't like change.
UMMM. Get over it?
I'm 16, and I'm totally taking it in my stride.
Papers like the sun have scared my Sister S***less.
The world doesn't need negative people saying "What If?"
"We're gunna die"
Jees, get over it.
Stf.Sgt.Middleton

[Vess_Goldmane]

we should be friends
i am the same age
lets talk [e-mail]
but yeah i agree only the ignorant are scared
the rest of us are cautious
ill take it in my stride aswell
and if we all die we wont be there to know about it

[laura_xx]

i think that this thing is a load of crapp.
if there is just like .0001% chance of it destorying the earth they. . . .
SHOUDNT DO IT !
i mean how stupid could you get ?
like come on ?

[Vess_Goldmane]

there is 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 chance of this destroying the earth
how stupid can YOU get

[Mr-science]

Personally, I think that the word "crap" is spelt with one p, not two.
And anyway, do you really think that this Large Hadron Collider could destroy the Earth?
**** off you fool.
And by the way, I didn't get struck by lightning, win the lottery, or have passionate sex with Jessica Alba today, did I?

[thethiefofdarkness]

What's the deal with all the talk of the world ending?

Sure there may be a chance this little experiment just made a random sized blackhole and ended the world but so what? Everyone dies and then the universe goes chugging along.

Even if there was a sudden creation of a blackhole, we won't be feeling it anytime soon. The gravitational effects of a sudden blackhole would be too fast for us to react to, that nerve impulse that screams pain would never reach your brain before you and everyone else goes splat.

Besides, look at the odds. On the one end of the scale we discover whatever we set out to discover but then less than 90% of the world would know its significance. On the other hand, we all go splat. Then in the middle is a long stretch of zilch, zero, nothing happens. Even if all life on earth ends, the planets go puff, the solar system collapse, the milky way imploded and so on, its just a tiny-itsbitsy portion of the universe that happen on a tiny-itsbitsy scale on the galatic time line. It won't have more impact than universe snapping its fingers. It doesn't matter one way or the other so why worry about it?

Go along with your daily lives and let the ones who are paid for it sort themselves out. They can wee in their pants with all the excitement or despair but the average joe would not possibly be affected in his lifetime. (Which could potentially be very short)