Comments on: Don't panic: Large Hadron Collider won't spawn voracious black holes

Scientists have presented some evidence the Large Hadron Collider, a massive physics experiment, won't produce mini black holes that could gobble up the Earth.

[TJH1991]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_7598000/7598686.stm

read that

[SaneScienceOrg]

Like most people who compare the Trinity ABomb test to the LHC, you completely miss the point. The point isn't that the atmosphere did not ignite when the physicists threw the switch, it is that they thought it might and THEY DID IT ANYWAY!
Wake up!

Man's technology has exceeded his grasp. - 'The World is not Enough'
Zealous Nobel Prize hungry Physicists are racing each other and stopping at nothing to try to find the supposed 'Higgs Boson'(aka God) Particle, among others, and are risking nothing less than the annihilation of the Earth and all Life in endless experiments hoping to prove a theory when urgent tangible problems face the planet. The European Organization for Nuclear Research(CERN) new Large Hadron Collider(LHC) is the world's most powerful atom smasher that will soon be firing subatomic particles at each other at nearly the speed of light to create Miniature Big Bangs producing Micro Black Holes, Strangelets and other potentially cataclysmic phenomena.
Particle physicists have run out of ideas and are at a dead end forcing them to take reckless chances with more and more powerful and costly machines to create new and never-seen-before, unstable and unknown matter while Astrophysicists, on the other hand, are advancing science and knowledge on a daily basis making new discoveries in these same areas by observing the universe, not experimenting with it and with your life.
The LHC is a dangerous gamble as CERN physicist Alvaro De Rújula in the BBC LHC documentary, 'The Six Billion Dollar Experiment', incredibly admits quote, "Will we find the Higgs particle at the LHC? That, of course, is the question. And the answer is, science is what we do when we don't know what we're doing." And CERN spokesmodel Brian Cox follows with this stunning quote, "the LHC is certainly, by far, the biggest jump into the unknown."
The CERN-LHC website Mainpage itself states: "There are many theories as to what will result from these collisions,..." Again, this is because they truly don't know what's going to happen. They are experimenting with forces they don't understand to obtain results they can't comprehend. If you think like most people do that 'They must know what they're doing' you could not be more wrong. Some people think similarly about medical Dr.s but consider this by way of comparison and example from JAMA: "A recent Institute of Medicine report quoted rates estimating that medical errors kill between 44,000 and 98,000 people a year in US hospitals." The second part of the CERN quote reads "...but what's for sure is that a brave new world of physics will emerge from the new accelerator,..." A molecularly changed or Black Hole consumed Lifeless World? The end of the quote reads "...as knowledge in particle physics goes on to describe the workings of the Universe." These experiments to date have so far produced infinitely more questions than answers but there isn't a particle physicist alive who wouldn't gladly trade his life to glimpse the "God particle", and sacrifice the rest of us with him. Reason and common sense will tell you that the risks far outweigh any potential(as CERN physicists themselves say) benefits.
This quote from National Geographic exactly sums this "science" up: "That's the essence of experimental particle physics: You smash stuff together and see what other stuff comes out."
Find out more about that "stuff" below;
http://www.SaneScience.org/
http://www.LHCFacts.org
http://www.risk-evaluation-forum.org/anon1.htm
http://www.lhcdefense.org/
http://www.lhcconcerns.com
Popular Mechanics - "World's Biggest Science Project Aims to Unlock 'God Particle'" - http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/extreme_machines/4216588.html"

[L0VECRAFT]

lolwut?

[baltimorebabe]

I agree- it's just nuts. And I also think it's evil. The whole thing is negative and they could be spending the money on making earth a better place to live for all of us instead of these "bad boy experiments".

Maybe it will produce a very small black hole, just big enough to suck in DrBradD.

[skillingssucks]

Right on. I'm all for that. Perhaps it can take SaneScienceOrg and a few others too?

[baltimorebabe]

Good thought.

[billybojangels]

WE?RE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!!!!!!!!!

[horiat]

Think to the children!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[tellllmee]

so are we all going to get sucked in or not?i really dont understand?or are you guys not sure either

what if, this experiment revealed how gravity is really controlled, and we were then able to deflect an asteroid headed directly for earth, that absolutely would end life as we know it. How would you feel about it then? The possibility of such and asteriod hitting the earth is much greater than this experiment creating a black hole that will swallow us up. Remember, FEAR is the Mind Killer...

[ejk5401]

then stick a bullet in a revolver and give it a spin,... yer a daisy if ya do! ;)

[L0VECRAFT]

Yes, Panic now people! Panic, for the end times are upon us!

Kiss your loved ones, pet your puppies, and unplug the microwave now!

Fill up your bathtubs (but not with DHMO,) and stock up on duct tape and aluminum foil now !

Double post your Panic, now!

Not with a bang, but a whimper....

[Vess_Goldmane]

hahahaha DHMO (water dihydrogen monoxide)
but really you are an idiot this WILL NOT destroy the world
any black hole this creates will be so miniscule that it would not suck in a passing insect(if that insect could get into the collider).

[Pirargo]

It isn't going to destroy the world. But go ahead and stock up on duct tape because clothes are expensive and you can make clothes out of duct tape besides a bunch of other cool things.

[AmyMichelle08]

I Eint Being funy im only 14 , i have a boyfriend that iv been with for 8 months now and i really do want to stay with him but some ******** have to do this ******** experiment to se what happend in the big bang the wipe the dinosaus out , Well all i can say is give them a round of apluasss coz were gana ***** DIE !!!
i have my whole life ahead of me a baby sister that is 4 months and i wana look after and watch her grow up , and i really dont want them to do this , the thing is my worst fear is my own death and my fear has always been what if the world ends ever since i was 7 years old , and i dont no what to belive i dont want to die in my sleep coz we wont no whats going on the good thing is that we wont feel it and i dont thinks its gana happen as that 16 year old said , hes got a good point , the problem is i dont want to die at 14 :(
feel free to reply to me and make me feel better :L

[htareen]

Your an idiot. Don't worry just because you dont understand how to spell, let alone grasp particle physics, doesn' t mean that you will die. At least not yet anyways. You'll probably be old living in a trailer park with a bunch of kids. idiots bread idiots. Get off technology sites.

[Michichael]

... The big bang didn't kill the dinosaurs. Please, let those who are far more educated deal with matters that you do not understand.

[geezer_88]

Excuse me???? I eint bein funy but how did you manage to compile enough brain power to even turn your computer on, let alone leave a 'comment' on an article regarding Particel physics?

[thethiefofdarkness]

Whats with all the negative comments? Sure some 14 year old girl (Or guy) found her way into an article on quantem physics and then everyone starts bashing on her. See the bigger problem? But back to buisness.

Don't worry about dieing, if they really **** up and made a blackhole, the gravitational effects (Or Splat! in human terms) will happen so fast you won't have time to react to it. You and everyone else will most likely never realise that you're dead and then the universe goes on abit with a new blackhole where earth was.

And work on your spelling, there are more people on the internet that hates bad english than there are who hate racism. Its just the nature of things.

[Vess_Goldmane]

you will not die
im sorry
this experiment may create a black hole but it will be immesurably samll and fizzle out before it consumes anything.
please say nothing about things you know nothing about.
the collider is perfectly safe.

[horiat]

"... The big bang didn't kill the dinosaurs. Please, let those who are far more educated deal with matters that you do not understand."

You just sit there and die if you have to!

"...will happen so fast you won't have time to react to it."

Whell, actually, the time will go slower and slower near the black hole, that you'll have your entire life to realize that you are going to die, and in fact you will die naturaly (and treible distorted) long before going in the black hole. It's the Einstain theory...

[Michichael]

Horiat,

Time distortion is a product of gravity, not a black hole. Our own sun has it. It will be better for everyone if you just stop commenting on things you don't understand.

[wjb12]

You know, you guys don't really know too much about physics yourselves, either. Let's see....read about it in Wikipedia doesn't equal have done the calculations about these things for years and years. So get off your high horses and calm the hell down.

Also if you are going to criticize someone based on their spelling, you guys might want to be able to spell things correctly, or at least have some semblance of grammar.

Here is how you spell things.
Quantum not Quantem
Particle not Particel
ain't not eint
You're not your.

So maybe you guys shouldn't be talking about thing you don't know about either, just a thought.

[ryuko098]

I'm gonna go slam back a pint tonight and sit outside and wave my towel, hoping for a ride off this rock... :p

[Pirargo]

dont forget ur 24-pack

[KaelitioN]

hope you can tolerate poetry

[welldonem8]

dont panic? you havin a giggle? i just found out about this from a friend traveling in the us. Nice to know that the scientist asked us first before the high possiblity that it MIGHT create black holes which MIGHT chew up everything in its way including our lil planet and everything in it. Truth is these WAN*ERS dont know whats going to happen mainly because this is their TRIAL run. Cheers.

Moon landing? Errrr Goverment conspiracy much?

God will save us all? Believe that when I see it?


Like to remind most of you putting your faith in 'Most Renowned Scientists', one day long long ago THE MOST RENOWNED SCIENTISTS IN THE WORLD thought the earth was flat. Anyone see where im going with this?

All im saying is that if there is even the TINIEST of chance of creating something which will HARM anyone just to find out some info about the big ole world we sit in, wouldnt it be nice for a ''You guys alright if we go ahead with this?'

I think someone out there is actually pointing at us and saying .. 'Curiosity killed the cat' ..

i leave my rant with...

Cheers mate, if this does go bad im going to spend my last days on earth thinking about how much of an inconsiderate pr*k you are.

[shroom567]

scientists in the old times were also mostly very religious (religion gives you brain tumours) and they didnt have the backgroound knowlage or resources and training modern day scientists have. these scientist have been in the educational system for years on end.probaly a couple of decades of pure education. they all have a masters in pysics and know a little bit more about psyics and hadron colliders than me, you or the general public. so a "can we go threw with this" type deal went on, people who knew **** all about psyics would say no because of fear and paranioa. we need to know about our world if we want to carry on living and face futre problems. transplants were risky and people died from experiments of transplants. but for every one person who died, hundreds have been saved.
nothing is 100% risk free, you could drown having a shower. if you want something to worry about then worry about that.
im 16 and i believe i have just given the most logical annswer out of all you fools, minus a few good answers.

[L0VECRAFT]

No I don't see where you are going with your faulty logic.
In fact, your premise is wrong.
There have never been a group of "most renowned scientists" who thought the world was flat.
In fact, true scientists have realized that the Earth was a globe since pre-biblical times.

Also,
You like to call people bad names with * in the middle?
I think there is someone out there pointing at you and saying..."Why did it have to survive outside the womb?"

[Vess_Goldmane]

nice point
i dont agree with you but
nice point

[shadow_circle]

all i have to say is that...
you've got more than 6 000 000 000 lives in your hands

[Vess_Goldmane]

it WILL NOT create a black hole big enough to destroy anything let alone our world

[shroom567]

scientists in the old times were also mostly very religious (religion gives you brain tumours) and they didnt have the backgroound knowlage or resources and training modern day scientists have. these scientist have been in the educational system for years on end.probaly a couple of decades of pure education. they all have a masters in pysics and know a little bit more about psyics and hadron colliders than me, you or the general public. so a "can we go threw with this" type deal went on, people who knew **** all about psyics would say no because of fear and paranioa. we need to know about our world if we want to carry on living and face futre problems. transplants were risky and people died from experiments of transplants. but for every one person who died, hundreds have been saved.
nothing is 100% risk free, you could drown having a shower. if you want something to worry about then worry about that.
im 16 and i believe i have just given the most logical annswer out of all you fools, minus a few good answers.

[ejk5401]

A supernova has an escape velocity less than the speed of light. Therefore, light is emitted from a supernova and matter is blasted away at a velocity greater than the escape velocity. A black hole has greater mass than a supernova. Light and matter cannot escape from a black hole because the velocity required to escape the large gravitational field is greater than the speed of light, but light and matter cannot travel greater than the speed of light. A black hole cannot explode for this reason. All matter and light that is drawn into a black hole will remain there forever.

[Michichael]

Ejk - you're saying a supernova with a mass of M, undergoes an explosive reaction which converts 1/3 of the mass to heat and light, flinging another 1/3 of the mass away at high velocities, creates a black hole who's mass is > M?

Let's see... M - 1/3M - 1/3M = 1/3M.

Nope. Further, gravity isn't how a black hole operates. That was an outdated and disproved theory. Thanks though.

[jhspencer1]

it's not the black hole you gotta worry bout, its the fusion, it's when the atoms hit each other at nearly the speed of light and then they atom bomb off, this won't be very big but these could fusion off were they set off another atom to explode and so on, so they will keep on setting off atoms exploding until then there is that many it won't stop until the earth is a sun.
there is like 2% THIS WILL HAPPEN SO NO WORRIES :D

[Michichael]

Spencer, at most you're looking at 600 MJ of energy assuming they're accelerating particles with 3.33564095 micrograms of mass. They'll probably be accelerating even smaller particles. Please. Stop.

To put it into perspective...

The work done to produce power of one watt continuously for one second; or one watt second (compare kilowatt hour), with the symbol W·s. Thus a kilowatt hour is 3,600,000 joules or 3.6 megajoules

You're looking at roughly 167 kilowatt hours of energy.

To put that into perspective, a thermal power plant produces 300 MEGAWATTS of energy at any given time. They sell for ~ 13 cents a kilowatt.

So to conclude... they're going to be putting more electrical energy into the LHC than will be produced by the collision of particles. Stop. Worrying.

[Vess_Goldmane]

but what you are describing can only happen wih radioactive materials like U235 so it is not even 2%
unless they made the LHC out of U235.

[Michichael]

Vess, that's fission.

Fusion takes two low mass particles and merges them into a heavier one, such as two of the isotopes of hydrogen - Deuterium and Tritium, and merges them into helium, releasing energy.

[omg250]

Here's what i should tell people.
Bye, obviously, we're all going to die, and all because we want to know the things that we're not suppose to.
Some things are better off unknown.
[CNET editors' note: offensive material deleted.]

[L0VECRAFT]

Goodness Gracious, Great Balls of Fire!!!

[Pirargo]

LOL. Great BIG Balls of Fire. CONSUMING EVERYTHING!! (sic)

[clamenza]

If you're from outside the USA, please ignore all the scientifically illiterate comments. Sorry, Americans are this stupid. We have people who have no idea what black holes are and others bringing up God and such. Yes, it's pathetic and hopeless. Please continue on with civilization and try not to follow us. Thanks.

[skillingssucks]

Hear, hear.

[geezer_88]

hahahaha, will do

[Vess_Goldmane]

thank you
new evangelist americans are so annoying
god has no place in this forum
please do not regard yourself as one of them
you are exempt from your previous americanism

[Pirargo]

Im american. *puppy dog face*

[Michichael]

The intelligent American citizens apologize for our countrymen. We're outnumbered and the political process favors the majority here, not the intelligent.

[welldonem8]

you cant actually say that all because scientists are a lil more educated they're most probably right?

that to be honest is alot of sh*t.

and how are they sure of this 2% chance? have they done this before? oh wait but im sure they've done computer experiments and it went fine, because of course computers are never wrong. (please pick up the sarcasm in the past sentance).

truth is all these big guns that make the decisions dont see the rest of us as inteligent, as being able to make a decision due to the fact that we arnt trained in physics, even tho pretty sure they passed it passed people who had about the same knollege on the subject as most of us.

yes it is most probable that if asked most of us would say hell no to the 2% chance we could be sucked into an abiss but still its everyones decision to make and its unfair to take our rights away from us.

Science is mostly a theory being tried and tested trying to lead towards a truth.

Its like the atom bomb. Didnt really need it, wasnt asked if any of us wanted to create something that could destroy us all but all because of power and science we have it. Cheers again.

Just saying thats 2% chance is still a chance, and even if this 98% goes well, we risked the 2% for some scientist somewhere to know just a tiny bit more about the universe. Bit ****ING selfish if you ask me.

[Vess_Goldmane]

you are an idiot and they do have degrees and it makes them more knoledgable on the subject than you. therefore they are more qualified to make decisions than the public no matter how ambitious or irresponsible they are

[Brandon2709]

Hi My name NOOB well i was just getting ready to travel to america to buy a mansion and a ford mustang GT so what i might do is buy a rocket imported and run away with my house and ford mustang GT

[welldonem8]

p.s. the earth has been destroyed by a metor collision 6 times already aprently, so if it happens again maybe its supose to happen, how about we put all our energy into time travel? or space travel? that might be fun, love to see some kinda picard moment before i die.

[Vess_Goldmane]

i agree