Comments on: Cities take lead in climate change

London, New York, Chicago, and Toronto cast wide net in local response to global warming, touching on efficient buildings, distributed generation, water, and waste.

[vagreville]

What "climate change"? Can someone please tell me what change this is referring to? As far as the data goes the average temperature has not changed in the last ten years and before that we've seen a change of only one degree C. This is a crisis? Yes, a politically motivated, manufactured one that is!

[feedbackname]

Dear "vagreville"... some people think the holocaust didn't happen either. You seem engaged with green issues, please research a bit more and just feel good about what side you want to be on. I guess keep in mind that anything we can do as a people to better our world is not worth pushing against.

[thelemurking]

Where I live, it used to snow all the time during the winter. The last few years, we have had 60-70° temps through out December. 20 years ago we would have been building snowmen, now, we are wearing shorts and playing tennis. If that's not climate change, care to tell me what is going on?

[vagreville]

Yes, Dear "Feedbackname" and thelemurking. I can tell you whats going on. Its called cyclical weather! The earth is always changing! In 1973 scientists thought we were on the verge of global cooling! The idea was floated of actually melting the polar ice caps to, wait for it, warm the earth! Do your homework, and really look into the real data instead of swallowing the propaganda of Al Gore and his ilk.

[googoobaby7]

What the heck are you thinking.
Just GO! to the wikipedia pollution website.
People have seen rising sea levels, rising heat, more polluted water, more smog, more asthma, more HURRICANES.

[suyts]

Lol, some of the quotes here are priceless. "We are already feeling the impacts of climate change," with higher levels of precipitation and higher temperatures, she said. "If a category 3 hurricane hit New York, it's catastrophic."
Uhmm, a cat3 hurricane would always be catastrophic in NYC. Fortunately, the massive increase in hurricanes that have been predicted hasn't happened. While I know New York is experiencing some unusually warm weather, the earth is cooling and has been for a year and 1/2. We are now cooler than we were in 1980. Clearly, this shows that CO2 IS NOT the primary factor in climate change. Further, CO2 is credited to be the cause of an increase in the earth's vegetation.
http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/06/08/surprise-earths-biosphere-is-booming-co2-the-cause/
While everyone should be engaged in energy conservation, we should do it with a little reality interjected. For instance, all the funding(taxes) won't stop the sun from causing cycles of warming or cooling. I would submit, that people like Jessup are the ones that "just don't get it,"

[googoobaby7]

Co2 Is wrecking this planet.

[C_G_K]

Yeah, while they're at it, maybe governments should spend trillions of taxpayer dollars removing bogeymen from the closets of children around the world. Makes about as much sense as fighting "climate change". Climate always has changed and always will change, regardless of what we do. This is just another excuse for governments to micromanage everything you do, and make a killing doing it, at your expense of course.

Are there any software engineers here who actually believe climate can be accurately modeled using computer software? Saying models can predict climate 100 years into the future is the biggest load of bull I've heard in my lifetime.

[mark1214]

Right on brother. The computer modeling they use is flawed so do they expect their results to be any better?

[Jonah Johansen]

"..removing bogeymen from the closets of children.."
LOL You win prize for best analogy to the climate change hysteria" I was in Alaska last week the local environmentalists were pushing seminars on how to convert your current car to battery power.
It takes a certain level of stupidity for people in Alaska to be paranoid about a bit of warming.

[thelemurking]

Is Apple still suing NYC over that green apple logo?

[mark1214]

Unfortunately cities are run by politicians that are all scurrying to initiate "change" w/o bothering to check with real scientists. They are like Don Quixote. They think they are battling dragons when in fact they are fighting windmills or paper dragons. There are very real conservation issues, but global warming is NOT one of them. Please see www.icecap.us for information from real scientists, not failed politicians.

The recent ocean temperature survey covering the past 5 years showed no change in ocean temps. When the surprised researchers checked their data again they got the same result. The earth's climate does change-naturally-like it has for thousands of years.

[ToddWBeaver]

Fools who live in these cities obviously have too much money or else they wouldn't give it away to fight a non-existent problem. Why don't the spend the money to stop the tide from coming in, too?

[drtyrell]

Global Warming is a Hoax people. It's designed to destroy all first world countries with Carbon Credits that we'll have to buy from China and India who do NOT have to use their credits to manufacture products. The elite will also exterminate all of Africa who WILL have to use their credits. The Elite are preventing all African countries and Middle Eastern countries from achieving nuclear power so that when it comes time to pay for "Carbon Credits" they will be broke over night at $65/ton of coal burned.

SCIENTIFIC WAKEUP CALL: Carbon comprises .054% of the greenhouse gases and does NOTHING to raise temperature. Water is the #1 source of all heating. The world is a perfect machine that will never lose control of itself.

Stop the insane knee-jerk belief in science that no climatologist believes. Al Gore is NOT a scientist. NO computer can predict the weather tomorrow let alone years from now. You're all being duped like rats in a cage.

WAKE UP.

[googoobaby7]

YOU WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[earth080808]

Hoax or truth, we should be responsible for the habitat we live in.
We should take every single action with careful thought on Earth.
Value your time on Earth, pledge for Climate Change.
Make your pledge here http://earth.080808.com.my?act=pledgeMake

[eredux]

Check out this Interactive US Energy Footprint Chart, an interactive United States Energy Consumption Footprint chart, illustrating Greenest States and more. This site has all sorts of stats on individual State energy consumptions, demographics and State energy offices.

http://www.eredux.com/states/

[cybervigilante]

If there is no global warming, why are both icecaps melting? Is someone up there throwing a lot of salt on them ;')

Looks like all the procorporate loonies and liars visited today. All we need is more oil wars and more energy consumption.

[vagreville]

Wow, another knee-jerk response from someone who has obviously never done any real homework on this issue. The earth HAS warmed. That is a fact that has been agreed upon. And the amount of warming is? Do you know? 0.74 degrees Celsius over the last 100 years. And again, there has been no change in the last 10 years, but I digress. What is not agreed upon however is the cause of this slight increase. As for the ice melting at the poles; the ice is always melting! It melts, it snows, it freezes, and it constantly changes. But is it melting faster than new ice is being added? The latest evidence says no. As for loonies and liars, it looks as if only you fall into that category. Please refrain from name calling when you have nothing of real value to add to the discussion.

[drtyrell]

Guess what? Ice melts! It's been melting ever since the Earth started freezing. It's a natural cycle that you are being told is a "global warming" threat. The ice CLOSER to the poles right now are less than 150 years old. We aren't even done melting up to the point of the mid-1800s. Stop fearing information you don't research.

[googoobaby7]

You are so right.

[rallybird]

Some silly reactionary comments here. Why not make some positive changes to conserve energy and resources for our future generations to enjoy? whatever belief or religion motivates you (or doesn't), it just makes sense to reign in the consumption a bit.

[drtyrell]

Agreed. We should take care of our air and water, but we shouldn't worry about using energy.

[SallanFoundation]

2008 will be a landmark year in American politics, but not for federal climate legislation. The springtime follies in the Senate meant we?ll be waiting until next year, or perhaps the year after for any comprehensive national law. Until then, cities will remain the leaders and the laboratories in fighting climate change. From this ferment from below, progress will be made and some errors too and we will have the chance to learn how much it costs to become more energy efficient and cut our carbon footprint. If we seize this opportunity, we would get real time, real world numbers on both the cost of energy and the cost of using less of it and this information could be deployed as a front line tool in the local and the national policy arenas. In this precise way, local learning by doing could squelch the paralyzing mantra of climate protection versus economic growth and the savage attacks of politicians like Oklahoma Senator James Inhof who protest that climate legislation is a ?tax on the poor?, and the biggest government burden since FDR?s New Deal.

[se.rev]

solar electrical energy can produce gasses if a stoichmetric hydrogen or other combination type pop can fill a compressor tank instantly to power a pnewmatic drive system ,which im pretty sure run cold and release water vapour as air tools do, in the distant future we might beget global cooling ..great for traffic in warmer areas..get the guys at the lab on it

[se.rev]

maybe large forests would keep the earth cooler and break or slowdown the winds and we could make some more of them some how instead of ripping them out .

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[googoobaby7]

Everybody Stop.
THERE IS GLOBAL WARMING AND POLLUTION.
WAKE UP.